1/6 Hot Toys BvS: Dawn of Justice - Superman

[Starscream Soundwave]

I love the new suits, particularly the MoS version. Great designs.


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[**16k**]

You know I wasn't too keen about them changing the traditional Superman costume in MoS, but seeing these 2 figures together, the current costume just looks so much better. It's Superman in a modern era and it just works a lot better than the traditional costume.

somehow, I completely disagree with you. I mean, I like the suit in MOS and BvS, and I even like both movies though BvS much less, but for me, this will NEVER be Superman. But hey, for me Superman died when DC implemented the new 52.

Sure, there have been minor variation through the years, but all these changes are much too drastic. They make a completely different character. Damn, I even miss the Superman returns suit.

It's something I'll never get. Why fix what's not broken? I mean, take a guy that wears a suit that vaguely looks like Superman, make him act vaguely like Superman but hey, in a dark way! After all, it's got too be gritty, whatever that's supposed to mean, and call him Superman. sorry, but four men? Pale doppelgänger.

If they really want a different Superhero because Superman is to dated, let their imagination, or lack thereof, work and create something new, but calling a character Superman and make him wholly different won't make him Superman.

 

[dario2739]

Even though it worked and went well with Reeve's suit, the traditional red underwear and yellow belt were initially meant to merely represent the old style strongman from the time Supes was invented, nothing more. Other than that, it really does nothing else other than simply to break up the suit. The actual belt serves no purpose.

The new suit(s) acheive that purpose (breaking up the suit a bit) perfectly without having to wear red underwear over your outfit or wear an actual belt.

Good post... I agree with that sumation of the costume, my only bug-bear with Cavill's Superman (and it's not his fault) is his hair, looks too harsh a style... I miss the spit-curl, and the during the fight in BvS, when his hair flopped down, he looked miles better.

 

[dario2739]

somehow, I completely disagree with you. I mean, I like the suit in MOS and BvS, and I even like both movies though BvS much less, but for me, this will NEVER be Superman. But hey, for me Superman died when DC implemented the new 52.

Sure, there have been minor variation through the years, but all these changes are much too drastic. They make a completely different character. Damn, I even miss the Superman returns suit.

God no... that suit was awful!!! Awful colour, awful neckline, tiny 'S'... although the plane rescue scene is still probably the best Superman action scene on film.

 

[SilverStar17]

Good post... I agree with that sumation of the costume, my only bug-bear with Cavill's Superman (and it's not his fault) is his hair, looks too harsh a style... I miss the spit-curl, and the during the fight in BvS, when his hair flopped down, he looked miles better.

Thanks!

Ah, for me personally, even though I know it's traditional Superman, I'm actually not a fan of the spit/S curl. Out of any of them, I liked his hairstyle in MoS the best. It was more realistic to me in the sense that it was just regular "hair" so to speak, as opposed to having his Clark Kent hair, then somehow managing to style his hair before he goes into action as Superman. The BvS style would be my second favorite.

I do like though that they changed his hairstyle for Superman in BvS, as it made sense from a "disguise" perspective. In MoS, he was simply Clark Kent/Kal-El. His hairstyle as Kal-El in the Superman suit was essentially the same hairstyle as when he was just Clark Kent and I like to think that's because he didn't really have a dual persona at that point. However, in BvS, he took up the reporter gig at DP and essentially kept his Clark Kent/Kal-El hairstyle from MoS when he was reporter Clark Kent in BvS, but had the slicked hairstyle when he was Superman.

God no... that suit was awful!!! Awful colour, awful neckline, tiny 'S'... although the plane rescue scene is still probably the best Superman action scene on film.

Agree with the Superman Returns suit. I wasn't a fan of the smaller S glyph on the chest and I thought there were way too many S shields all over the suit. His belt buckle, on his boots, etc. Heck, even the actual S glyph on his chest contained a myriad of tiny S shields within it! Went a little too overboard.

