Hot Toys Movie Masterpiece 1/6 Mandarin Figure

[RaZaTrOn]

I'm actually kinda pissed that this "Mandarin" figure will be taking up R&D and production time that could be put into other figures that Hot Toys have already promised us.

Promised? Bit of a strong word.

 

[tommyh84]

Come on Hot Toys I'm ready to see the full reveal so I can decide whether this is a must get or an easy pass

 

[Hydeous]

I agree. I don't think this character warrants a figure from HT to be honest.

Are you kidding me? Even marvel top exec Kevin Feige, President of Production at Marvel Studios, and Stephen Broussard, Executive Producer of Iron Man 3 on the Iron Man 3 movie can't wait to get this figure.

HT: Which is your most anticipated Marvel character to be seen as Collectible Figure?

K & S: All the Hot Toys have been fantastic so far. We're looking forward to finally seeing The Mandarin and the first Captain America costume figure.

 

[Silasya77]

Pretty accurate.

I agree. I don't think this character warrants a figure from HT to be honest.

Honestly, best character from IM3 after Tony himself. Seriously.

Brilliantly executed.

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I just didn't like Killian much.

 

[Viper245]

Are you kidding me? Even marvel top exec Kevin Feige, President of Production at Marvel Studios, and Stephen Broussard, Executive Producer of Iron Man 3 on the Iron Man 3 movie can't wait to get this figure.

HT: Which is your most anticipated Marvel character to be seen as Collectible Figure?

K & S: All the Hot Toys have been fantastic so far. We're looking forward to finally seeing The Mandarin and the first Captain America costume figure.

What can I say? What ever floats their boat.

Honestly, best character from IM3 after Tony himself. Seriously.

Brilliantly executed.

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I just didn't like Killian much.

Oh I agree. It was brilliantly executed but I don't think it warrants a $300 figure but that's just my opinion.

 

[Silasya77]

Oh I agree. It was brilliantly executed but I don't think it warrants a $300 figure but that's just my opinion.

Well, not disagreeing with ya. I'm not getting this fig regardless but if it turns out amazing AND cheap AND I happen to have cash laying around I'd get it. So no chance.

 

[rdc2]

Hoping this came out as a DX, where they will include Trevor's PJ and two hot scantilly clad chicks.....

 

[creature4000]

After thinking about it... I think I'd rather have this fig and tony, possibly Killian if they make him, than any of the suits. The only suit I want now is Siver Centurion.

This movie was definitely not about the suits!

 

[Dr.Mirakle32]

I really hope this wasn't just a red-herring to stir up conversation. This and maybe Tony are the only two figures from the movie I have any interest in.

 

[ronri]

This movie was definitely not about the suits!

Hah! Pretty much. I'd definitely want a figure of Killian (in Mandarin mode), though it'd be great to see HT push this through and keep going at it with the whole Trevor as "Mandarin" gimmick.

In fairness, Shane Black did say that this idealized image of the Mandarin still served as Killian's proxy, and his admittance to the whole thing and self-referral as "The Mandarin" means that he still takes credit for all of it. So even with the twist, this figure is still pretty closely tied to Killian, albeit with some comedy attached to it thanks to Trevor.

 

[encore15]

as much as i didnt like the how the mandarin thing played out in the film i loved the look of BK as the mandarin and def want to get the figure bcuz of the look or heck if they make a Killian then just swap the clothing lol but does anyone consider that in the first two movies the ten rings terrorist group is featured and prominently in the first movie but in the third movie its apparently just a gimmick? was Killian in on it from the begining as in Stane and him in the first movie? do you get what i am saying? man this has to be a plot hole right?

 

[Darthgothikus]

I'm looking forward to this figure. A buy for me.

 

[ronri]

as much as i didnt like the how the mandarin thing played out in the film i loved the look of BK as the mandarin and def want to get the figure bcuz of the look or heck if they make a Killian then just swap the clothing lol but does anyone consider that in the first two movies the ten rings terrorist group is featured and prominently in the first movie but in the third movie its apparently just a gimmick? was Killian in on it from the begining as in Stane and him in the first movie? do you get what i am saying? man this has to be a plot hole right?

