Hot Toys MMS 293 & 294 Batman Returns: Batman and Bruce Wayne (Keaton) Set

[dominishin]

Re: Hot Toys – MMS 293 & 294 Batman Returns: Batman and Bruce Wayne (Keaton) Set

Well the fans really make it tough.

Do something fresh like MMFR? Diehards talk about how it's not MM.

Do TFA? Diehards talk about how it's ANH.

 

[Vortex]

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This is true. The hater culture is really getting old and FTR I really enjoyed both of those movies because they entertained me.


We need to bug Tim Burton and Michael Keaton. A old Batman story sounds interesting because well, Batman as a character is old.

 

[Jameson Rook]

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This is true. The hater culture is really getting old and FTR I really enjoyed both of those movies because they entertained me.


We need to bug Tim Burton and Michael Keaton. A old Batman story sounds interesting because well, Batman as a character is old.

Keaton said he'd be willing to return if Burton is in, which is great because for the longest time, he tried to distance himself from Batman. It seems only recently, post Birdman success that he's embracing it.

 

[juanca33]

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I dont think that at this time a new Burton film will not be cool. I recently read a article that said that burton lost his essence a long time ago and that his lasts movies felt like he was trying to copy himself.

 

[TheMajor]

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I admire any seller that will take a figure out of it's box, and test the articulation that much (as in the videos a few pages back).

 

[juanca33]

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The videos I posted are from a community collector called Dean knight he's not a seller. The figure that he tests is his own figure shipped from Budget Stark.

 

[Shaun & Ed Fan]

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So this version can't sit in the Bat Mobile?

 

[DiFabio]

Re: Hot Toys – MMS 293 & 294 Batman Returns: Batman and Bruce Wayne (Keaton) Set

deanknight posted a very nice comparison video of the DX 09 and Returns Batman figure.

 

[TheMajor]

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The videos I posted are from a community collector called Dean knight he's not a seller. The figure that he tests is his own figure shipped from Budget Stark.

Opps, my bad. I meant to type "collector". I don't know why I said "seller". I admire any collector who has the courage to test a figures articulation like that, straight out of the box. Earlier today, I pre-ordered mine from Lair Of The Octopus in the uk.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

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deanknight posted a very nice comparison video of the DX 09 and Returns Batman figure.

It looks like the Returns utility belt has a different color in the video. I like the way the figure looks in that video. Still hate those rubber suits though...

 

[Psycho]

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It looks like the Returns utility belt has a different color in the video. I like the way the figure looks in that video. Still hate those rubber suits though...

Which is why I'll be upgrading them to wet suits with the rubber plates on top... Makes no sense that hot toys will go the extra mile to do it on nolan crap, but not on any Burton stuff.

 

[Vortex]

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To be fair up until a few years ago I thought the Keaton suits were all one piece. Still no excuse for HT but i'm thinking this figure was probably designed right around the same time DX09 was (which would make it older than DX12) and they just didn't put any extra effort into it.

 

[Psycho]

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To be fair up until a few years ago I thought the Keaton suits were all one piece. Still no excuse for HT but i'm thinking this figure was probably designed right around the same time DX09 was (which would make it older than DX12) and they just didn't put any extra effort into it.

Yeah but a little bit of research goes a long way. The documentary on the DVD and bluray from 2005 explains that the suit is glued to an wet suit. So truly there's no excuse to not have it on an spandex suit.

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[haytil]

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I think it makes perfect sense.

Regardless of what the actuality of the screen-used prop is, in-universe it looks to me like a one-piece suit, and that's the impression that's attempted to be conveyed. Whereas in-universe, the second Nolan suit is specifically called-out as and shown off to be a fabric suit with plates attached to it (differentiating it both from the first Nolan suit and, from a meta-storytelling perspective, from the the Keaton suits as well).

 

[a-dev]

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****. I see the prices are starting to creep up in ebay as more of these are selling. Puts the pressure on.