 

[**16k**]

God no... that suit was awful!!! Awful colour, awful neckline, tiny 'S'... although the plane rescue scene is still probably the best Superman action scene on film.

Agree with everything, but at least it looks like a Superman costume. The new suits only have a cape and the S to let you know it's Superman. But, hey, like I said, I like the suits and the movies (though BvS is a torture for Superman lovers as the guy is presented as the bad guy), it's not just what Superman should be to me. If that's the Superman for a modern audience, then I'm glad to be old fashioned. At least, my Superman was cheerful and happy to serve.

 

[北京国安]

I think his deltoids are malformed

 

[Sidewinder]

I never saw Superman as the bad guy in BvS, I just saw Batman as misunderstanding him.

 

[Helghan]

The movie presented us with a more complicated and realistic world. Of course Superman isn't the bad guy, but he is being made to look like one. People are still coming to grips that such a being exists and fear what they don't understand. That's what helps the lies spread. What I liked about the film was that there is some validity to the lies. There is a counter point to the question "Must there be a Superman?" To answer that question you need to bring up and explore society's faults. The extended cut expands on it more.

I honestly love the way the film concludes. Batman's faith in humanity is restored, but in some ways he's still critical of society as not everyone may grasp what Superman was trying to do. There's a lot of difficult questions and the answer isn't going to be easy.

 

[Tinman2000]

Well I've been jonesing for a figure and was thinking about getting a SS Jawa set...until I found this was available; yes I don't visit the DC figure thread very often. Looking forward to receiving this guy...the first Superman in my collection.

 

[BrooklynWolf X]

Well I've been jonesing for a figure and was thinking about getting a SS Jawa set...until I found this was available; yes I don't visit the DC figure thread very often. Looking forward to receiving this guy...the first Superman in my collection.

Congrats dude. It's a great figure to start off with.

 

[Tinman2000]

Thanks; my collection is all Star Wars and Marvel so I've been wanting to add some DC figures...I'm also looking forward to both Batman figures.

 

[guyver1]

I think his deltoids are malformed

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Had no idea that it was painted silver underneath

Guess this isn't the MOS TT after all

 

[SilverStar17]

Agree with everything, but at least it looks like a Superman costume. The new suits only have a cape and the S to let you know it's Superman. But, hey, like I said, I like the suits and the movies (though BvS is a torture for Superman lovers as the guy is presented as the bad guy), it's not just what Superman should be to me. If that's the Superman for a modern audience, then I'm glad to be old fashioned. At least, my Superman was cheerful and happy to serve.

I've been a staunch Supes fan since at least Kindergarten and grew up on the Reeve films. As a Superman lover, I never once found BvS to be torture.

Dare I say I personally find this version of Superman more, interesting? I have to agree with others that he was misunderstood as being the "bad guy", because he was essentially being set up and framed to be/look like the "bad guy".

The movie presented us with a more complicated and realistic world. Of course Superman isn't the bad guy, but he is being made to look like one. People are still coming to grips that such a being exists and fear what they don't understand. That's what helps the lies spread. What I liked about the film was that there is some validity to the lies. There is a counter point to the question "Must there be a Superman?" To answer that question you need to bring up and explore society's faults. The extended cut expands on it more.

I honestly love the way the film concludes. Batman's faith in humanity is restored, but in some ways he's still critical of society as not everyone may grasp what Superman was trying to do. There's a lot of difficult questions and the answer isn't going to be easy.

 

[Chuck72586]

I believe Deborah Snyder said one of the things they learned from BvS is that people don't like to see their heroes deconstructed. Well, when you don't build them up properly in the first place, it's kind of tough to go ahead and tear them down. MOS was a dark, somber affair with a tortured Clark Kent/Superman who never really truly made the decision by himself to don the cape, and suit. He was forced into action by Zod. Only with a quick, throwaway line at the very end of the movie does it look like he's happy at all or reached some kind of peace of mind. "Welcome to the Planet." "Happy to be here, Lois."

