Hot Toys DX04 - Enter the Dragon: Bruce Lee 1/6th scale Collectible Figure

[plasmid303]

Re: Hot Toys's DX04 - Enter the Dragon: Bruce Lee 1/6th scale Collectible Figure

I would. Why not? Every figure has it's points and drawbacks. Every collector has his own reasons for wanting or not wanting whatever is on the market. I've read about these QC problems but have never experienced them, particularly as peculiar to one company. Go for it Enterbay.

Well, if they can get it right then I'm fine with it. But I don't have the fullest confidence in them at the moment.

 

[creecher]

Re: Hot Toys's DX04 - Enter the Dragon: Bruce Lee 1/6th scale Collectible Figure

They probably wont get it right. Who has yet?

The only rubber bodies I have are all Hot Toys, and while I haven't suffered any degradation to any of them yet, except the ED-209, they do look fabulous.

Even the limited articulation, whilst limited, still allows for some excellent poses regardless.

All we know of the new Enterbay body is what? Nothing at all. It all keeps speculation, hype, possibilities, interest etc at a fairly exciting level, at least, which is why we get to see these proto's in any event. I wouldn't necessarily expect this body to eventuate for quite some time, if at all, in it's current state. Enterbay have set themselves up for a goal, and as we have seen, they don't always score as high as we might like.

 

[dominishin]

Re: Hot Toys's DX04 - Enter the Dragon: Bruce Lee 1/6th scale Collectible Figure

I prefer rubber/realistic bodies. It would be cool if they provided both options, but it'll be too costly for them.

I never had any of my rubber figures deteriorate. Maybe it's because I baby my figures and have pretty ideal temps in my room.

 

[iampoch]

Re: Hot Toys's DX04 - Enter the Dragon: Bruce Lee 1/6th scale Collectible Figure

I'm not too fond of rubber bodies because articulation and a figure's ability to maintain poses are important to me. Then again, I don't shy away from buying them (my Batman figures, Big Chap, Predalien, etc. come to mind)

 

[plasmid303]

Re: Hot Toys's DX04 - Enter the Dragon: Bruce Lee 1/6th scale Collectible Figure

They probably wont get it right. Who has yet?

The only rubber bodies I have are all Hot Toys, and while I haven't suffered any degradation to any of them yet, except the ED-209, they do look fabulous.

Even the limited articulation, whilst limited, still allows for some excellent poses regardless.

All we know of the new Enterbay body is what? Nothing at all. It all keeps speculation, hype, possibilities, interest etc at a fairly exciting level, at least, which is why we get to see these proto's in any event. I wouldn't necessarily expect this body to eventuate for quite some time, if at all, in it's current state. Enterbay have set themselves up for a goal, and as we have seen, they don't always score as high as we might like.

In the dedicated thread for the new Enterbay BL figure, someone posted a comment by Bill from Enterbay stating that the body wasn't poseable yet. It's my assumption that they won't be going for a rubber body. This remains to be seen, of course.

By 'getting it right', I'm talking about durability and range of articulation. Enterbay has never attempted a rubber body before. It took HT a while before they got to the point in which their seamless bodies had a good range of motion (I'm speaking of the Leonidas body). They've practically moved on to PVC bodies with exposed joints, there must be a reason for that.

 

[creecher]

Re: Hot Toys's DX04 - Enter the Dragon: Bruce Lee 1/6th scale Collectible Figure

It's impossible to determine if, someones comments of what was said, have been interpreted correctly.

"that the body wasn't poseable yet." I find the word 'yet' prompts assumptions. They may or may not choose to pursue the production of this body, and if they do, they may or may not choose to articulate it, and if they do it may or may not, ad hoc...

I'm with you on what is meant by 'getting it right'. Enterbay never attempted a figure before their BL GoD, and they did alright raising the bar with it, and they've had a number of innovations that have been adopted by the industry, cough cough Hot Toys. The eye ball system being but one of them, regardless if Mattel or some other company tried it first, and later, was abandoned by them. They know that if they fail at a production it will cost them, so I'd like to believe they'll try to move forward, and if they don't it's probably because of something beyond their control, like the factory they use, closing down.

