Hot Toys DX04 - Enter the Dragon: Bruce Lee 1/6th scale Collectible Figure

[karamazov80]

Re: Hot Toys's DX04 - Enter the Dragon: Bruce Lee 1/6th scale Collectible Figure

So, how hard would it be to mod an Enterbay Lee body for a Hot Toys head? I'm sure this was previously discussed, but. . .400+ posts and whatnot.

 

[wHySoSeRiOuS203]

Re: Hot Toys's DX04 - Enter the Dragon: Bruce Lee 1/6th scale Collectible Figure

They need to soften and make it sweatier like EB's 1/4.

Yeah, they just need to soften the muscle definition. Otherwise, it's actually a very good looking figure body.

I hate to keep bringing up Enterbay, but they nailed the body. I've heard no complaints when it comes to the sculpt. Durability and poseability is another thing, though.

yes to both, but the one thing is, thats a statue, so I dont expect it look THAT good, however a little reworking on the body and this will be an even better figure, it looks great now IMO

 

[Rock83]

Re: Hot Toys's DX04 - Enter the Dragon: Bruce Lee 1/6th scale Collectible Figure

So, how hard would it be to mod an Enterbay Lee body for a Hot Toys head? I'm sure this was previously discussed, but. . .400+ posts and whatnot.

It's a magnet on the EB Neck,so if you can somehow attach a magnet in the Head that would work i assume

 

[wHySoSeRiOuS203]

Re: Hot Toys's DX04 - Enter the Dragon: Bruce Lee 1/6th scale Collectible Figure

would the magnet mess with PERS?

 

[cr`]

Re: Hot Toys's DX04 - Enter the Dragon: Bruce Lee 1/6th scale Collectible Figure

They all still follow economic principles.

Which still brings us to the argument that Yulli doesn't have the right to do her take on BL because someone else does it better. So, why shouldn't she choose BL? Why wait long? Not all leaders are originators. There are a lot of companies that are leading the way in certain industries but are but are certainly not the first in their field.

sure, if it's money they're after then make all the bruce lee figures to your heart's content. it's a business after all. but i'm saying there's a higher calling than money, even for a business company. call it respectability, call it integrity... it's a perception thing, but customers can sense it. and sometimes positive perception from your loyal customers worth more in the long run than just some quick bucks.

Yeah, but it still isn't right. If they were going for a flexing pose, then that pretty much limits the body to that one flexing pose. Look at Bruce's posture in that pic you posted. He's hunched over, arms pulled in towards the chest, shoulder muscles flared out (the trapezius area), deltoids pulled downward to emphasize striation in the muscles.

The body would only work for that single pose, when Bruce is purposefully putting his effort into flexing hard. It doesn't work for anything else...and the body HT did won't even allow for that one flexing pose anyway because if you look at its shoulders, they are unflexed, and the figure can't hunch over because there isn't an abdominal joint.

now that you put it like that, i dislike the torso even more.

 

[Rock83]

Re: Hot Toys's DX04 - Enter the Dragon: Bruce Lee 1/6th scale Collectible Figure

would the magnet mess with PERS?

What are the PERS in HT head made of?it's just plastic on the EB heads so it doesn't affect them.

 

[wHySoSeRiOuS203]

Re: Hot Toys's DX04 - Enter the Dragon: Bruce Lee 1/6th scale Collectible Figure

not sure this'll be my first DX figure, or figure with PERS

 

[MxBxM]

Re: Hot Toys's DX04 - Enter the Dragon: Bruce Lee 1/6th scale Collectible Figure

Ok, I've looked very closely to the sculpts from Enterbay and Hot Toys. There is a certain difference that everyone has failed to see. In such a small scale, HT has tried to be too accurate on the sculpt since they seem to just have focused on a particular scene at a particular angle in the movie. ETB on the other hand, has made a sculpt that looks like Bruce from any angle and has also highlighted the most significant facial features of bruce, making the head look a bit cartoony now when compared to the HT sculpt.

I will most likely get it since I missed the ETB ETDs and only have the FOF, which is the best sculpt of Bruce so far in my opinion.

The sculpt in the body can be fixed by having less symetry and been less pronnounced in the muscle definition, which is why I think the ETB sculpt is better. Articulation is not a big deal to me, as long as a figure has it in the obvious places and I like more realism than anything and I do not like statues. I'm also just getting it for the suits and accessories. If the sculpt is not improved, then I won't keep the figures, just the accessories.

 

[iampoch]

Re: Hot Toys's DX04 - Enter the Dragon: Bruce Lee 1/6th scale Collectible Figure

They are serious on what they do,they are a serious company yes,but once again,like i said...If they wanted to challenge HT they would go for let's say Predator,Batman,IronMan or whatever but that doesn't seem to interest them,it's not their style,same as Martial Arts ain't HT's style but yet they challenge EB with their Bruce Lee so yeah i say Enterbay doesn't care about the competition as much as HT do.

if they wanted to,they would hire more artists and try to get more popular licenses,but they don't,im not saying it's easy to get any license you want but im sure they could get some popular ones if they really wanted to.