Fast forward to BvS and all that dark, tortured stuff is turned up to eleven. I mean, he's practically clinically depressed in the film. It's just more of the same, and that's the problem. MOS should have been a much lighter film with a more hopeful, optimistic Superman so that the sequel could then tear that stuff down, and build it up again. Of course give Superman doubt in what he's doing and fear for how people will react to him, but it should have been more of an underlying theme that would be expanded upon in the sequel rather then the main driving force of the movie.

 

[SilverStar17]

I believe Deborah Snyder said one of the things they learned from BvS is that people don't like to see their heroes deconstructed. Well, when you don't build them up properly in the first place, it's kind of tough to go ahead and tear them down. MOS was a dark, somber affair with a tortured Clark Kent/Superman who never really truly made the decision by himself to don the cape, and suit. He was forced into action by Zod. Only with a quick, throwaway line at the very end of the movie does it look like he's happy at all or reached some kind of peace of mind. "Welcome to the Planet." "Happy to be here, Lois."

Fast forward to BvS and all that dark, tortured stuff is turned up to eleven. I mean, he's practically clinically depressed in the film. It's just more of the same, and that's the problem. MOS should have been a much lighter film with a more hopeful, optimistic Superman so that the sequel could then tear that stuff down, and build it up again. Of course give Superman doubt in what he's doing and fear for how people will react to him, but it should have been more of an underlying theme that would be expanded upon in the sequel rather then the main driving force of the movie.

I can see where you're coming from, being that the film is much darker and serious in tone than any previous rendition of Superman. However, in MoS, he donned the cape and the suit under Jor-El's guidance (just like in the Reeve films) even before Zod made his way to Earth. He was already performing heroic acts his entire life, albeit in secrecy while flying under the radar. I like to think that when Jor-El told him, "Not if you guide them Kal, not if you give them hope," he was essentially saying to continue doing what he's already been doing, just on a grander scale. Hence the portion of his quote, "....they will race behind you, they will stumble, they will fall. But in time, they will join you in the sun." I felt this in a way sort of came full circle in BvS, with Batman being included in "they".

Even though I immensely enjoy both renditions, I actually get more a sense of hope personally out of this rendition of Superman, and I think it's because it's more relatable as it relates to today's world and society. Reeve's morality and ideals are never once really challenged, whereas this Superman is forced to confront his own morality and ideals in today's world. And ultimately in the end, it's his unwavering refusal to let today's corrupted/cynical world change him (with the subconscious guidance of his adoptive father) and makes the decision to give his life for the very people who challenged him in the first place, realizing that among them, there are indeed still good people out there and that some of those good people see him as their beacon of hope. The beacon of hope that the world needs, but doesn't deserve. To me, that gives me all the hope in the world.

 

[Chuck72586]

I can see where you're coming from, being that the film is much darker and serious in tone than any previous rendition of Superman. However, in MoS, he donned the cape and the suit under Jor-El's guidance (just like in the Reeve films) even before Zod made his way to Earth. He was already performing heroic acts his entire life, albeit in secrecy while flying under the radar. I like to think that when Jor-El told him, "Not if you guide them Kal, not if you give them hope," he was essentially saying to continue doing what he's already been doing, just on a grander scale. Hence the portion of his quote, "....they will race behind you, they will stumble, they will fall. But in time, they will join you in the sun." I felt this in a way sort of came full circle in BvS, with Batman being included in "they".

Even though I immensely enjoy both renditions, I actually get more a sense of hope personally out of this rendition of Superman, and I think it's because it's more relatable as it relates to today's world and society. Reeve's morality and ideals are never once really challenged, whereas this Superman is forced to confront his own morality and ideals in today's world. And ultimately in the end, it's his unwavering refusal to let today's corrupted/cynical world change him (with the subconscious guidance of his adoptive father) and makes the decision to give his life for the very people who challenged him in the first place, realizing that among them, there are indeed still good people out there and that some of those good people see him as their beacon of hope. The beacon of hope that the world needs, but doesn't deserve. To me, that gives me all the hope in the world.

