Hot Toys Sandtrooper MMS 295

[jkno]

The trio of Sandtroopers from HT will be released for sure. The question is: when?

 

[Pixelpiper]

And, sorry, I messed up, confusing two of my trooper displays. The Tuskens will be with SSC's Sandies and Dewback, the HT will have a Mos Eisley-themed environment and likely Boba Fett hanging around. I'll be moving some displays around over the next few months...

 

[Solo_bones]

Just PO'd this guy. Can't wait....i've been waiting for this for a long, long time.

 

[Hoody999]

And, sorry, I messed up, confusing two of my trooper displays. The Tuskens will be with SSC's Sandies and Dewback, the HT will have a Mos Eisley-themed environment and likely Boba Fett hanging around. I'll be moving some displays around over the next few months...

Now you've got me thinking Pixel. Would love to see the pre setup. Sounds awesome.

 

[Hoody999]

Anyone know of a trustable eBay seller in HK for HT figures ?

 

[Mike86]

I wonder if this figure will get pushed up or if the current release schedule is accurate. The Sandtroopers are one of my favorite designs so I'm stoked for it. It would be nice to get some variants to go with this one though.

 

[JCFETT]

You know what I've been thinking about since I remarked that I would love to own Hot Toys interpretation of all the Sandtrooper ranks as I have all of SSC's versions and then someone told me about how the original ranks are actually 3 and not 4 - only pauldrons in colors Black, White and Orange. That there is no Grey pauldron, only a dirty white one that was mistaken and immortalized into the figures as grey..... and perhaps elsewhere.

When sideshow released their grey pauldron figure it also came with a white pauldron. I was always perplexed as to why this figure came with two pauldrons as it was the only one that did and it seemed unnecessary knowing every collector would want one sandtrooper per color of pauldron. But now with the above information.... and now that I've been thinking about it... it's pretty clear that SSC was ahead of the curve with this knowledge, or at least me, and released the figure with both grey and white pauldrons just as they have done for Han's jacket... letting the fan to decide what they would like to display it as




Anyways this may be common knowledge for everyone else, but thought it was interesting myself, now thinking about it....

Cheers!

 

[Solo_bones]

I anticipate this to be the best release of any trooper to date, at 1/6th scale.

I hope I'm not wrong.

I'm pretty excited about this one.

 

[Pixelpiper]

it's pretty clear that SSC was ahead of the curve with this knowledge

It was known when Hasbro first did the grey that there was no grey in the movie. Sideshow did the grey as a throw-back to Hasbro, just like they make some Hasbro-style weapons.

 

[Smudger9]

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I anticipate this to be the best release of any trooper to date, at 1/6th scale.

I hope I'm not wrong.

I'm pretty excited about this one.

I agree. I can't wait for this to arrive. It looks perfect.

 

[Pixelpiper]

I anticipate this to be the best release of any trooper to date, at 1/6th scale.

Should be decent, but the details will probably be as wrong as they were on the Stormtrooper release - IMO it doesn't take away from the cool factor, but accurate to screen they aren't. You can see in the recent images you posted the helmet has so many differences, some exaggerations and some simplifications. I haven't counted but there has to be at least ten areas of the helmet that one can put a red circle around.

It would be super cool if they made the black band on the top flexible and adjustable - but I doubt they did.

One of the last few characters I want.

 

[ZE_501]

I anticipate this to be the best release of any trooper to date, at 1/6th scale.

It will beat Marmit on quality and finish.

Sideshow has a slightly better E-11 blaster.

I literally took a digital Vernier gauge to Marmit and HT helmets (I use it in my line of work). The helmets are incredibly close. Like tenths of millimetres close; but the size of the lateral tubes and facial width on Marmit are very, very slightly better.

This is less evident on the HT stunt-style Sandtrooper helmet, because the wider frown mitigates minor proportional inaccuracies at this scale; so I do think this will be the best 1/6 trooper overall, at the end of the day.






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[Wor-Gar]

... very, very slightly ...

