Hot Toys - MMS 189 - SSC Ex The Avengers: Agent Phil Coulson (Specs and Pics)

[Spiderwebb13]

It would be cool if Coulson was the first LMD, and he's just one that SHIELD uses constantly and he shows up again, but Whedon loves killing off characters people respond strongly to, so my guess is Coulson really is dead.

He's not dead. Coulson is going to be the main character in the SHIELD tv show.

 

[SixthScaleEdward]

We're not sure yet if that would be a sequel or a prequel.

 

[cofphoto]

He's also in the Ultimate Spiderman cartoon, he was swooning all over Cap in the episode that we watched tonight. And it was revealed that he was wearing a Captain America undershirt underneath his suit.

 

[the whale]

He's also in the Ultimate Spiderman cartoon, he was swooning all over Cap in the episode that we watched tonight. And it was revealed that he was wearing a Captain America undershirt underneath his suit.

I saw that episode pretty funny

 

[JungleFritz]

Well it could make for a dark twist to the Avengers. Manipulation. Deceit. Team pissed at Fury.

I've thought all along that it would make for better drama in a sequel if Fury was found to have lied to the team about something as big as Coulson's "death". The Avengers are mostly people who wouldn't deal well with the idea of being manipulated (well, who is, really?),

I'm hoping for at least a post-credits scene in IM3 that reveals that Coulson's alive. No indication from Clark Gregg yet about anything like that in the works, but that guy plays his cards close to his chest!

 

[ShadowX81]

Coulson is clearly dead. We already know his fate, and his story is finished.

Not only would it completly kill the impact of his death scene in the first movie, but any scenario that possibly involves him being alive would be way too much of a stretch.

 

[JungleFritz]

Point is, it's not Coulson's blood. But yeah, it's probably still blood.

It's an indication of exactly how coldly manipulative Fury can be to even think of getting the cards and dipping them in blood. It might even be Coulson's blood - I can almost see Fury deciding to use Coulson's blood as some weird sentimental gesture.

 

[ShadowX81]

Who said it was real blood? He could have easily just cracked some red pens open.

 

[JungleFritz]

Who said it was real blood? He could have easily just cracked some red pens open.

I doubt that fake blood would have convinced Cap - that guy's seen plenty of the real stuff.

I'm on the "Coulson lives" side of the fence and have been since May. There's ample ambiguity built into The Avengers to allow the writers to bring Coulson back without retconning or “making his death pointless” (which is a phrase I hate, incidentally, implying as it does that an act of bravery has no meaning unless it kills you - it’s just not good enough to be wounded or maimed, no sirree! Nothing but your heroic death will do! Try selling that idea to any soldier.) After all, the point was to get the Avengers working together against Loki and the Chitauri - whether they were motivated by a lie or by his actual death doesn't change the outcome. Unless it turns out that it wasn't Coulson but a LMD that "died" and that Fury and Coulson planned it all along, none of that negates the power of the scene. Coulson and Fury both clearly think Coulson's dying, so (unless it was a LMD) it's not a case of a scene being played a given way solely to trick the audience.

 

[cofphoto]

Someone had to die. Way too much fighting to lose no one. But most of the main characters CAN'T die, some are immortal and many of them have movies coming out after the Avengers.

I will say this - I don't think I can ever remember a death in a movie that caught people more off guard than Coulsons. I think many of the people in the theater, myself included, gasped out loud, or said "NO!" when Loki stabbed him. I literally felt his loss, he was just such a loveable character and it hurt to lose him.

One thing that did surprise me though was that there was no burial, funeral, service, memorial for him. Possibly just because the movie was already so long, but who knows. At least we still get to enjoy him in the tv series and Ultimate Spiderman (which is now one of my personal favorite shows that we DVR each week).

 

[RaZaTrOn]

If Fury had been found to be lying about Coulson then it would give the team reason to want to break away from SHIELD and become an independent body.

 

[bandito]

Who said it was real blood? He could have easily just cracked some red pens open.

With the amount of injured/dead around the Helicarrier, blood is plentiful, even Maria Hill can donate some....

The cards with that comes with Coulson should be (near) mint though... not bloodied.....

or HT should provide 2 sets:
Bloodied for Fury/Cap to hold... and mint for Coulson

 

[DGTWoodward]

Here is my take on Coulson's actions.

When the attack on S.H.I.E.L.D. comes, Fury orders a heightened level of security and a lock down - fair enough - which Coulson carries out. And then he runs off.

Why?

Because he sees it for what it is straight away, Loki's destroy S.H.I.E.L.D./Avengers destroying each other/escape attempt. He goes straight for the DESTROYER weapon. Coulson almost certainly knew that in facing Loki, he was going to die. The weapon he ran to, had not even been field tested ("So that's what it does") but there he was with it, facing - essentially - a god.

He knew that the idea of 'The Avengers' was a good one, but currently it was all falling apart around them, in petty disputes and arguments. He knew something was needed as a motivator, and that it needed to be big.

So, he did not say "They needed the push" because it was making the best of a bad situation, he said it because he knew that that was what was required of him.