No matter how hard one might try to make sense of it, it's definitely a plot hole that was never addressed onscreen.

I've seen people come up with 3 different explanations:

1) Killian planned it all along and he orchestrated Tony's capture with Stane. This brings a sense of "full circle" in that Killian somehow had a hand in Tony's capture right from the start.

2) The Ten Rings are actually an independent terrorist group that is separate from Killian. After they fell apart in IM1 (Stane had most of the members killed remember), Killian used the connection between the group and Stark to create the concept of "The Mandarin" to act as a fake leader for the terrorist group. By doing that, he's using the name of a real yet essentially dead group as a public front without the risk of actually drawing their attention (since they're dead). Remember, Killian wanted to create a fake sense of "war on terror" so that he'd get more support and funding for AIM from the government, and he planned to do it by creating the "Mandarin" as a terrorist threat that needs to be "fought".

3) The Ten Rings are an independent terrorist group which would later go on to be funded by AIM. This is also pretty close to explanation #2 since Killian himself isn't necessarily their direct leader, but their backer. In this sense, Killian is essentially creating a monopoly on the "war on terror" by backing both the Ten Rings and hiding their leader "The Mandarin", and by getting support for AIM from the government.

 

[encore15]

No matter how hard one might try to make sense of it, it's definitely a plot hole that was never addressed onscreen.

I've seen people come up with 3 different explanations:

1) Killian planned it all along and he orchestrated Tony's capture with Stane. This brings a sense of "full circle" in that Killian somehow had a hand in Tony's capture right from the start.

2) The Ten Rings are actually an independent terrorist group that is separate from Killian. After they fell apart in IM1 (Stane had most of the members killed remember), Killian used the connection between the group and Stark to create the concept of "The Mandarin" to act as a fake leader for the terrorist group. By doing that, he's using the name of a real yet essentially dead group as a public front without the risk of actually drawing their attention (since they're dead). Remember, Killian wanted to create a fake sense of "war on terror" so that he'd get more support and funding for AIM from the government, and he planned to do it by creating the "Mandarin" as a terrorist threat that needs to be "fought".

3) The Ten Rings are an independent terrorist group which would later go on to be funded by AIM. This is also pretty close to explanation #2 since Killian himself isn't necessarily their direct leader, but their backer. In this sense, Killian is essentially creating a monopoly on the "war on terror" by backing both the Ten Rings and hiding their leader "The Mandarin", and by getting support for AIM from the government.

all these would make sense too bad they failed to explain it even in the tiniest bit.. somehow i find it to be shane blacks fault bcuz i felt favreau(sp?) was doing a good job with the story though the failure of IM2 compared to the first probably made him feel at ease leaving the directors chair.. idk just disappointed with this film and potential it left untapped imo

 

[Mr.Tanker]

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My take on it was simply that while Killian was the real Mandarin, he created the idea of the terrorist Mandarin, who was supposedly the leader of the Ten Rings, as decoy for U.S. intelligence.

There was no actual connection between the Mandarin and the Ten Rings. It was all bs. The information is all there, but they never come out and spell it all out for the viewer.

In the end it's kind of confusing. But there are two Mandarins, and each one had separate motives and goals. Everything related to the BK Mandarin was BS. The connection to the Ten Rings, his motives, even his attacks.

Killian, (the real Mandarin, complete with Chinese dragon tattoos) was creating an army of super soldiers, but there kept being accidents because Extremis wasn't complete. Every time one of his subjects rejected the treatment and exploded, Killian would release a video of the fake Mandarin claiming that it was a deliberate attack.

The BK Mandarin existed solely to cover up the failed test subjects.

 

[ronri]

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My take on it was simply that while Killian was the real Mandarin, he created the idea of the terrorist Mandarin, who was supposedly the leader of the Ten Rings, as decoy for U.S. intelligence.