I know exactly what you mean.

 

[YankeesFanboy]

Sandie slated for January release in HK.

 

[Solo_bones]

It will beat Marmit on quality and finish.

Sideshow has a slightly better E-11 blaster.

I literally took a digital Vernier gauge to Marmit and HT helmets (I use it in my line of work). The helmets are incredibly close. Like tenths of millimetres close; but the size of the lateral tubes and facial width on Marmit are very, very slightly better.

This is less evident on the HT stunt-style Sandtrooper helmet, because the wider frown mitigates minor proportional inaccuracies at this scale; so I do think this will be the best 1/6 trooper overall, at the end of the day.






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Well said.....i like to hear these types of analysis. But I am not sure I am following. So the width on the Marmit are more accurate as well as the cheeks?

 

[Solo_bones]

Should be decent, but the details will probably be as wrong as they were on the Stormtrooper release - IMO it doesn't take away from the cool factor, but accurate to screen they aren't. You can see in the recent images you posted the helmet has so many differences, some exaggerations and some simplifications. I haven't counted but there has to be at least ten areas of the helmet that one can put a red circle around.

It would be super cool if they made the black band on the top flexible and adjustable - but I doubt they did.

One of the last few characters I want.

I'm curious to know what you would circle. I can see some things, but it seems to me it's the angle of photo or we are comparing variant helmets. I think clearly they are working from the "move along" stunt helmet, which is damned, damned close to perfect. (in my eyes)

 

[LoveMinusZero]

Can't wait for this guy. Wish there were more pics floating around.

 

[Darth Zullo]

I plan on buying the sand base this figure comes with. I'll display Obi Wan with it, I feel like that base would be better for him.

 

[ZE_501]

Well said.....i like to hear these types of analysis. But I am not sure I am following. So the width on the Marmit are more accurate as well as the cheeks?

Hey man; don't know if you recall, but you were one of my guides for customizing Marmits when I first started. Good to see you posting.

Anyway...the stormtrooper helmet is a pretty complex set of curves, one reason no one seems to get it right.

The area of the "face" bounded vertically by the goggle or "eye" rims up top, and the mouth or "respirator" area below, is marginally wider (horizontally) on the Marmit than the Hot Toys, and as such appears more screen accurate.

Since I haven't yet done a proportional analysis with a screen-accurate replica I can only guess that either:

(a) The Marmit is simply sculpted more accurately or...
(b) ...it's a relative thing, based on the Marmit's smaller (and more accurate) lateral tubes.

Which brings me to the second issue...the tubes. MANY iterations of the stormie helmet as done in toys, art etc. have these oversized, exaggerated, "jowl" - like lateral tubes when on the screen-used props they're actually not that thick and have a relatively flat bottom on most helmets. I say "most" because there is of course some variance in all those '70s era props.

And finally...if you look at the profile on many of the screen-used costumes, the stormtrooper helmet most often doesn't curve down as much in profile. Not even the Marmit buckets are immune to that particular flaw. The helmet in profile shouldn't really have an obvious "beak" or "snout"...based on the screen grabs and screen accurate replicas I've seen, the profile is actually flatter and more vertical than most would have it.

What makes everything a little more complicated is camera angles, lens distortion, and physical variance in the screen-used costumes, so there's leeway in any case.

There are a handful of helmets amongst toys and replicas that get it right, and a few that get the "feel" without getting the proportions correct.

 

[Solo_bones]

Yeah, I'm familiar with some of the challenges. I tried to 3D scan a replica bucket from ANH, and the software automatically smooths out sharp edges and really causes problems with the flatness of the face and in other areas, such as the nose ridge that cuts back to the frames around the eye lens.

I do recognize the challenges they are facing and I see, clearly, they faced similar challenges I had.

I still think they knocked it out of the park and I'll have to check the vocoder. Sometimes it's just painting that's the issue. As I have seen that not all groves are painted which appears to be thinner, or not as wide.

Stoked that I was part of your customizing journey. I said the same thing to many members on this forum.