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right, but I dont need two separate outfits, heads, bodies, etc....

I regular body with dirtied gear would be fine for me...maybe removeable forearm like T800...but not two complete figures...

I agree. They should have one fairly dirtied-up outfit with two portraits. Not a brand new set of fatigues or an outfit that looks like it was through the ringer. These aren't representative of Luke through most of the movie.
 
That's fine with me. It just ups the price. I'd be quite happy with a good sculpt and outfit, a few hands and a light saber. Everything else just makes it the price of two figures...oh, wait...
 
Hence, we can infer from this, that it will Likely be 5-10 YEARS before we see a Darth Vader From hot toys.

How do you figure 5 to 10 years? :lol

SSC's Bespin Luke was 2007 and HT's is 2011. (Announcements)

SSC's ANH Vader was 2008. By the amount of time passed we could see an ANH themed Darth Vader from Hot Toys announced sometime next year and have them sync up.
 
Y'know, I think HT makes some wonderful figures. I really do. But I find this blind faith in the infallibility of HT coupled with the lack of confidence in SSC to produce a kick-ass Vader to be a little unsettling. Yep, the SSC ANH Vader had some issues, namely the tallness of the helmet, the height of the figure, and the cape. I'm sure SSC has received the message from collectors and will produce a Vader nothing less than perfect the next time round. The have upped their game in 2011. And HT stumbles sometimes. The Indy likeness was...let's not go there. Thor and Cap were "meh". Batman Begins exclusive was a disappointment in execution (mainly due to QC problems, but the cape sucks hard, also). And QC had been an issue with HT of late: wonky PERS, snagging fabric, crooked emblems, broken ankles/hips, paint rubs on portraits, wrists that fall out - all right out of the box. I know these things happen, but in the last half of 2011, they happened a LOT. There's even been debate in this thread about the likeness of HT's Luke. Yet the fans of Hot Toys clamor for a HT Vader - let's give SSC a shot, shall we? (Like we have a choice, anyway...) When HT gets things right, we get a DX Jack Sparrow, and when SSC gets things right, we get a Commander Cody. For their price points, each was top notch. I think we're in for good times ahead!
I agree with pretty much all you wrote.. except for your opinion on HT Captain America. Meh?? :dunno Come on..

I love what HT is capable of.. but I don't have unconditional praise reserved for them. As you say, they've made flubs just like the other companies have. However, their faithfulness to the source material is staggering, most - if not all of the time.

Their Achilles heal these days really only seems to be QC - which is a big enough issue on it's own admittedly, but you can almost guarantee their Vader would not have to be replaced with a 12" Hasbro helmet dome to look right, or be way too tall, or have robes that don't look or drape like they're supposed to.

All that said, yes.. I do acknowledge that a HT Vader is likely a little way off. Hopefully SSC have retained the feedback left about their first Vader, & make the right improvements accordingly. :peace
 
How do you figure 5 to 10 years? :lol

SSC's Bespin Luke was 2007 and HT's is 2011. (Announcements)

SSC's ANH Vader was 2008. By the amount of time passed we could see an ANH themed Darth Vader from Hot Toys announced sometime next year and have them sync up.

the problem is (frow what I've heard) SSC is already planning/working on a new Vader...meaning HT would have to wait x years after the new SSC Vader...

Honestly speaking, I dont care who makes it, I just want one asap!
 
Well, if HT is only doing one SW figure a year, I figure there are going to be plenty of years in the next decade that SSC isn't making a Darth Vader.

How do you figure 5 to 10 years? :lol

SSC's Bespin Luke was 2007 and HT's is 2011. (Announcements)

SSC's ANH Vader was 2008. By the amount of time passed we could see an ANH themed Darth Vader from Hot Toys announced sometime next year and have them sync up.

HT's Bespin Luke is not competing with Sideshow's, so it's getting made. Sideshow will not let HT make a Darth Vader so long as it's competing for sales with a Sideshow Vader. An ANH Vader from HT will compete with an ESB/ROTJ Vader from Sideshow, so it won't happen until Sideshow's has completely sold through (and potentially had time to appreciate in the aftermarket). Sideshow's new Vader is atleast a year away. Five years sounds about right. If they decide to make a ROTS Vader, the whole process repeats.
 
the problem is (frow what I've heard) SSC is already planning/working on a new Vader...meaning HT would have to wait x years after the new SSC Vader...

This logic is flawed. SSC IS working on a new Vader but one from ESB/ROTJ. HT could easily do one from ANH as I posted. The two are very different and wouldn't be direct competition, not to mention that with HT moving into 1:4 figures which is more of a competitor to anything SSC is doing than their small SW offerings I'm sure the idea of timing and when things would be announced/released has already been considered.

