1/6 Hot Toys - BvS: Dawn of Justice - Batman

[dominishin]

Civil war actually had people talking. The sides had legitimate reasons for opposing each other.

BVS? Supes is fighting Batman not on ideological differences but because he wasn't able to explain his MARTHA.

Also 12 heroes and still, they managed to give them all more heart than the 3 mutes in BVS.

Even if CW wasn't great, way better than this pretentious nonsense.

 

[SilverStar17]

I personally enjoyed both films immensely. I felt the message conveyed, undertones and themes in both were very similar, albeit done in different styles, which I like. I don't feel the need nor urge to compare the two.

 

[jespernicolaj]

He absolutely did, firing that tow cable into the car he plowed into just moments before to turn it into a vehicular morning-star to use against the other vehicles, and then using the gun on the front of his car to totally decimate that SUV with the mini gun, and then literally decapitating a guy with his front fender, and then blowing up those trucks with the Batplane, lighting KGBeast up with that machine gun, and you know what? It was beautiful. It was ugly, but, for the purposes of the story, I thought it was beautiful, because I see this as a redemption story for a Batman who's basically become so disillusioned by his experiences that he's forgotten his true purpose.

There's a line in "Under the Red Hood" where Jason asks Batman why he wouldn't just kill the Joker, and Batman talks about crossing that line would basically mean unleashing the monster inside and not being able to come back, and I feel like that's where this movie picks up. With Batman, after he's lost sight of that line. I know it pissed a bunch of people off, but I feel like it goes a great deal toward humanizing Batman. He's the king of deus ex machina; in the current comics, he's literally the God of Knowledge (I **** you not), and people always say that what makes Batman so great is that he's human, and that makes him relatable, except that he's really not. He's always portrayed as morally incorruptible and completely infallible, and, as we've heard, time and again, "to err is human."

I think that this story is as much about Batman's redemption as it is about Superman's, and it just works for me.

 

[Gipetto0812]

We agree- CW was good but really not that good as the critics etc are pounding it out...oh well BvS was just a blip on their collective screens but I was far more drawn into it and was on the edge of my seat for the entire film while CW was the same old going through the motions hyper-action and meeting around a table brooding about each other....

That's what my buddy and I were saying...same old same old. Not to say there weren't great parts b/c there were. I just really thought it was going to be THE superhero movie of the year. Even as much as I loved BvS, I thought CW was going to beat it honestly and for me, it didn't.

I was underwhelmed by Civil War as well... still so damn torn over it.

I finally just watched BvS and LOVED it! I didn't see Batman straight up kill anyone deliberately though, so not understanding why people are calling him a ruthless killer?

probably can't stand the fact Affleck was fantastic as Batman...looking to nit pick the movie to make MCU movies look better( which they don't)

we are def. on the same page Spindrift we walked out of the theater and were like "ppl are still going to give this rave review JUST b/c it's Marvel Studios and Marvel can do no wrong.

 

[Tourist]

BVS? Supes is fighting Batman not on ideological differences but because he wasn't able to explain his MARTHA.

This doesn't even make sense.

 

[Starscream Soundwave]

I personally enjoyed both films immensely. I felt the message conveyed, undertones and themes in both were very similar, albeit done in different styles, which I like. I don't feel the need nor urge to compare the two.

Given they're so similar, comparison is inevitable.

 

[dominishin]

This doesn't even make sense.

yeah it doesn't. don't know what they were thinking.

if you meant what I said doesn't make sense, I'm not sure what's going over your head. Supes is fighting Batman because Lex has Martha and he had to either kill or convince batman. Which is not about any ideological difference between the two.

I mean... if you can't decipher what I just said, I don't know how you can decipher this movie's intentions. It's even more vague.

 

[Starscream Soundwave]

That's what my buddy and I were saying...same old same old. Not to say there weren't great parts b/c there were. I just really thought it was going to be THE superhero movie of the year. Even as much as I loved BvS, I thought CW was going to beat it honestly and for me, it didn't.



we are def. on the same page Spindrift we walked out of the theater and were like "ppl are still going to give this rave review JUST b/c it's Marvel Studios and Marvel can do no wrong.

Come on, I doubt you're going to meet anyone who's going to try to tell you that Thor 2, Iron Man 2, etc are good films.

 

[boylost99]

Supes fighting batman was because he had no choice and he didnt even want to fight him. Supes ideology was how could the world allow a batman without rules when they questioned him and all the good he did. Batman feared supes so he had to destroy him. He did not yet see superman as a human but as some alien without emotion, humanity and questioned his motives.

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[SilverStar17]

Given they're so similar, comparison is inevitable.

Of course. Also given they were released so close to one another.

