1/6 Hot Toys MMS351 Captain America: Civil War The Winter Soldier Collectible Figure

[Motuxmen]

What if they made a power pose giant man?
I wonder if they could pull that off.

Sure. Be just like their normal 1/1 statues if they went that size. So 7,000usd plus.

 

[Sassafras]

1. Left side: appears to have a tungsten-type light shining on it, or maybe two tungsten lights, one from each side - this is expert-quality lighting, and

2. Right side: has one "warmer"-colored light shining on it...?

What are the other differences?...? Am I missing something?

At this point I'm about to urge you to cancel this figure, since I don't think there's any possibility it will be perfect enough for you when you get it.

In other news, I own the MoS General Zod. He has a grimacing facial sculpt. While I don't mind it, it ALSO limits his posing options so be careful what you wish for.... I prefer more neutral sculpts, myself, you have more leeway with them.

I just don't understand how this is not an amazing figure. He's differently-lit though, so this is bad? Perhaps I need new glasses. TUNGSTEN LIGHT OR FAIL, I guess....? *clueless*

Hmm, well, since it sounds like someone finally has this in hand who is willing to post pics, while we are all waiting...



Proto left; apparently the sculpt used for final production on right.

IMO nothing to do w. light conditions etc.



Proto spring 2016



You-tube cap Jan 2017

*Shrug* Because what I PO'd doesn't look like what I'll be getting. Because what I PO'd had a different face which was less "generic" IMO. Which was kind of a shock when you were 1) thrilled with the proto and 2) so very happy with Cap and 3) you knew that they'd worked on WS before, so it wasn't like this was a new face for HT. And also because you'd already opted out of a SW character re proto changes - e.g., already have a space on the shelf next to a very good Rey and you can't figure out why HT does this sort of thing and I really would have like to have had Finn etc.

Well, no, for now I'm keeping one of my Bucky POs - don't know whether I will be happy or not or it will grow on me etc. That's not saying it's not an amazing figure - IMO that's pretty subjective and covers more than the face - e.g., costume, joints, and all that. I really am happy if other people are happy with it. Maybe I will be - a lot will depend on the paint job.

 

[v-i-s-o-n]

Sorry guys, my computers being a b**** and turning on and off. Pics of the sculpt and rest of the figure are currently up on my insta (not promoting anything, just wanna help people who are on the fence)

 

[kurisuchie2kimi]

Sorry guys, my computers being a b**** and turning on and off. Pics of the sculpt and rest of the figure are currently up on my insta (not promoting anything, just wanna help people who are on the fence)

What's your insta, v-i-s-o-n? I'd love to see pics

 

[v-i-s-o-n]

What's your insta, v-i-s-o-n? I'd love to see pics

_v_i_s_o_n_ , I should have probably specified that

 

[benconallin]

Just saw them,thanks v-I-s-o-n,congrats too I really like what I'm seeing,headsculpt looks fine to me I see Bucky in it,mine should hopefully be showing up this week and will post pics as soon as he arrives

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[Motuxmen]

Hmm, well, since it sounds like someone finally has this in hand who is willing to post pics, while we are all waiting...

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Proto left; apparently the sculpt used for final production on right.

IMO nothing to do w. light conditions etc.

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Proto spring 2016

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You-tube cap Jan 2017

*Shrug* Because what I PO'd doesn't look like what I'll be getting. Because what I PO'd had a different face which was less "generic" IMO. Which was kind of a shock when you were 1) thrilled with the proto and 2) so very happy with Cap and 3) you knew that they'd worked on WS before, so it wasn't like this was a new face for HT. And also because you'd already opted out of a SW character re proto changes - e.g., already have a space on the shelf next to a very good Rey and you can't figure out why HT does this sort of thing and I really would have like to have had Finn etc.

Well, no, for now I'm keeping one of my Bucky POs - don't know whether I will be happy or not or it will grow on me etc. That's not saying it's not an amazing figure - IMO that's pretty subjective and covers more than the face - e.g., costume, joints, and all that. I really am happy if other people are happy with it. Maybe I will be - a lot will depend on the paint job.