HT's Bespin Luke is not competing with Sideshow's, so it's getting made. Sideshow will not let HT make a Darth Vader so long as it's competing for sales with a Sideshow Vader. An ANH Vader from HT will compete with an ESB/ROTJ Vader from Sideshow, so it won't happen until Sideshow's has completely sold through (and potentially had time to appreciate in the aftermarket). Sideshow's new Vader is atleast a year away. Five years sounds about right. If they decide to make a ROTS Vader, the whole process repeats.

By this logic SSC would never carry something competing with itself but we have Indy figures offered with Medicom imports within the same year, SW offerings of Clones less than a year before SSC's offerings of the same. They the new Medi Boba Fett last year only to premier their own this year abeit from a different film being the only real difference other than company. Whether people buy SSC's Vader or HT's Vader which SSC gets a cut from anyway, it's all money in SSC's pocket.

HT making an ANH Vader while SSC is making an ROTJ Vader is far different than HT making a TPM Obi-Wan the same time that SSC is making one.

What the next argument? That both will confuse buyers? In a community that is known for knitpicking every little tiny detail to death, buyers will have no problem seeing an ANH Vader from Hot Toys as something that SSC has done years ago and photoshop it to death as they will seeing SSC's new version from the latter end of the trilogy as something new and doing it to themselves. Now if you said an ROTJ/ESB Vader from HT is probably 5 years away I might agree but Vader isn't off the table. Hell, an ROTS Vader could be done by HT (Interviews did seem to lean towards prequel offerings) since it's obvious SSC isn't doing one any time soon and still be within the realm of non-competition.
 
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This logic is flawed. SSC IS working on a new Vader but one from ESB/ROTJ. HT could easily do one from ANH as I posted. The two are very different and wouldn't be direct competition, not to mention that with HT moving into 1:4 figures which is more of a competitor to anything SSC is doing than their small SW offerings I'm sure the idea of timing and when things would be announced/released has already been considered.

Hot Toys is going to be making 1:4 scale Star Wars figures? Or do you just mean they'll be competing in general? I'd look at that as something that is out of Sideshow's control. Something as specific as a release of the same character in the same scale, regardless of which movie it's from wouldn't be something they'd want to deal with if they could help it (and they can).

The Mike said:
By this logic SSC would never carry something competing with itself but we have Indy figures offered with Medicom imports within the same year, SW offerings of Clones less than a year before SSC's offerings of the same. They the new Medi Boba Fett last year only to premier their own this year abeit from a different film being the only real difference other than company. Whether people buy SSC's Vader or HT's Vader which SSC gets a cut from anyway, it's all money in SSC's pocket.

I don't think Sideshow was concerned about having to compete with Medicom. They knew they could make a better Boba Fett, and that it would be cheaper. Medicom's market share is much lower than Sideshow's. The same cannot be said of Hot Toys.

The Mike said:
HT making an ANH Vader while SSC is making an ROTJ Vader is far different than HT making a TPM Obi-Wan the same time that SSC is making one.

With HT producing ANH Vader while Sideshow produces ESB/ROTJ, how many people do you think would be opting to invest in one over the other? If a HT ANH Vader offering will be so superior to what Sideshow made (and if not, then what's the point?), the price will reflect that and not many people will be willing to buy both. Why would Sideshow give customers the opportunity to choose between one and the other? Their cut on the figures HT makes will not compare to what they make on one of their own.

The Mike said:
What the next argument? That both will confuse buyers? In a community that is known for knitpicking every little tiny detail to death, buyers will have no problem seeing an ANH Vader from Hot Toys as something that SSC has done years ago and photoshop it to death as they will seeing SSC's new version from the latter end of the trilogy as something new and doing it to themselves. Now if you said an ROTJ/ESB Vader from HT is probably 5 years away I might agree but Vader isn't off the table.

Any Vader Hot Toys makes before Sideshow's will cut into Sideshow's sales. Any Vader they make afterwards has the same potential. If people think a Hot Toys version is on the way, they're going to wait.

The Mike said:
Hell, an ROTS Vader could be done by Hot Toys (Interviews did seem to lean towards prequel offerings) since it's obvious SSC isn't doing one any time soon and still be within the realm of non-competition.

Not if Sideshow wants to keep it for themselves. From the sound of things, that's exactly what they're doing. Why do you think we won't be seeing stormtroopers or clones or mandalorians from Hot Toys? Until Sideshow decides that there's no more money to be made in maintaining exclusivity over the Star Wars 1:6 line, nothing like that will show up from Hot Toys.
 
Maybe it's not. Maybe Hot Toys is making Sideshow's next Vader figure for them, and then they'll be making a second ANH one. I'm sure there's a chance, albeit small, and in contradiction to official statements from both companies.
 
Hot Toys is going to be making 1:4 scale Star Wars figures? Or do you just mean they'll be competing in general? I'd look at that as something that is out of Sideshow's control. Something as specific as a release of the same character in the same scale, regardless of which movie it's from wouldn't be something they'd want to deal with if they could help it (and they can).