 

[plasmid303]

Re: Hot Toys's DX04 - Enter the Dragon: Bruce Lee 1/6th scale Collectible Figure

Semantics. Like I said previously, it all remains to be seen and I'm going by what's been shown and said officially and interpolating my thoughts through observation of Enterbay's current situation.

Anyway, back on topic I think it's a further testament to HT's attention to detail that they've drastically changed the body (and soon the head sculpts) ostensibly to quell complaints from fans.

 

[creecher]

Re: Hot Toys's DX04 - Enter the Dragon: Bruce Lee 1/6th scale Collectible Figure

Semantics. That's rich. It's marketing. Why do Hot Toys show their prototypes? To promote their name and product. None of their product proto's are finalised. So saying it's a testament to their attention to detail is a misnomer. It's just part of their process. They do it to rake in the pre-orders, which in turn finances the process, reducing their outlay. It's their intention to refine their product all along. They are an experienced company on top of their game, yet they still experience delays with most of their items. I don't think that's a co-incidence either.

 

[Lejuan]

Re: Hot Toys's DX04 - Enter the Dragon: Bruce Lee 1/6th scale Collectible Figure

Hot Toys are at the stage where they can reveal the figure pretty much at production stage.

Enterbay have a pretty photograph of what may or may not be anything like what they output.

Enough of the Hot Toys Vs Enterbay nonsense. Until both figures are on the market it's pointless to compare the two.

 

[creecher]

Re: Hot Toys's DX04 - Enter the Dragon: Bruce Lee 1/6th scale Collectible Figure

Hot Toys are at the stage where they can reveal the figure pretty much at production stage.

Enterbay have a pretty photograph of what may or may not be anything like what they output.

Enough of the Hot Toys Vs Enterbay nonsense. Until they both figures are on the market it's pointless to compare the two.

Absurd. If they were at production stage it wouldn't take so long for figures to appear. Sometimes up to a year.

Enterbay has more than a photo, they have a proto, which they may or may not develop. At this point who can say what their intent is for sure?

It is pointless to compare the two, but as yet there is no one comparing them. Just people expressing their preference.

 

[Penn]

Re: Hot Toys's DX04 - Enter the Dragon: Bruce Lee 1/6th scale Collectible Figure

Y'know the more I look at that original body, the more I think we've been played from the beginning...

 

[Lejuan]

Re: Hot Toys's DX04 - Enter the Dragon: Bruce Lee 1/6th scale Collectible Figure

Absurd. If they were at production stage it wouldn't take so long for figures to appear. Sometimes up to a year.

Enterbay has more than a photo, they have a proto, which they may or may not develop. At this point who can say what their intent is for sure?

It is pointless to compare the two, but as yet there is no one comparing them. Just people expressing their preference.

What, so expressing a preference is not comparing the two? Saying I prefer an apple to an orange is comparing the two fruits. I prefer EB's figure to the HT one is comparing the two figures.

I said "pretty much at production stage". I didn't say it was production ready.

EB do not have a proto. They have a draft concept, the final details of which are not shown and which they aren't clarifying. As you say, they may or may not develop it.

With the HT figure it's a dead cert where the articulation happens. That it's a plastic rather than rubber body. The only thing that isn't a dead cert is how the final sculpt details will be turned out.

If people want to go ahead and compare - yes, compare - a near-production ready figure with a maybe-it's-articulated-maybe-it's-not, maybe-it's-rubber-maybe-it's-not, maybe-it's-battle damaged-maybe-it's-not figure, then all I'm saying is that this is a complete waste of time for everyone who has to read it. With the notable exception no doubt of the author.

 

[Rock83]

Re: Hot Toys's DX04 - Enter the Dragon: Bruce Lee 1/6th scale Collectible Figure

This figure is going to look gigantic amongst my other BL's.

Yeah HT bodies are alot bigger,i really like EB's bodies...They are like a Muscular Slim body,and Bruce Lee was a small guy.

