1/6 Hot Toys - BvS: Dawn of Justice - Batman

[Ppk487]

I rushed out and saw BvS multiple times but have had no such urge with CW. I realise I'm very much in the minority.

While I don't like to particularly engage in the ongoing debate of BVS vs CW, I must say as a DC diehard who saw BVS four times at the theatre and loved it I saw CW just last night and I have to say its a damn good movie. I'm not a Marvel guy, I've never been one either but I think this is their best movie to date of the current MCU. Would I take it over BVS? No, because I'm a DC guy but that doesn't mean I don't enjoy Marvel movies. After seeing BVS and enjoying it I have to say I'm looking forward to the extended cut first and foremost, then Suicide Squad after that being BVS is supposedly coming to blu ray in July.

 

[ASTRO13ZOMBIE]

I rushed out and saw BvS multiple times but have had no such urge with CW. I realise I'm very much in the minority.

Right in that minority with you. ...

And me

 

[Sevreed]

I could not disagree more.
Take Civil War for example, in it Tony Stark is written against character just to fit the plot.
There is no way the "rebellious", reckless egomaniac who created Ultron has now become a man who wants to be supervised.
The grieving mother by the elevator, the separation from Pepper Potts or the sad thoughtful stares are not enough to sell it.
The only time Iron Man made sense in this movie was at the end, after learning who killed his folks.



Another example is Spider-Man, take him out of the movie and the story is exactly the same.
His only purpose is to be there.
Then there's Vision, clearly they don't know what to do with a character this powerful, he is written inconsistently throughout the movie.
At times he is omnipotent, other times he is strangely weak depending on what the writers need, not his character.

You did not understand Batman v Superman and you clearly do not apply the same scrutiny to the Marvel flicks.

Ok, what's your problem? You need to stop taking things personally when people don't like the same things you like. Your opinion is not fact and you need to stop telling people they don't understand or don't get it just because they don't agree with you.

 

[Tourist]

Ok, what's your problem? You need to stop taking things personally when people don't like the same things you like. Your opinion is not fact and you need to stop telling people they don't understand or don't get it just because they don't agree with you.

Problem reading?
I made specific points about the characters in Civil War to refute ZombieRepublicain's claims.
Nothing personal, it's about the subject.
You offer no insight whatsoever, instead you're the one making it personal by attacking me.
Learn to think and argue coherently.

 

[I Am Toys]

I for one enjoyed both movies thoroughly. However even though both had motivational issues when it came to the plot and characters, there was enough source material to keep me very entertained. [emoji106]


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[SilverStar17]

I for one enjoyed both movies thoroughly. However even though both had motivational issues when it came to the plot and characters, there was enough source material to keep me very entertained. [emoji106]


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[I Am Toys]

Rock on

 

[dominishin]

both movies have characters that don't need to be there.

But by god, at least Civil War made characters likable. We learned more about Spidey in 1 scene than any of the characters in BVS.

 

[SoGS]

I could not disagree more.
Take Civil War for example, in it Tony Stark is written against character just to fit the plot.
There is no way the "rebellious", reckless egomaniac who created Ultron has now become a man who wants to be supervised.
The grieving mother by the elevator, the separation from Pepper Potts or the sad thoughtful stares are not enough to sell it.
The only time Iron Man made sense in this movie was at the end, after learning who killed his folks.

Another example is Spider-Man, take him out of the movie and the story is exactly the same.
His only purpose is to be there.
Then there's Vision, clearly they don't know what to do with a character this powerful, he is written inconsistently throughout the movie.
At times he is omnipotent, other times he is strangely weak depending on what the writers need, not his character.

You did not understand Batman v Superman and you clearly do not apply the same scrutiny to the Marvel flicks.

Problem reading?
I made specific points about the characters in Civil War to refute ZombieRepublicain's claims.
Nothing personal, it's about the subject.
You offer no insight whatsoever, instead you're the one making it personal by attacking me.
Learn to think and argue coherently.

Yeah that doesn't sound personal at all.

Tony Stark's character written to fit a plot? Okay, so you'd prefer that movies don't have character arcs that evolve? Whether they progress or regress doesn't matter to me. It's just about how the events of one movie carry on to the next. I believe it's well within the possibility for someone to feel an immense amount of guilt for creating AI that literally picked up and dropped a whole city and killed thousands of innocent people.

I'll agree with you when you say Spider-Man wasn't necessary for the story or plot. But it's the MCU's way of introducing him, and frankly, his presence in the movie was amazing. Is it any different than forcing the Flash and that e-mail into BvS?

As far as Vision. I don't think his character is written poorly. There's only so much time you can devote to a character who's 1st 2 appearances happen to be in blockbuster movies with a cast bursting with stars. In CW we're seeing his character arc move forward as he discovers emotions; something that even he doesn't understand as he is supposed to be a logic-driven android.

With respect to his power, if we're going to go there then we might as well invite Thor and SW to the party. This is personal preference, but I appreciate that their powers are somewhat "nerfed." All-powerful doesn't necessarily mean better to me. But that's just how I feel.

I can appreciate the CW vs BvS comparisons. It's when people take it personally where it crosses the line. Competition is good. Hopefully Marvel and DC can both benefit from each other's presence moving forward in cinema.