The production figure will never ever ever match the prototype exactly. One is a mass produced hand painted figure and one is a 1/1 show piece painted by one of the top painters in the world. The sculpt looks exactly the same. The paint is different and there may be a slight softening of some lines due by o the production process but the sculpt is the same. Throw in different cameras, lenses lighting, screens you are watching those pictures on, software....it's just never ever going to match 100%.

You are comparing third hand photos to each other not the figures.

You get that some cameras process the image one way and distorts it from another. Lenses do that as well. Then each camera has unique software to stick his that image together. Different light sources highlight or wash out different details. The software of the device you are viewing those images on process it differently. The screen displays it differently. The internet connection you use may download or compress it differently. And that's if you got it directly from the photo taker. If it's second or third hand there's additional alterations to the source. And then you are comparing two different images so that further complicates it.

 

[Sassafras]

Sorry guys, my computers being a b**** and turning on and off. Pics of the sculpt and rest of the figure are currently up on my insta (not promoting anything, just wanna help people who are on the fence)

Thank you very much . He looks quality and great pics!









Thank you again for taking the time

 

[v-i-s-o-n]

Thank you very much . He looks quality and great pics!

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Thank you again for taking the time

Thanks for posting the pics for me! I felt pretty useless not contributing to the thread lol Thanks for the compliments too

 

[Ramatuelle]

Hmm, well, since it sounds like someone finally has this in hand who is willing to post pics, while we are all waiting...

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Proto left; apparently the sculpt used for final production on right.

IMO nothing to do w. light conditions etc.

Yes, it DOES have to do with light conditions, because left side is professional studio lighting, almost certainly using a type of tungsten light [or other very "cold" colored light, maybe LED spots] and right is in the artist's own studio, using *completely different lighting.* If I sat you down and took your picture sitting under a streetlight and then under your dining room table light, I bet there'd be a lot of difference between those pix.

Each one of the various pix you have posted is using a different type of light?! For every collectible you buy, there ARE GOING to be differences between the proto and production, anyways, even if lighting conditions are exactly the same. You don't seem very happy with this product, but its your money. p.s ditto to everything Motux just said.

 

[Ramatuelle]

Thanks v i s o n for the pix, your figure looks great!

 

[Sassafras]

Thanks for posting the pics for me! I felt pretty useless not contributing to the thread lol Thanks for the compliments too

I'm glad you didn't mind the re-post - and IMO you've made an amazing contribution to thread - we've waited so long for this fig. I like the pic w. the rifle the best (and I really need to get an SW at some point!)

 

[Sassafras]

Yes, it DOES have to do with light conditions, because left side is professional studio lighting, almost certainly using a type of tungsten light [or other very "cold" colored light, maybe LED spots] and right is in the artist's own studio, using *completely different lighting.* If I sat you down and took your picture sitting under a streetlight and then under your dining room table light, I bet there'd be a lot of difference between those pix.

Each one of the various pix you have posted is using a different type of light?! For every collectible you buy, there ARE GOING to be differences between the proto and production, anyways, even if lighting conditions are exactly the same. You don't seem very happy with this product, but its your money. p.s ditto to everything Motux just said.

Well, after tinkering some more, I'm actually listening to Motux *peace*. And while I do know there are proto vs. production differences - well, this is HT. I haven't been collecting long enough to know the number of times when there's been a huge proto vs. production issue. I know it DID happen w. a figure I wanted; then there's CW Cap who is so IMO stellar. E.g., re Bucky (and Falcon at this point) since they had taken so long (original release dates were estimated like, for October) I was expecting - perfection, frankly. Whatever that might mean to me. (E.g., some folks say SW looks too blank-faced but I think she looks beautiful.)

And gosh-darn it, these are the CW figs, one of the greatest super hero movies ever made, it DESERVED stellar figs IMO. And my favorite MCU character. Yup, I wanted this to be one of HT's best efforts. Not like these are cheap, either.

Re being happy w. this Bucky - well, for me, just need time to adjust - and I DON'T mean I think this is a "blah" figure. I've had a set of images in my head for months now. PROTOTYPE images from displays at Secret Compass, toy fairs, etc. This Bucky looks different to me. But then again, so does the actor, scene to scene. Re the newest images, my first impression is actually relief. IMO it may not be what I expected but it's a good-looking fig, clothes look quality, eyes nicely painted, etc. You can see Bucky there. I hope mine looks the same. More than that I can't tell without uber-high-res images or having it in hand, at this point.

