Hot Toys MMS 293 & 294 Batman Returns: Batman and Bruce Wayne (Keaton) Set

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Re: Hot Toys – MMS 293 & 294 Batman Returns: Batman and Bruce Wayne (Keaton) Set

yeah for real DKR sucked ass! It's like they were trying too hard to recreate the feel and success of TDK, and failed horribly. Another thing that bothered me was how they changed talia. They made her vengeful and she tried to kill bruce, she would never do that in the comic as she loved bruce too much. She practically married batman in the comics. :lecture
 
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Balebat was THE batman to me, I tend to prefer the more "realistic" versions of these characters, that's why Ledger joker is my favorite joker as well.

But I also love campy stuff so yeah, I like both Batman Returns and TDKR

Kevin Conroy is THE Batman to me. There has never been a live action Batman who really checked off all the boxes for me. Keaton didn't look the part, and Bale had that stupid voice he used that made me giggle every time he was trying to be frightening. (He was a great Bruce Wayne though, as was Keaton.) I sincerely doubt Ben Affleck will pass muster with me either, but I'll give him a shot. I think Batman, like Chris Reeve as Superman, needs to use a new, unknown actor to fully inhabit the character.
 
Re: Hot Toys – MMS 293 & 294 Batman Returns: Batman and Bruce Wayne (Keaton) Set

Dunno what all the complaints are about tbh just count your lucky stars they are even making 1 character from a movie that is now over 23 years old.
 
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Kevin Conroy is THE Batman to me. There has never been a live action Batman who really checked off all the boxes for me. Keaton didn't look the part, and Bale had that stupid voice he used that made me giggle every time he was trying to be frightening. (He was a great Bruce Wayne though, as was Keaton.) I sincerely doubt Ben Affleck will pass muster with me either, but I'll give him a shot. I think Batman, like Chris Reeve as Superman, needs to use a new, unknown actor to fully inhabit the character.

Kevin Conroy is hard to surpass, that's why the bat from the Arkham games is probably the best
 
Re: Hot Toys – MMS 293 & 294 Batman Returns: Batman and Bruce Wayne (Keaton) Set

I will not make me friends but i never like the Nolan Trilogy. Too " daily " and "realistic" . BB was correct , the begining of TDK was great but the second part of the movie was awfull and TDKR was catastrophic... An action/terrorist/catastroph movie where Batman was missing the half part of the movie. At half time i almost forgot that i was watching a Batman movie and i even thought that John Mclane could arrive to save Gotham City...
Even if returns is a little weak compared to 89, there are too many iconic moments to not like this movie!
Burton really catched the mood of Batman!
 
Re: Hot Toys – MMS 293 & 294 Batman Returns: Batman and Bruce Wayne (Keaton) Set

Dunno what all the complaints are about tbh just count your lucky stars they are even making 1 character from a movie that is now over 23 years old.

You don't know what all the complaints are about?

Do you care to know what all the complaints are about, or are you just trolling?

On the off-chance that you're not just wasting your time posting in a thread about something you don't care about - the reason people are upset is because all three characters were advertised several years ago, and only releasing one of those figures would not be following through on that promise.
 
Re: Hot Toys – MMS 293 & 294 Batman Returns: Batman and Bruce Wayne (Keaton) Set

yeah for real DKR sucked ass! It's like they were trying too hard to recreate the feel and success of TDK, and failed horribly. Another thing that bothered me was how they changed talia. They made her vengeful and she tried to kill bruce, she would never do that in the comic as she loved bruce too much. She practically married batman in the comics. :lecture

Clearly you haven't read a comic with Talia in the last 6-8 years. Starting from when Grant Morrison took over, Talia dropped all of the love stuff and became a pretty vengeful woman. Granted I hated that portrayal, but it has been done in the comics. Hell in Morrison's story she went after Ras as hard as she did Bruce. No one was spared her wrath, not even her own son.
 
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Clearly you haven't read a comic with Talia in the last 6-8 years. Starting from when Grant Morrison took over, Talia dropped all of the love stuff and became a pretty vengeful woman. Granted I hated that portrayal, but it has been done in the comics. Hell in Morrison's story she went after Ras as hard as she did Bruce. No one was spared her wrath, not even her own son.

With all the praise to Morrison's run on Batman, I just don't get it. I hated it in fact. Batman Inc was horrible to me.
 
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With all the praise to Morrison's run on Batman, I just don't get it. I hated it in fact. Batman Inc was horrible to me.

I hated it as well. The ONLY thing I liked about it was Damian. He has grown to be my favorite Robin. I did like **** as Batman too and the new dynamic of happy Batman and dark brooding Robin. And Batman Inc was such a stupid idea. Bruce Wayne is going to publicly admit that he funds Batman.
 