 

[DeadLeaves]

Re: Hot Toys's DX04 - Enter the Dragon: Bruce Lee 1/6th scale Collectible Figure

Rubber, like any material has to be cast, so it will be set in a pose or stance as a factory default. When you move that pose, articulate, the rubber will deform & look ____. Especially at the shoulders and elbows/knees when they move past 90 degrees.

Rubber/silicone will never perform like flesh... Give up the dream guys. 'Cause that's all it is, a dream.

Visible joints are part & parcel of a 1/6 fig. Any slightly actionish pose will destroy your illusion of the seamless body.

 

[creecher]

Re: Hot Toys's DX04 - Enter the Dragon: Bruce Lee 1/6th scale Collectible Figure

What, so expressing a preference is not comparing the two? Saying I prefer an apple to an orange is comparing the two fruits. I prefer EB's figure to the HT one is comparing the two figures.

I said "pretty much at production stage". I didn't say it was production ready.

EB do not have a proto. They have a draft concept, the final details of which are not shown and which they aren't clarifying. As you say, they may or may not develop it.

With the HT figure it's a dead cert where the articulation happens. That it's a plastic rather than rubber body. The only thing that isn't a dead cert is how the final sculpt details will be turned out.

If people want to go ahead and compare - yes, compare - a near-production ready figure with a maybe-it's-articulated-maybe-it's-not, maybe-it's-rubber-maybe-it's-not, maybe-it's-battle damaged-maybe-it's-not figure, then all I'm saying is that this is a complete waste of time for everyone who has to read it. With the notable exception no doubt of the author.

Okay, now we're getting into semantics. Plasmid's not gonna like that.

Firstly, let me point out that it was you that said "Until both figures are on the market it's pointless to compare the two." So why compare fruits and announce preferences?

Secondly, wasn't it you that said "Lighten up people, some people have fun speculating about what's in the pipeline." Some people.

Yeah HT bodies are alot bigger,i really like EB's bodies...They are like a Muscular Slim body,and Bruce Lee was a small guy.

Yep, he was only 5'7" or just over 11" in 1/6th scale. Medicom got theirs right, probably by default , and Enterbay got theirs right, possibly on purpose. Makes me wonder why Hot Toys didn't bother to translate that across when developing a completely new, specific to Bruce, body.

 

[karamazov80]

Re: Hot Toys's DX04 - Enter the Dragon: Bruce Lee 1/6th scale Collectible Figure

Body looks better than original body. Will keep pre-order

 

[Legion]

Re: Hot Toys's DX04 - Enter the Dragon: Bruce Lee 1/6th scale Collectible Figure

so with that in mind... Where's Rorschach!

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You know, after seeing the new Batman Begins figs my hope has been rekindled...

 

[Rorywan]

Re: Hot Toys's DX04 - Enter the Dragon: Bruce Lee 1/6th scale Collectible Figure

You know, after seeing the new Batman Begins figs my hope has been rekindled...

 

[Lejuan]

Re: Hot Toys's DX04 - Enter the Dragon: Bruce Lee 1/6th scale Collectible Figure

Okay, now we're getting into semantics. Plasmid's not gonna like that.

Firstly, let me point out that it was you that said "Until both figures are on the market it's pointless to compare the two." So why compare fruits and announce preferences?

Secondly, wasn't it you that said "Lighten up people, some people have fun speculating about what's in the pipeline." Some people.


Yep, he was only 5'7" or just over 11" in 1/6th scale. Medicom got theirs right, probably by default , and Enterbay got theirs right, possibly on purpose. Makes me wonder why Hot Toys didn't bother to translate that across when developing a completely new, specific to Bruce, body.

Touche!

 

[MxBxM]

Re: Hot Toys's DX04 - Enter the Dragon: Bruce Lee 1/6th scale Collectible Figure

Well, it does look like Bruce's body. They really improved it as I expected. Now let's just wait for the headsculpts to be improved as well.

Concerning the Enterbay vs Hot Toys Bruce, it really is too early to start comparing. One thing though, it's good that they are competing. Hot Toys will want for us to switch and Enterbay wants to be the top Bruce company. To me, that is the best thing out of this 'war'.