 

[DiFabio]

Re: Hot Toys – MMS 293 & 294 Batman Returns: Batman and Bruce Wayne (Keaton) Set

I think it makes perfect sense.

Regardless of what the actuality of the screen-used prop is, in-universe it looks to me like a one-piece suit, and that's the impression that's attempted to be conveyed. Whereas in-universe, the second Nolan suit is specifically called-out as and shown off to be a fabric suit with plates attached to it (differentiating it both from the first Nolan suit and, from a meta-storytelling perspective, from the the Keaton suits as well).

Nah, I don't agree with that at all. You're saying in universe Batman was wearing a one piece rubber suit that he couldn't raise his arms or legs in? No way. As far as the film's intention goes, Batman wore segmented pieces of armor over a suit. We see this in Returns when Catwoman is feeling around his armor and finds as a weak point to stab him in. Just look when Bruce stores it in the armory when it's not in use. You only see the armor, not the sleeves or leggings of the undersuit.






So clearly the in universe explanation isn't that it's one piece as it was never implied as such like the figures. Hot Toys only did it because that was what they did with the TDK OC Batman, TDK V1 Batman and DX 02 Batman at the time. That was all they knew. Hot Toys made a one piece rubber suit because they were lazy, plain and simple. It was fine in 2011 since it was the first real Keaton Batman figure in decades, but in 2015 with all the innovations they've achieved with their collectibles? Returns could have and should have been more.

I don't mind museum style, arms at their side poses, but they're capable of making it much more poseable, not to mention more accurate, than what they've given us. Slightly raising his arms to the side and bending his arms doesn't cut it. These are great looking figures, but they could be so much more. Having it be separate pieces wouldn't even be hard for them to do. It would be more accurate, the fit of the suit would be better, it would have more possibility/movement and would look really snazzy. I don't see how anyone would be against it.









vs.

 

[epitaph04]

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It's okay guys. I'm sure we'll get BR batman 2.0 soon enough.

 

[DiFabio]

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****. I see the prices are starting to creep up in ebay as more of these are selling. Puts the pressure on.

In Stock Hot Toys Batman Returns Batman Michael Keaton 1 6 Figure Single Ver | eBay



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Never mind, all those sold. Now he put up more for a slightly higher price. That's probably what you meant.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

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Nah, I don't agree with that at all. You're saying in universe Batman was wearing a one piece rubber suit that he couldn't raise his arms or legs in? No way. As far as the film's intention goes, Batman wore segmented pieces of armor over a suit. We see this in Returns when Catwoman is feeling around his armor and finds as a weak point to stab him in. Just look when Bruce stores it in the armory when it's not in use. You only see the armor, not the sleeves or leggings of the undersuit.


So clearly the in universe explanation isn't that it's one piece as it was never implied as such like the figures. Hot Toys only did it because that was what they did with the TDK OC Batman, TDK V1 Batman and DX 02 Batman at the time. That was all they knew. Hot Toys made a one piece rubber suit because they were lazy, plain and simple. It was fine in 2011 since it was the first real Keaton Batman figure in decades, but in 2015 with all the innovations they've achieved with their collectibles? Returns could have and should have been more.

I don't mind museum style, arms at their side poses, but they're capable of making it much more poseable, not to mention more accurate, than what they've given us. Slightly raising his arms to the side and bending his arms doesn't cut it. These are great looking figures, but they could be so much more. Having it be separate pieces wouldn't even be hard for them to do. It would be more accurate, the fit of the suit would be better, it would have more possibility/movement and would look really snazzy. I don't see how anyone would be against it.

I agree. Look at the Kenner figure.

 

[a-dev]

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In Stock Hot Toys Batman Returns Batman Michael Keaton 1 6 Figure Single Ver | eBay



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Never mind, all those sold. Now he put up more for a slightly higher price. That's probably what you meant.

Yyyyyup.