I personally don't feel the need to though because one is a DCEU film and one is a MCU film. They have different styles and I don't feel one needs to be more like the other in areas and vice versa.

Supes fighting batman was because he had no choice and he didnt even want to fight him. Supes ideology was how could the world allow a batman without rules when they questioned him and all the good he did. Batman feared supes so he had to destroy him. He did not yet see superman as a human but as some alien without emotion, humanity and questioned his motives.

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My sentiments as well.

we are def. on the same page Spindrift we walked out of the theater and were like "ppl are still going to give this rave review JUST b/c it's Marvel Studios and Marvel can do no wrong.

I agree with this. The only part I disagree on is that I think CW was indeed a great film and lived up to the hype. However, the thing is I can't say I enjoyed it more than BvS because I enjoyed both equally as much. They are films in two different cinematic universes and therefore, have two uniquely different styles, which I like.

As I've stated before, just from what I've observed, while there are no doubt DC fanboys who have blind loyalty, I've noticed there seems to be more DC fans who also enjoy Marvel and can simply enjoy both for what they are while conversely, there seems to be more Marvel fans who are seemingly more partisan to Marvel and disparage anything that DC does just to make Marvel look better.

 

[Gipetto0812]

Civil war actually had people talking. The sides had legitimate reasons for opposing each other.

Spoiler

B/c some random lady telling Stark her son died is enough to make him see the error of his ways? sure

And maybe the airport seen is legit but the final fight? Tony Stark crying b/c WS killed his mom and dad? boo hoo

Not saying that BvS had a great reason to fight but I don't think Cap and IM did either.

 

[dominishin]

hypocritical of superman to think when he does the same thing.

and again, that was my point, he isn't fighting batman because they think about things differently, but because of a contrived plot device.

 

[Gipetto0812]

Come on, I doubt you're going to meet anyone who's going to try to tell you that Thor 2, Iron Man 2, etc are good films.

They do...along with IM3, Ant Man and AOU...

 

[Gipetto0812]

hypocritical of superman to think when he does the same thing.

and again, that was my point, he isn't fighting batman because they think about things differently, but because of a contrived plot device.

Spoiler

Not hypocrtical at all...Superman is not fighting Batman b/c Batman killed his parents...He's fight Batman so save his mom who's still alive...a person's life is actually at stake....unlike Stark who's just mad

 

[Starscream Soundwave]

Of course. Also given they were released so close to one another.

I personally don't feel the need to though because one is a DCEU film and one is a MCU film. They have different styles and I don't feel one needs to be more like the other in areas and vice versa.

I don't think that's ever been anyone's complaint. To be fair they'd have been compared even if they hadn't covered such similar things.

 

[boylost99]

Agreed on supes Gipetto. I do feel Stark's guilt has been building up since aou and he would do anything to make it right like Wanda said in aou. The random lady just pushed him over the edge. The last scene was him just letting loose on all his emotions and also because he regretted his last moment with his mom. He never said those 3 words to her.

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[dominishin]

Spoiler

B/c some random lady telling Stark her son died is enough to make him see the error of his ways? sure

And maybe the airport seen is legit but the final fight? Tony Stark crying b/c WS killed his mom and dad? boo hoo

Not saying that BvS had a great reason to fight but I don't think Cap and IM did either.

They are fighting because stark believes their power should not be in their own hands. yeah the collateral made him come to this conclusion.

captain because he believes that the alternative of having organizations monitoring and controlling their power is even more dangerous. things done to bucky, things that happened in winter soldier, avengers, etc. shown this.

what was bvs's main theme? muddled and said only once during a brief conversation where they were just doing monologues.

 

[dominishin]

Spoiler

Not hypocrtical at all...Superman is not fighting Batman b/c Batman killed his parents...He's fight Batman so save his mom who's still alive...a person's life is actually at stake....unlike Stark who's just mad

sorry that post was meant for the guy way above mine.

boylost.

 

[SilverStar17]

Interesting how when someone basically doesn't say that that CW **** a brick of gold, then the ones who enjoyed it basically tell them, "I think the movie went over your head."

However, when those same people that liked CW but didn't like BvS are told by the people who did like BvS that maybe BvS went over their head, it's not applicable in this case from their perspective.

I don't think that's ever been anyone's complaint. To be fair they'd have been compared even if they hadn't covered such similar things.

I'm not disagreeing with you. I understand it's natural for the average person to feel compelled to compare the two. I'm just simply stating that I personally don't feel the need to being that it's apples and oranges from my perspective. One is the MCU, one is the DCEU. Both have uniquely different styles I feel and I enjoy that.

 

[dominishin]

I didn't say the movie went over his head. I said my post did apparently. and I was talking about bvs in that post also, not cw.

i should... remember to quote people's messages.