Earlier, Cap makes the comment about the one guy 'laying on the barbed-wire' so that his company can cross safely, and Stark comes off with a smart-mouth response about 'just cutting the wire'.

That was not there just for fun (Whedon is far too clever a writer for that)...the Coulson situation plays out that very scenario. The Avengers need to move on and become a team...and Coulson lays down on their 'petty and tiny' barbed comments and arguments and it allows them to move past them, and to join and function as a team.

 

[Viking Spawn]

Her earpiece counts as 'most of her parts?' She isn't even close to Widow's outfit if that is what you are thinking.

I was referring to the female body type.

 

[JungleFritz]

Someone had to die. Way too much fighting to lose no one. But most of the main characters CAN'T die, some are immortal and many of them have movies coming out after the Avengers.

I will say this - I don't think I can ever remember a death in a movie that caught people more off guard than Coulsons. I think many of the people in the theater, myself included, gasped out loud, or said "NO!" when Loki stabbed him. I literally felt his loss, he was just such a loveable character and it hurt to lose him.

One thing that did surprise me though was that there was no burial, funeral, service, memorial for him. Possibly just because the movie was already so long, but who knows. At least we still get to enjoy him in the tv series and Ultimate Spiderman (which is now one of my personal favorite shows that we DVR each week).

Plenty of people died in the movie, but even though it's conventional for a more prominent character to die that doesn't mean it's got to play out that way... or for even what seems to be a real death to be permanent. It's Marvel, for god's sake. Bucky Barnes was a non-super-powered sidekick who plunged off a frigging mountain to his certain death, and he's coming back, even though that was a big turning point in the Captain America movie, so all this hand-wringing and moaning about how Coulson not dying will lessen the impact etc, etc, seems kind of silly. I know, all the Captain America fans will argue that that's how it happened in the comics, but the point is that there's no valid reason from a storytelling standpoint to assume that Marvel can't bring back whoever they want to.

Even from a real-life medical standpoint, it wouldn't be all that unlikely for Coulson to survive, given the sort of medical facilities the helicarrier's should have. And if you posit even moderately advanced medical technology reasonable in a science-fiction comic book world, survival becomes even more likely.

Anyway, all the speculating about whether Coulson lives or not, whether the S.H.I.E.L.D. series is a prequel or not, it's ALL personal fannish speculation. None of us here can know until we see something definitive from Marvel. I personally belong to the "Fury lies, Coulson lives" camp" (and I choose to believe that Kevin Feige wearing a "Coulson Lives" t-shirt in the NYCC video supports that position), but really, I don't know. You might be right. But so might I.

 

[cofphoto]

Oh I'm not saying that he isn't "coming back"......just saying that someone significant HAD to "die" in the Avengers movie.

I would love for him to "come back" in some way shape or form. He's the one Avengers character who has re-tweeted me.

 

[JungleFritz]

Oh I'm not saying that he isn't "coming back"......just saying that someone significant HAD to "die" in the Avengers movie.

I would love for him to "come back" in some way shape or form. He's the one Avengers character who has re-tweeted me.

Clark Gregg is quite the fanboy, isn't he? Completely adorkable

 

[DGTWoodward]

Despite what is being said and that it goes against comic canon, like that has ever stopped the making of films like X-Men (when did HAWKEYE and BLACK WIDOW join the team, right at the start...? Nope it was Ironman, Thor, Antman, Wasp and Hulk)

I am certain that he will be back, the Vision's name does keep cropping up still.

 

[badrat]

Here is my take on Coulson's actions.

When the attack on S.H.I.E.L.D. comes, Fury orders a heightened level of security and a lock down - fair enough - which Coulson carries out. And then he runs off.

Why?

Because he sees it for what it is straight away, Loki's destroy S.H.I.E.L.D./Avengers destroying each other/escape attempt. He goes straight for the DESTROYER weapon. Coulson almost certainly knew that in facing Loki, he was going to die. The weapon he ran to, had not even been field tested ("So that's what it does") but there he was with it, facing - essentially - a god.

He knew that the idea of 'The Avengers' was a good one, but currently it was all falling apart around them, in petty disputes and arguments. He knew something was needed as a motivator, and that it needed to be big.

So, he did not say "They needed the push" because it was making the best of a bad situation, he said it because he knew that that was what was required of him.

Earlier, Cap makes the comment about the one guy 'laying on the barbed-wire' so that his company can cross safely, and Stark comes off with a smart-mouth response about 'just cutting the wire'.

That was not there just for fun (Whedon is far too clever a writer for that)...the Coulson situation plays out that very scenario. The Avengers need to move on and become a team...and Coulson lays down on their 'petty and tiny' barbed comments and arguments and it allows them to move past them, and to join and function as a team.

Good analysis. But I do think the "laying on a wire" was for Stark as he proved he could it when he choose to ride the missile into outer space. He knew it was a "one way ticket".

 

[Viking Spawn]

Despite what is being said and that it goes against comic canon, like that has ever stopped the making of films like X-Men (when did HAWKEYE and BLACK WIDOW join the team, right at the start...? Nope it was Ironman, Thor, Antman, Wasp and Hulk)

I am certain that he will be back, the Vision's name does keep cropping up still.

Along with the Vin Diesel rumor.