1/6 Hot Toys - BvS: Dawn of Justice - Batman

[Sewol]

Everything about Batman was perfect except for that HUGE thing.

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This Batman kills people

They're playing the long-game with his redemption arc.

 

[SoGS]

I disagree, Ben got the Bruce Wayne/Batman dynamic perfect, he made Bale seem like a mopey monk.

Sorry they were meant to be separate ideas. Simply stating I liked the Nolan trilogy. And I enjoyed Bale's performance once I got over his Batman voice.

With regard to Affleck, I thoroughly enjoyed his Bruce Wayne/Batman portrayal as well. In my eyes, they're just different interpretations of the Batman character. My initial comment was more so referring to how I enjoyed this version of Batman's fighting style vs the Nolan movies.

 

[thedarkknight]

Everything about Batman was perfect except for that HUGE thing.

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This Batman kills people

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You mean like...

He killed in the original Bob Kane/Bill Finger stories. In Detective Comics 27 alone Batman killed 3 people in a 6 page story.

 

[Motuxmen]

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You mean like...
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He killed in the original Bob Kane/Bill Finger stories. In Detective Comics 27 alone Batman killed 3 people in a 6 page story.

Or the dozens of others. I out like 10 examples in the Wonder Woman thread. He does it in every medium short of Adam west tv show. Lol

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do you mean killing? If so he kills in pretty much every movie. And the source material as well. I can understand the shock over superman(killing), but that cats out the bag already anyway.

Here he is in batman returns lighting folks on fire(he likes to do that). I don't recall the exact number but I think it was 3 people he killed in this 5 second scene.


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Then this is from a 2007 or 08 comic. Lights a half dozen people on fire again.


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Or an early comic. He killed hundreds of people in the 40s.

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Or maybe it was just an accident(a couple hundred of those over the years too. Or he just didn't save them. Like with Ras in batman begins..


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Or a little more personal. And with a smile!

He fights a strong man, hits the guy. Guy smiles. Batman smiles and dude looks down to see batman put 3 sticks of dynamite on his chest. And as the guy on forged in fire says...that will killl

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Here's more of those early days. Killing all those pesky Asian folks...

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Or Darkseid. (Or at least trying)

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Then there's the run in "year two" where he runs around shooting people with the gun that killed his parents. Or when he locked a guy in a sewer to starve to death.

 

[Chuck72586]

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You mean like...
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He killed in the original Bob Kane/Bill Finger stories. In Detective Comics 27 alone Batman killed 3 people in a 6 page story.

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The character has evolved past that to a point where it's not the norm. So, Batman killing is going to raise a few eyebrows. It's the same with Superman killing Zod in MOS. Yes, you can point to some moments in the comics where he's killed before, but it's just not a regular occurrence, and is going to ruffle some feathers.

 

[XENAS]

Every movie, I mean every movie...if you sit down and analyze, you're gonna find flaws.
The difference is, there a lot of people who would rather enjoy the movie rather than sit there afterwards and find flaws.

The precious supersmart Nolan...his answer to a batman who broke his back and actually have a bone protruding is to have someone punch it back in place. Really?!!!
Or you have less than 3 minutes for the bomb to go off to save the city...most people would be fumbling to attach that bomb and get it out ASAP...but he sat there to listen to a speech and not to mention Nolan was ok with Talia's death scene. one of the worst death scene in movie history.

Everyone acknowledges that BvS certainly has quite a few more flaws than it should. But still...theres a really good movie in there.
It's not about liking a bad movie, it's liking a very good movie, with quite a bit more flaws than it should.
Even though a lot love this movie, no one is saying its a perfect flawless movie.
But something I've said before, the pros far outweigh the cons.
A lot of us would rather sit there and enjoy the movie and have fun rather than sit there and try to find flaws.

Amen!

 

[Motuxmen]

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The character has evolved past that to a point where it's not the norm. So, Batman killing is going to raise a few eyebrows. It's the same with Superman killing Zod in MOS. Yes, you can point to some moments in the comics where he's killed before, but it's just not a regular occurrence, and is going to ruffle some feathers.

