Hot Toys Captain America

[ShadowX81]

I thought it was pretty clear that he whipped the Mark VI up quickly to accommodate the new power source. Of course it wouldn't look much different. Makes sense, story wise, to me.

Why would he need a new suit for a new arc reactor?

And if the new suit couldn't accomodate the power source for some unknown reason, just fix the Mark IV so it can. We have seen Tony making repairs and modifications to the suits before.

You get these huge, noticeable jumps in function between every suit in the first movie, and then suddenly he just starts building new suits becuase he can in the second. Hell, even the upgrade between the III and IV didn't seem to have any point.

 

[Y4NK33 PL4N3T]

Why would he need a new suit for a new arc reactor?

From Wiki:

"Mark VI: The Mark VI armor differs little from the Mark III and Mark IV platform; the main difference being a triangular-shaped chestplate protecting the arc reactor assembly. This suit withstands prolonged and extreme combat situations with relatively minor damage, and is shown to be extremely fast and responsive in flight, and strong and durable in hand-to-hand combat as shown during the fight with an armored Ivan Vanko.

The new model seemingly retains all the weapons present in the Mark III and Mark IV, with two additions: a multi-fire adhesive grenade launcher in the upper arm, and a one-time-use hand-mounted laser weapon, powerful enough to cut through several Hammer Drones cleanly in half. The repulsors are shown to be able to fire much faster than before, and the shoulder-mounted anti-personnel guns can target several more hostiles simultaneously. The armour retains the red and gold colour scheme, but with silver patches on the arms and kneecaps. The Mark VI armor's overall look originated from the Extremis armor in the comics."

 

[ShadowX81]

More powerful? More durable? Faster? The other suits were powerful, durable, and fast as well. Any upgrades of this sort were purely told to the audience and never shown, which makes them sort of an abstract and irrelevant concept. And the Mark IV had the upper arm grenade launcher and the Mark III had the shoulder guns. All of the other changes are purely cosmetic.

 

[YoNoSe]

Why would he need a new suit for a new arc reactor?

And if the new suit couldn't accomodate the power source for some unknown reason, just fix the Mark IV so it can. We have seen Tony making repairs and modifications to the suits before.

You get these huge, noticeable jumps in function between every suit in the first movie, and then suddenly he just starts building new suits becuase he can in the second.

That's what he did. The Mark VI is a modified Mark IV.

 

[ShadowX81]

There is a scene of him tweaking with the Mark III in Iron Man 1. Why didn't that become the Mark IV?

 

[Y4NK33 PL4N3T]

More powerful? More durable? Faster? The other suits were powerful, durable, and fast as well. Any upgrades of this sort were purely told to the audience and never shown, which makes them sort of an abstract and irrelevant concept. And the Mark IV had the upper arm grenade launcher and the Mark III had the shoulder guns. All of the other changes are purely cosmetic.

The Mark VI has every weapon the mark III & IV had plus 2 additions

 

[The Josh]

Plus Tony changes armor like we change our shoes. Someone has never read an Iron Man comic it seems.

 

[YoNoSe]

There is a scene of him fixing the Mark III in Iron Man 1. Why didn't that become the Mark IV?

Because IM 2 takes place 6 months later. It's not unbelievable to think a super rich science genius would upgrade the apparatus that he personally pilots into war zones.

 

[ShadowX81]

The Mark VI has every weapon the mark III & IV had plus 2 additions

One. the lasers. The IV had the upper arm grenade launchers. And there was no reason that the IV could't have just had that easily modified to put it in.

And no, ive never read the comics and reasons like this are why. You show the hero get a new costume saying it is "more powerful" or whatever but never really show any noticeable difference in the hero's powers, making it obvious that it is just a thinly vieled attempt to get the hero in a brand new suit.

Because IM 2 takes place 6 months later. It's not unbelievable to think a super rich science genius would upgrade the apparatus that he personally pilots into war zones.

So when he makes minor tweaks and upgrades to the Mk III it doesn't become the Mk IV, but when he does it with the Mk IV it becomes the Mk VI?

 

[Y4NK33 PL4N3T]

One. the lasers. The IV had the upper arm grenade launchers. And there was no reason that the IV could't have just had that easily modified to put it in.

And no, ive never read the comics and reasons like this are why. You show the hero get a new costume saying it is "more powerful" or whatever but never really show any noticeable difference in the hero's powers, making it obvious that it is just a thinly vieled attempt to get the hero in a brand new suit.


So when he makes minor tweaks and upgrades to the Mk III it doesn't become the Mk IV, but when he does it with the Mk IV it becomes the Mk VI?

That's a silly premise. That's like saying a car company shouldn't release a new model every single year that is improved and they should "have just had that easily modified to put it in" the original model from 5 or 10 years prior.

Technology normally isn't that seamlessly integrated.

 

[Jaycepticon]

So when he makes minor tweaks and upgrades to the Mk III it doesn't become the Mk IV, but when he does it with the Mk IV it becomes the Mk VI?

I just think every new physical suit starts off as the next Mark # and he builds it up from there. He probably started on the Mk V as soon as he finished the Mk IV and didn't even think about building the Mk VI until he needed to build one due to his triangle Arc reactor. Seems pretty logical enough, right?