"No one stays good in this world." So what exactly does that statement mean? Doesn't sound like a guy with any kind of ideals or hope for the world around him. I mean, that happens after he went off on his little trip north and had his talk with ghost dad to get some perspective. It's actually very similar to MOS. He talks to ghost dad Jor-El, who gives him some perspective and ideas as to what he can be, but he still goes home unsure of he should do as evidenced by his need to talk to a priest for advice when Zod shows up. In BvS, after the senate hearings, he goes off and talks to ghost dad Jonathan who gives him a little pep talk. He returns, but as soon as he faces any kind of adversity it's "No one stays good in this world" and if I can't convince Batman to help me I'll have to kill him. Again, much like MOS, a throwaway line at the end suggests he's reached some kind of happiness or peace, but all the events leading up to it don't really support it. "This is my world. You are my world." Well, twenty minutes ago, by your own words, no one stays good in your newfound world, so what changed exactly?

 

[SilverStar17]

"No one stays good in this world." So what exactly does that statement mean? Doesn't sound like a guy with any kind of ideals or hope for the world around him. I mean, that happens after he went off on his little trip north and had his talk with ghost dad to get some perspective. It's actually very similar to MOS. He talks to ghost dad Jor-El, who gives him some perspective and ideas as to what he can be, but he still goes home unsure of he should do as evidenced by his need to talk to a priest for advice when Zod shows up. In BvS, after the senate hearings, he goes off and talks to ghost dad Jonathan who gives him a little pep talk. He returns, but as soon as he faces any kind of adversity it's "No one stays good in this world" and if I can't convince Batman to help me I'll have to kill him. Again, much like MOS, a throwaway line at the end suggests he's reached some kind of happiness or peace, but all the events leading up to it don't really support it. "This is my world. You are my world." Well, twenty minutes ago, by your own words, no one stays good in your newfound world, so what changed exactly?

I'm even not quite sure entirely what that line meant for certain, but based on his subsequent actions in trying to convince Batman to help him rather than kill him, he obviously didn't mean it literally. From what I personally glean based on the surrounding dialogue and subsequent events, I believe he was actually referring to Batman and was telling Lois what he now realized has happened to Batman; that he was once and actually is a good person who fell victim to a cynical world and is now trapped in a persona that he doesn't know how to escape from. I surmise this based on Superman saying "Bruce, I was wrong," as in meaning having been wrong about him this whole time. Also, before saying the "No one stays good in this world" line, he told Lois, "I have to go to Gotham to convince him to help me," now understanding that Batman is actually a good person who had fallen victim to a cynical world as mentioned, and that he (Superman) was somehow going to have to get through to Batman with limited time and redeem him. I believe Superman realized he had to use some force for two reasons: One, to defend himself against Batman's vicious attacks. Every time Superman paused to try and reason with him, Batman would use it as an opportunity to attack him. If one is pummeling you and it's clear that they're not interested in listening to what you have to say and are more interested in pummeling you, it's natural to resort to defending one's self against the other person's onslaught. And two, because he was finding out that what the girlfriend of the slain inmate said in the UE was true; "You don't talk to someone like that. Words don't stop him. You know what stops him? Fists." Superman was finding this out himself because as mentioned, every time he tried to reason with Batman, Batman viciously attacked him. He wasn't interested at all in killing Batman, hence the "Stay down. If I wanted it, you'd be dead already" line, but realized that in order to get through to him and in a very limited amount of time as mentioned, he was going to have to unfortunately play Batman's game, or Lex's rather, and engage him a bit.

 

[DoggieDoc]

Superman is complete with the spear!

 

[Starscream Soundwave]

Nice! It looks good.


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