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Raising eyebrows is one thing. Saying a guy ruined the character, and acting like its so
E out of no where, crazy idea is just silly. It happens in the comics..from 1940 all the way up till a couple years ago..in nearly every movie..from returns to tdk. BvS didn't do anything with batman that hasn't been done over an over and over in his history. If it's not your cup of tea that's fine. But acting like its due to a director not understanding the "core" of the character is silly. When the character was built on that thing. Then did it multiple times over many years in multiple mediums, under the direction of many different people.

That's the part I think many people, myself included, are having issue with. Saying its bad or wrong because of the one thing, even though that thing has been used many times before.

He didn't evolve beyond it. If he's done it in the first issues, in the subsequent years in comics(all the way through 2007), in the last two major film iterations (Keaton and bale). It's not just one or two times either. I posted pics of some of the prominent times, some of the cruelest killing..but by no means was that the only times. And i didn't even include the stuff people like to explain away..like batman kicking a guy who falls backward into another guys sword or knife and dies. Or garbage truck. The "incidental" death. That's still killing in my book. But I didn't use it because I didn't need to. The statement that batman doesn't kill is just false. I showed him killing in the 40s, 60s, 80s, 2000s and in film to show he does it in every generation.

 

[Futurion]

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Batman killing people is old news. Even Keaton's Batman killed people. But in a kind of funny way. For example remember this guy?

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or this one
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[Yorick]

I have the notion that no movie is made specially for me, and even more, that any movie that is an adaptation of another medium brings an interpretation and personal vision (from the director/writer/producer).

With that, I don't focus on what "is" at the original media, but if the interpretation kept the core (and IMO, people don't quite understand what core is) of the source material.

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No killing is not a core characteristic for Batman, since he did it a lot of times, as pointed out by many with a lot of examples to back that up. At least, in the idea of core as that which defines the character (in modern Batman, the no powers, dark, gritty, character)

Sometimes, we think something is core to the character, but on a second view, we notice it isn't. For instance, one characteristic that seemed core for Iron Man was the regular human/no power idea. But in the comics, they added "powers" thru extremis and it didn't change his core (which is being a technological character, turning him into a mystic would probably be a breaking point. Even when he dabbled in "magic", during the Dark Reign comic, when he goes to Asgard to make Weapons, he takes a technological approach to it).

There were movies that I disliked, and due to a lack of insecurity, I felt no need to try to prove that my reasons for disliking were what made the movie deviate from the "correct vision".

That said, I did like Man of Steel and loved BvS. I'm glad I'm loving the DC cinematic universe up until now (and I love the Marvel one too, with two movie exceptions, some cool movies and a few masterpieces)

 

[a-dev]

Sorry they were meant to be separate ideas. Simply stating I liked the Nolan trilogy. And I enjoyed Bale's performance once I got over his Batman voice.

I went the other way. I liked his Batman until his voice started to get really ridiculous.

 

[MedievaL]

Just viewed BvS a second time, as buff as Ben Affleck was, he wasn't as buff and ripped as when he was in the batsuit. So there's still some kind of padding I suppose.


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[Starscream Soundwave]

Just viewed BvS a second time, as buff as Ben Affleck was, he wasn't as buff and ripped as when he was in the batsuit. So there's still some kind of padding I suppose.


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It's pretty obvious that he's wearing a big muscle suit. In some scenes it just looked ridiculous.

 

[MedievaL]

It's pretty obvious that he's wearing a big muscle suit. In some scenes it just looked ridiculous.

I think they could have size it down a little.

 

[Starscream Soundwave]

I think they could have size it down a little.

I agree. To be honest I hate the bulky look anyway, though most people seem to really like it.

 

[RIDDICK]

Everything about Batman was perfect except for that HUGE thing.

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This Batman kills people

 

[spindrift]

Sold out at BBTS......knew this was gonna happen

 

[Biff]

What chance of them making a 1/4 scale this year?

 

[Sewol]

Sold out at BBTS......knew this was gonna happen

I don't know how anyone can live without that sideshow sniper-rifle aha.

 

[Edub]

I don't know how anyone can live without that sideshow sniper-rifle aha.

I can't remember what part of the movie did he use the sniper rifle for?

 

[Ninjaknight]

Are all the Batman figures getting the suit update?

Or is this a new separate version?