 

[Motuxmen]

 

[v-i-s-o-n]

I'm glad you didn't mind the re-post - and IMO you've made an amazing contribution to thread - we've waited so long for this fig. I like the pic w. the rifle the best (and I really need to get an SW at some point!)

Thanks buddy!

 

[Ramatuelle]

Well, after tinkering some more, I'm actually listening to Motux *peace*

...So my opinion matters less because I'm female? For realz? I've been an artist since age 6, and am skilled in several types of media including building and painting figure kits? But I'm female so what do I know. Only men can speak with authority on this matter. Ooooo-kay!

I haven't been collecting long enough to know the number of times when there's been a huge proto vs. production issue.

As someone who has, again, been collecting various things since about age six, you'd best strap in tightly - because proto-vs-production quality is A Thing, NO MATTER WHAT HOBBY YOU ARE IN. Hopefully a man will chime in and back me up, so that you'll know that I really know what I am talking about. Sheesh!

Annoyed but back to waiting for this figure.

 

[Motuxmen]

I don't think it matters if your a girl. Doesn't to me. Didn't even know. As for credentials, again mostly it doesn't matter. Doing something for a long time doesn't make you an expert, and I'm not saying you are or are not. Just pointing out that it doesn't really make any difference. (I did agree with you though.)

 

[TräshCät]

Yes, it DOES have to do with light conditions, because left side is professional studio lighting, almost certainly using a type of tungsten light [or other very "cold" colored light, maybe LED spots] and right is in the artist's own studio, using *completely different lighting.* If I sat you down and took your picture sitting under a streetlight and then under your dining room table light, I bet there'd be a lot of difference between those pix.

Each one of the various pix you have posted is using a different type of light?! For every collectible you buy, there ARE GOING to be differences between the proto and production, anyways, even if lighting conditions are exactly the same. You don't seem very happy with this product, but its your money. p.s ditto to everything Motux just said.

I second everything Ramatuelle and Motux said. In addition, even the angle the two head sculpts are photographed from is different, of course details are gonna look slightly different when you see them from slightly different angles.

And thanks for the pics vision!

Well, after tinkering some more, I'm actually listening to Motux *peace*.

Eh so you listen to Motux but not to Ramatuelle or me who kept telling you THE EXACT SAME THING for god knows how many pages of the thread now?

 

[Sassafras]

...So my opinion matters less because I'm female? For realz? I've been an artist since age 6, and am skilled in several types of media including building and painting figure kits? But I'm female so what do I know. Only men can speak with authority on this matter. O-tay, Buckwheat!



As someone who has, again, been collecting various things since about age six, you'd best strap in tightly - because proto-vs-production quality is A Thing, NO MATTER WHAT HOBBY YOU ARE IN. Hopefully a man will chime in and back me up, so that you'll know that I really know what I am talking about. Sheesh!

Good god, back to waiting for this figure.

Have no idea what anyone's gender is on this board, most of the time. Didn't know yours. Didn't think about it. At all. Is that a rule on the board?

Re the original post re your comments re lighting, simply didn't see that as the issue - even tho yes, the lighting in the images is different. Re lighting it seemed to matter even less after desaturating the pictures. And it was only after I saw the images as greyscale that I thought to try lining the eyes of the production picture and darkening the brows and started seeing similarities - not the differences I thought I was seeing - a longer nose, altered chin, changes to the shape of the eyes OR the way the iris of the eye was painted, and where it was placed re the production image.

It wasn't an issue of GENDER, it was Motuxmen providing additional details/reminders of technicalties in dealing with digital images AND molding/casting and painting. And it's not an insult to not agree with someone or not see what they see. Yes, there are often differences proto to production. If you are an artist, you're lucky. You can probably touch up a piece if you need to.

 

[krieg-der-sterne]

you can hit me with a stick,but i think the new head looks worse than the first WS sculpt,and i think the production head looks even less like him than the prototype.thats why i am not considering buying this one.i am surprised they are regressing.i know,a prototype looks almost everytime better than a production head,but surely we can expect something better than this.i think the first ant man looks awesome,and the steve rogers and stark heads get better everytime.but that one is a fail in my eyes.