Rumors are that they are, for sure they are making them for The Avengers and The Dark Knight Rises. We know that SSC is making PFs for The Avengers for sure and their DC License announcement included mentions of The Dark Knight Rises and Man of Steel. If it's something out of their control then how would Star Wars be any different? Because HT is subleasing the license? Well SSC signed up to be the official North American Distributor of HT which means through that agreement whatever is offered they will have to offer as well because it's the only way for etailers to get HT stuff in NA. I guarantee you that the conversations about release schedules have happened with Star Wars included.

I don't think Sideshow was concerned about having to compete with Medicom. They knew they could make a better Boba Fett, and that it would be cheaper. Medicom's market share is much lower than Sideshow's. The same cannot be said of Hot Toys.

I don't think Sideshow is concerned about the same reasons for Hot Toys. In some people's perspectives HT is better but there are a ton of people on these boards who believe otherwise not to mention the slew of people who feel they can have both regardless of announcement. Sideshow will be cheaper than HT's. An HT Vader will probably crest north of $300 without blinking an eye if not more. For many people the thought of a $400 Vader might as well be a Medicom item that they'll pass on.

With HT producing ANH Vader while Sideshow produces ESB/ROTJ, how many people do you think would be opting to invest in one over the other?

Those who are strapped for cash. Many Star Wars collectors especially on these boards would get both or look at it as a simple way to upgrade their own ANH Vaders.

If a HT ANH Vader offering will be so superior to what Sideshow made (and if not, then what's the point?)

Because HT is making figures for their catalog and a Vader is needed. Why do you think HT would get into an agreement for Star Wars and not produce the most iconic character? Superiority is subjective. There are people who say that Sideshow's Indy is superior than the HT DX. The Eye of the Beholder is something you can't just throw out because it's Hot Toys. There have been plenty of HT pieces that have been misses or else these boards wouldn't be filled with photoshops and dumb petitions.

Why would Sideshow give customers the opportunity to choose between one and the other? Their cut on the figures HT makes will not compare to what they make on one of their own.

Simple. They already drained what they could on an ANH Vader, this is cake. The ANH Vader looks dramatically different than an ESB Vader not to mention that with HT going for the Bespin Luke, they'll get the share of folks who are looking for a Vader to pair it with since theoretically HT wouldn't be doing it for a while. It's Red Apples and Green Apples, both apples but both different and from a business standpoint it's all money to SSC and HT.

Any Vader Hot Toys makes before Sideshow's will cut into Sideshow's sales. Any Vader they make afterwards has the same potential. If people think a Hot Toys version is on the way, they're going to wait.

Which is why announcement schedules are important. If the polls aren't complete bull____ we know that most likely a Chewbacca is next from HT that still has to be teased, announced, ordered and shipped. Plenty of time for SSC to do a Vader they've been teasing for a year through Q&A. If it's ordered within Q1 it'd be shipped before the end of the year and HT would have a clear runaway within the second half to do their own. HT has a mastery of this with their own licenses, they offered the MK IV and the MK VI within a couple of quarters of each other, both figures with only a difference of color scheme and chestplates and sold both without blinking an eye. With someone as big as Vader in the Star Wars license no one is worried.

Not if Sideshow wants to keep it for themselves. From the sound of things, that's exactly what they're doing. Why do you think we won't be seeing stormtroopers or clones or mandalorians from Hot Toys? Until Sideshow decides that there's no more money to be made in maintaining exclusivity over the Star Wars 1:6 line, nothing like that will show up from Hot Toys.

That is an assumption on your part. The reality they haven't said what they will or won't do. What if they decide to do a Jango Fett? Will people suddenly cancel out on the SSC Boba because one might be on the horizon sometime? Let's be honest, this hobby is one of impulse, one of regret because you get caught up in hype. Both companies aren't competing but in reality working together to nab as much as they can while still allowing both to have the independence to do their thing.

Things aren't cut and dry, black and white, the fact that people really think that HT has a list of what they can't do ever or for another decade (which HT or SSC may not be around in a decade) is silly. I'm sure that a conversation has happened between both companies to ensure the best case scenario for both but I don't think that HT would go into this saying no armored, no Mandos, no Vaders? Sure let's do it!

HT isn't know for full depth so a Vader is more assured from them then from SSC who has been bleeding this thing dry.
 
Interesting arguments on both sides, but I don't feel a Vader is forthcoming from HT any time soon.

There's a galaxy of characters to do from Star Wars -- no one would drop the license just because they couldn't make Vader.

Besides, right now I'd prefer 3PO, R2 and Chewbacca -- let's get HT on those.
 
Yeah, a HT Vader I don't think is on the horizon anytime soon. Will they make one? Sure, I'd venture to say it will happen but we will see a second Vader from SS well before.
 
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