There was no actual connection between the Mandarin and the Ten Rings. It was all bs. The information is all there, but they never come out and spell it all out for the viewer.

In the end it's kind of confusing. But there are two Mandarins, and each one had separate motives and goals. Everything related to the BK Mandarin was BS. The connection to the Ten Rings, his motives, even his attacks.

Killian, (the real Mandarin, complete with Chinese dragon tattoos) was creating an army of super soldiers, but there kept being accidents because Extremis wasn't complete. Every time one of his subjects rejected the treatment and exploded, Killian would release a video of the fake Mandarin claiming that it was a deliberate attack.

The BK Mandarin existed solely to cover up the failed test subjects.

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I'm pretty much the same on this one, this is pretty much a good summary of what I meant in explanation #2. I do find it interesting that this kind of goal for Mandarin actually has precedence in the comics, specifically in one recent storyline, Mandarin posed as a CEO to steal the Extremis virus from Maya Hansen with plans of creating an army of enhanced individuals, sort like part of a next step of evolution (obviously Stark comes in and foils the plan).

In that regard, I actually don't find Killian as the Mandarin as being far-fetched at all in terms of his goal. Essentially IM3 treated us with two versions of the Mandarin: the classic Eastern mystic complete with green robes, and the modern scientist/businessman version that uses manipulation tactics to execute his plans. In that regard, the movie practically offers a sort of showcasing of the character's evolution. We're first led to believe that Tony was fighting against an overt terrorist threat in the form of the classic Mandarin, but as the movie progressed we learned that he's actually up against Mandarin based on his modern iterations, sort of like a mirror to the metamorphosis in regards to the character's depiction in the comics.

 

[Intruder04]

No matter how hard one might try to make sense of it, it's definitely a plot hole that was never addressed onscreen.

I've seen people come up with 3 different explanations:

1) Killian planned it all along and he orchestrated Tony's capture with Stane. This brings a sense of "full circle" in that Killian somehow had a hand in Tony's capture right from the start.

2) The Ten Rings are actually an independent terrorist group that is separate from Killian. After they fell apart in IM1 (Stane had most of the members killed remember), Killian used the connection between the group and Stark to create the concept of "The Mandarin" to act as a fake leader for the terrorist group. By doing that, he's using the name of a real yet essentially dead group as a public front without the risk of actually drawing their attention (since they're dead). Remember, Killian wanted to create a fake sense of "war on terror" so that he'd get more support and funding for AIM from the government, and he planned to do it by creating the "Mandarin" as a terrorist threat that needs to be "fought".

3) The Ten Rings are an independent terrorist group which would later go on to be funded by AIM. This is also pretty close to explanation #2 since Killian himself isn't necessarily their direct leader, but their backer. In this sense, Killian is essentially creating a monopoly on the "war on terror" by backing both the Ten Rings and hiding their leader "The Mandarin", and by getting support for AIM from the government.

Sadly this has to be explained at least upto an extent by the filmmakers themselves, not speculated by us.

all these would make sense too bad they failed to explain it even in the tiniest bit.. somehow i find it to be shane blacks fault bcuz i felt favreau(sp?) was doing a good job with the story though the failure of IM2 compared to the first probably made him feel at ease leaving the directors chair.. idk just disappointed with this film and potential it left untapped imo

IDK if Favreau could've delivered a better flick but this definitely had loads of potential to uncover.

 

[kl241]

Sounds like Ra's Al Ghul/Ducard redux.

 

[ronri]

Sounds like Ra's Al Ghul/Ducard redux.

Pretty much.

It's ridiculous how much butt-hurt a lot of fans are by the twist and the Wiki article of the Mandarin has had its fair share of people continually insisting that there's no actual Mandarin in the film after all (due to their dislike of the twist), blatantly ignoring the fact that Shane Black had recently admitted that Killian is actually the MCU's version of the Mandarin.

 

[Intruder04]

I don't even ****ing care if Killian is MCU's version of the Mandarin or not. I just wanted to see some real ******* purpose of the suits rather than having them

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fly around like some bees and then blowing up.