 

[Wolf_predator]

I thought the Batman scenes carried the film. Thought Afleck was great. Which makes me feel like they should've just done a solo Batman movie before even attempting a movie like this. I don't think anyone was clamoring for a BvS film and that's why there seemed to be so little excitement and a lot of apprehension about the film as it was being made. Afleck was definitely a big part of that since he was unknown and an unpopular choice at first as Bats but I think overall people would've been a little more intrigued and the movie would've probably done a little better at the box office if it was just a Batman movie. And maybe with no Snyder involvement.

Strongly agree with the solo Batman movie, I hate DC were rushing about the DC universe, thought it was an extremely stupid move to push out BVS before settling the main character's story. The Boss fight was somehow awful too! I hate the Dragon Ball Z fighting style, it's not bad but not good enough, too much CGI.

 

[Arctic Beast]

been tempted by this figure but didn't like the body. noticed today on sideshow site that theres a new body that looks better in one pic. you guys think it'll look that good when released? I wish they would up date all pics with new body

 

[hottoysfigs]

been tempted by this figure but didn't like the body. noticed today on sideshow site that theres a new body that looks better in one pic. you guys think it'll look that good when released? I wish they would up date all pics with new body

That picture has been up for a while. I guess we have to wait for the release to really know for sure how good this figure actually looks. I'm not convinced at this point because a lot depends on the angle at which the picture is taken. I'll wait for the early reviews.

 

[Tourist]

Yeah that doesn't sound personal at all.

Sure, I respond in kind.
We'll have to agree to disagree about the rest.
Characters evolving should makes sense, Stark in CW didn't.
"I believe it's well within the possibility for someone to feel..." frankly you don't sound convinced yourself.

 

[SoGS]

Sure, I respond in kind.
We'll have to agree to disagree about the rest.
Characters evolving should makes sense, Stark in CW didn't.
"I believe it's well within the possibility for someone to feel..." frankly you don't sound convinced yourself.

I don't necessarily want to break down what I think about Tony Stark's character arc (or continue with anything else that doesn't tie into this thread) further than I already have. And pulling half a quote like that out of one of my sentences at this point just seems like you're trying to provoke me.

But sure, we can agree to disagree. I enjoyed CW. BvS, not so much. Ben Affleck was amazing. His Batman is easily my favorite. Hope the figure is awesome.

 

[Tourist]

I don't necessarily want to break down what I think about Tony Stark's character arc (or continue with anything else that doesn't tie into this thread) further than I already have.

How could you, that ship has sailed.

And pulling half a quote like that out of one of my sentences at this point just seems like you're trying to provoke me.

Are you for real?
1- You came looking for me.
2- you don't know how quoting works.

Finally, yep I think the Batman figure will be awesome.

 

[Captain Clown]

there has to be a better middle ground that can be reached so kids can enjoy this stuff, too.

I think DC has completely separated their adult audience from the young audience. They seem to cater to one or the other, never both. The cartoon shows have become a lot kiddier, and the movies have become a lot darker.

That being said, I don't want DC to warp into a shameless Marvel cash-in and abandon what makes it unique. At the moment the best middle grounds are the TV shows like Supergirl & The Flash.

 

[Motuxmen]

I just read an interview with Neal Adams...about BvS..and it illustrates perfectly the issues I have with large numbers of people bashing this movie. He rattles off all these things he doesn't like and it's 100% clear the idiot didn't even watch it. If you didn't watch it and you slam it your an idiot and a troll. Period. He just regurgitated a bunc of common critiques and thugs he may have seen in a trailer. Like how adapting the frank Miller story didn't work because it's not 20 years in the future and having a 29 year old batman with grey hair is wrong. Stupid. Lol that's what he said. That batman has grey hair and hasn't "earned" it because he is only 29. Asine. If you watched the movie it's clear batman isn't 29.

And I love his art. Great artist. But come on.

 

[SoGS]

Are you for real?
1- You came looking for me.
2- you don't know how quoting works

1 - Seems the way you express your opinion invites people to "look for you"

2- Not sure how believing Tony Stark could feel guilty about Sokovia and the way I worded that opinion make it seem as if I'm unsure. But you're welcome to comprehend my post however you see fit I suppose.

 

[Captain Clown]

I just read an interview with Neal Adams...about BvS..and it illustrates perfectly the issues I have with large numbers of people bashing this movie. He rattles off all these things he doesn't like and it's 100% clear the idiot didn't even watch it. If you didn't watch it and you slam it your an idiot and a troll. Period. He just regurgitated a bunc of common critiques and thugs he may have seen in a trailer. Like how adapting the frank Miller story didn't work because it's not 20 years in the future and having a 29 year old batman with grey hair is wrong. Stupid. Lol that's what he said. That batman has grey hair and hasn't "earned" it because he is only 29. Asine. If you watched the movie it's clear batman isn't 29.

And I love his art. Great artist. But come on.

...Do people seriously think Bruce is 29 in Batman v Superman? I thought it was pretty apparent in the opening "mankind is introduced to the Superman" sequence that he's in his forties.

 

[Motuxmen]

...Do people seriously think Bruce is 29 in Batman v Superman? I thought it was pretty apparent in the opening "mankind is introduced to the Superman" sequence that he's in his forties.

If you have not actually seen the movie then it's not so clear. And it's clear he had not.

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/batm...dams-reveals-his-thoughts-on-batman-v-a141801