Serious or not,i still love Enterbay and what they have given me,just so you don't think i hate EB or anything

Hmm, I am getting your point. Somehow, given their Prison Break license, they do want to get a piece of HT's pie. The licenses mentioned, like IM, Batman, etc. don't seem to be their forte at the moment. But like other companies, I'm sure they would like to expend. And that's what I'm getting at. I wish they would be more aggressive with their expansion. HT started small and grew big by being more aggressive (but not oppressive, there's a big difference).

Again, I don't think it's not that they don't want to expand and hire artists etc., but in that they're following a more cautious approach: picking licenses (with no competition, but decidedly riskier and limited) to test the waters, and banking on their existing money-makers. There's nothing wrong with that in the short term, but would prove to be damaging in the long run. This also means that they don't have as much budget as HT does, so hiring more artists aren't in their priorities.

 

[TheObsoleteMan]

Re: Hot Toys's DX04 - Enter the Dragon: Bruce Lee 1/6th scale Collectible Figure

I would imagine the flexed body was done by HT specifically to set their Bruce apart from Enterbay's body. I would think people would be happy to have the choice. If you want relaxed Bruce with smooth muscles, go Enterbay. If you want flexed Bruce with muscles popping, go HT.

 

[MxBxM]

Re: Hot Toys's DX04 - Enter the Dragon: Bruce Lee 1/6th scale Collectible Figure

I would imagine the flexed body was done by HT specifically to set their Bruce apart from Enterbay's body. I would think people would be happy to have the choice. If you want relaxed Bruce with smooth muscles, go Enterbay. If you want flexed Bruce with muscles popping, go HT.

That is not the solution since then you would have to pose him in a flexing position always to make it look natural. And the point of this collectibles is to make them look as real as possible, isn't it?

 

[iampoch]

Re: Hot Toys's DX04 - Enter the Dragon: Bruce Lee 1/6th scale Collectible Figure

sure, if it's money they're after then make all the bruce lee figures to your heart's content. it's a business after all. but i'm saying there's a higher calling than money, even for a business company. call it respectability, call it integrity... it's a perception thing, but customers can sense it. and sometimes positive perception from your loyal customers worth more in the long run than just some quick bucks.

True, but the bottomline of every company is STILL profitability. The higher calling are guidelines, but stakeholders still would prioritize profitability, and truthfully, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that just as long as they stick to business ethics and guiding principles.

So, HT taking on a BL license isn't respectable? Frankly, no business ethics were violated by HT's recent move. which is why I still find it absurd why some people's arguments are merely based on the simple fact that HT makes a BL figure when ETB is doing it already. It really makes no rational sense.

However, arguments like necessary modifications on the BD face's and body's sculpt does make a whole of of sense. I also hope HT modifies them before the release date.

 

[TheObsoleteMan]

Re: Hot Toys's DX04 - Enter the Dragon: Bruce Lee 1/6th scale Collectible Figure

That is not the solution since then you would have to pose him in a flexing position always to make it look natural. And the point of this collectibles is to make them look as real as possible, isn't it?

So does that mean you can't pose the Enterbay in an action pose because the muscles aren't flexing?

 

[MxBxM]

Re: Hot Toys's DX04 - Enter the Dragon: Bruce Lee 1/6th scale Collectible Figure

Both sculpts need work and I think the non-battle damaged head should be mouth closed and a more serious, concentrated expression.

 

[MxBxM]

Re: Hot Toys's DX04 - Enter the Dragon: Bruce Lee 1/6th scale Collectible Figure

So does that mean you can't pose the Enterbay in an action pose because the muscles aren't flexing?

It would still work and look more natural in more poses than the HT one, either relaxed or action ones.

 

[Grosby]

Re: Hot Toys's DX04 - Enter the Dragon: Bruce Lee 1/6th scale Collectible Figure

Somehow, given their Prison Break license, they do want to get a piece of HT's pie.

Plus they made figures from '24' and the 'Dragon Ball Z' film when it was expected to be big and so it's pretty clear they have bigger aspirations and aren't just making figures based on personal pleasure, as someone before was essentially suggesting.

This whole Enterbay back-and-forth is bananas. The point of the main person you're arguing with was that Enterbay would never take licenses HT had covered and that HT was making bad business for doing this and yet even with Enterbay's extremely small output this person wasn't even aware of 'The Godfather' or 'Prison Break' and so it's quite plainly clear they truly don't know what they're talking about.

 

[plasmid303]

Re: Hot Toys's DX04 - Enter the Dragon: Bruce Lee 1/6th scale Collectible Figure

So does that mean you can't pose the Enterbay in an action pose because the muscles aren't flexing?

There's a difference between how your muscles look when you're actively flexing and when your muscles contract and tighten during physical activity.

 

[Gates70]

Re: Hot Toys's DX04 - Enter the Dragon: Bruce Lee 1/6th scale Collectible Figure

i try!...but...can't see bruce here

Then I suggest you put on your glasses.

 

[wHySoSeRiOuS203]

Re: Hot Toys's DX04 - Enter the Dragon: Bruce Lee 1/6th scale Collectible Figure

I second that

 

[TheObsoleteMan]

Re: Hot Toys's DX04 - Enter the Dragon: Bruce Lee 1/6th scale Collectible Figure

There's a difference between how your muscles look when you're actively flexing and when your muscles contract and tighten during physical activity.

I guess. I think I'll just bow out and let you guys debate this in circles.