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I don't know If I'm nostalgic but I grew up with the Burton's movies and I love them; I respect all the Nolan's Batman fans but the essence of Batman is in Burton's movies (essence = comic) so, it's like somebody said in some moment "Michael Keaton is batman, the other actors played to Batman (some of them well)
 
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You don't know what all the complaints are about?

Do you care to know what all the complaints are about, or are you just trolling?

On the off-chance that you're not just wasting your time posting in a thread about something you don't care about - the reason people are upset is because all three characters were advertised several years ago, and only releasing one of those figures would not be following through on that promise.

They didn't promise anything. Every year (heck every day) companies produce thousands of prototypes and make plans for releases and make concept cars and very little of it actually makes it to market. The amount of time it takes to go from concept to production is immaterial. It takes as long as it takes. There are multiple steps that are not even in hot toys control.

Mattel teased a couple motu projects at SDCC that never made it to market (those wrestling stuffed doll things done with MOTU is one that I recall), play imaginative had 135 prototype iron men figures at NYCC two years ago and not a single one has moved past that stage, every year at the Detroit auto show 100 plus cars are shown that never make it to market...and the list goes on. Hot toys did not promise anything. There are no "promises" made until a product goes up for sale. Until then it's just a glimpse into the behind the scenes process.
 
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Just in case people haven't seen these... Probably murderously expensive though.

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Re: Hot Toys – MMS 293 & 294 Batman Returns: Batman and Bruce Wayne (Keaton) Set

That is crazy! Looks more like something out of Batman Forever... but its insanely cool display!!! Maybe the best ever!
 
Re: Hot Toys – MMS 293 & 294 Batman Returns: Batman and Bruce Wayne (Keaton) Set

They didn't promise anything.

Yes, they did. The infamous announcement poster (with the three main characters) in 1/6 and 1/4 scale was the promise.

Every year (heck every day) companies produce thousands of prototypes and make plans for releases and make concept cars and very little of it actually makes it to market.

Yes, and when it becomes announced the way the license and products were announced in that poster, then it ceases to be internal R&D. At that point, it becomes an implied promise to consumers and fans.

We're not talking about "behind the scenes" photos and concepts here. This was a planned announcement.

The amount of time it takes to go from concept to production is immaterial. It takes as long as it takes.

People aren't upset that Catwoman and Penguin are taking a long time. People are upset because they believe Catwoman and Penguin simply aren't coming. Given Hot Toys' behavior, past and current, as well as their few public statements on the matter, consumers have every right to believe this is true.

There are multiple steps that are not even in hot toys control.

And you'd have to be pretty obtuse to believe not following through on Penguin and Catwoman was because of something beyond Hot Toys' control. It's possible, but unlikely, so none of us are going to believe it until there's actually evidence for it.

Mattel teased a couple motu projects at SDCC that never made it to market (those wrestling stuffed doll things done with MOTU is one that I recall), play imaginative had 135 prototype iron men figures at NYCC two years ago and not a single one has moved past that stage

I don't know about these, so I can't comment very intelligently on them, but if your point is simply that other companies also don't follow through on promises then...so what? That doesn't make this any less of a broken promise.

every year at the Detroit auto show 100 plus cars are shown that never make it to market...and the list goes on.

The context is very different at the Detroit auto show. "Concept cars" come with the implication that these aren't final products - you probably won't see many, if any, of them in production. They're just neat ideas that the automakers are toying with.

This is entirely different than the implication that comes with the Batman/Catwoman/Penguin poster, which was an announcement that these characters were coming in 1/6 and 1/4 scale.

Until then it's just a glimpse into the behind the scenes process.

No, a pic of an unpainted prototype head or an unpainted, half-assembled armory is a "glimpse into the behind the scenes process." Those are entirely different than planned, intentional marketing announcements. Anybody in marketing and sales would be able to tell you this.
 
Re: Hot Toys – MMS 293 & 294 Batman Returns: Batman and Bruce Wayne (Keaton) Set

Clearly you haven't read a comic with Talia in the last 6-8 years. Starting from when Grant Morrison took over, Talia dropped all of the love stuff and became a pretty vengeful woman. Granted I hated that portrayal, but it has been done in the comics. Hell in Morrison's story she went after Ras as hard as she did Bruce. No one was spared her wrath, not even her own son.

I was aware of that but, thats not how the talia character originally was from the begining and in TDKR she starts off bad. The point is Talia should not have been the bad guy.
 
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That Batman cave display is the greatest thing I have ever seen. Must take up an entire room. But it must be soooo worth it.
 
Re: Hot Toys – MMS 293 & 294 Batman Returns: Batman and Bruce Wayne (Keaton) Set

We just have to wait for, catwoman and penguin, I think we have a hope about this, I mean Why to do Batman returns without the enemies??? it's illogical; it's like the DX09 Batman without the joker dont you???
 
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I want them to make those figures too but it doesn't work that way. You never know with HT :dunno
 
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