 

[Centrocal]

I don't think the Mark 4 was really meant to be a combat suit. Even tho it had weapons, it was more of a show piece.

At the the end of the first movie mk3 was pretty destroyed and then he reveals that he's Iron Man, so he needed to have a suit to show off to the public. It didn't seem like Tony viewed himself as a 'Super Hero' at that point, he was basically using Iron Man as a mascot for Stark Industries, promoting his expo and selling a bunch of merchandise ( and partying and buying donuts )

When he gets attacked by whiplash he realized the limitations of that suit. He needed to design one to deal with that specific threat. Mark 6 also probably took better advantage of the new power source

 

[ShadowX81]

That's a silly premise. That's like saying a car company shouldn't release a new model every single year that is improved and they should "have just had that easily modified to put it in" the original model from 5 or 10 years prior.

Technology normally isn't that seamlessly integrated.

But in this case it is very different.

Earlier every single change in Mks was done because it represented a huge and signifigant upgrade in overall function. Tweaks and minor upgrades were done without warrenting a whole new suit.

Now every single time Tony messes with the suit it becomes a whole new MK.

I don't think the Mark 4 was really meant to be a combat suit. Even tho it had weapons, it was more of a show piece.

At the the end of the first movie mk3 was pretty destroyed and then he reveals that he's Iron Man, so he needed to have a suit to show off to the public. It didn't seem like Tony viewed himself as a 'Super Hero' at that point, he was basically using Iron Man as a mascot for Stark Industries, promoting his expo and selling a bunch of merchandise ( and partying and buying donuts )

When he gets attacked by whiplash he realized the limitations of that suit. He needed to design one to deal with that specific threat. Mark 6 also probably took better advantage of the new power source

Now that actually makes sense. Im wondering why they didn't integrate that into the movie. They really should have.

 

[YoNoSe]

One. the lasers. The IV had the upper arm grenade launchers. And there was no reason that the IV could't have just had that easily modified to put it in.

And no, ive never read the comics and reasons like this are why. You show the hero get a new costume saying it is "more powerful" or whatever but never really show any noticeable difference in the hero's powers, making it obvious that it is just a thinly vieled attempt to get the hero in a brand new suit.


So when he makes minor tweaks and upgrades to the Mk III it doesn't become the Mk IV, but when he does it with the Mk IV it becomes the Mk VI?

I don't think he ever actually used Mk III again because I believe it is seen in the same damaged state in IM 2 as it was at the end of IM 1. Maybe he fooled around with it but I don't think it was used after the Iron Monger battle.

As for the Mk VI - it's a totally new power foundation that must have required more than a tweek. Pretty fundamental evolutionary step there. There are minor aesthetic differences because he was in a rush.

All of the separate Marks are justified IMO. I don't see a single one that exists "just because." But even if that did happen it wouldn't bother me because Tony is a tinkerer.

 

[Y4NK33 PL4N3T]

But in this case it is very different.

Earlier every single change in Mks was done because it represented a huge and signifigant upgrade in overall function. Tweaks and minor upgrades were done without warrenting a whole new suit.

Now every single time Tony messes with the suit it becomes a whole new MK.

By "every single time" you really mean 1 time, from the Mark IV to VI.

Tony creates a new element, hence power source for his reactor, so this definitely warrants a "huge & significant upgrade" in a suit that can successfully harness and utilize this power imo.

It's not everyday someone creates a new element on the periodic table

As for the Mk VI - it's a totally new power foundation that must have required more than a tweek. Pretty fundamental evolutionary step there. There are minor aesthetic differences because he was in a rush.

All of the separate Marks are justified IMO. I don't see a single one that exists "just because." But even if that did happen it wouldn't bother me because Tony is a tinkerer.

QFT

 

[YoNoSe]

Now every single time Tony messes with the suit it becomes a whole new MK.

So creating a new element and constructing a new interface by which it can power his armor is "messing with the suit?"

What's "every single time?" That one time he created a new element?

 

[ShadowX81]

By "every single time" you really mean 1 time, from the Mark IV to VI.

Uh, no. Actually the III to IV just seemed to be cosmetic changes as well.

Tony creates a new element, hence power source for his reactor, so this definitely warrants a "huge & significant upgrade" in a suit that can successfully harness and utilize this power imo.

It's not everyday someone creates a new element on the periodic table

In Iron Man 1 the suits run off two different power sources as well.

The new element really shouldn't have mattered much anyway. It was essentially just a new power source that did not create hazardous waste. Not really all that important from a functional point of view.

Even if it was more powerful, its an entirely abstract concept when there isnt a noticeable change explicetly shown the the audience.

So creating a new element and constructing a new interface by which it can power his armor is "messing with the suit?"

Yup. Same ol' suit, new battery.

 

[Y4NK33 PL4N3T]

Uh, no. Actually the III to IV just seemed to be cosmetic changes as well.

Failure.

In Iron Man 1 the suits run off two different power sources as well.

The new element really shouldn't have mattered much anyway. It was essentially just a new power source that did not create hazardous waste. Not really all that important from a functional point of view.

Double failure.

 

[karamazov80]

As entertaining, enlightening, and inspiring as all of this talk is, it is not related to the topic of Hot Toys Cap. Please move discussion here:

https://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36415

 

[karamazov80]

Please move discussion here:

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