jye4ever
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Also hate side looking eyes but I guess it helps them by making bootlegs difficult to make.
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Agreed. But don't worry guys, if you like the straight-on view, just let Hot Toys know that you preferred the figure that was shown during Sideshow's con.
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Exactly tonton, we also do not want bespin han and lando.
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I think they paint the eyes off center to distinguish between the previous release of the sculpts. To allow the older product to retain some sort of unique aspect/value over the new product. If you want the sculpt looking straight ahead you have to get the old one, so its still sought after.
Hoping its a place holder and we get a new sculpt.
Hoping its a place holder and we get a new sculpt.
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Maybe it's just as simple as they just used a spare trial sculpt with "open mouth and eyes to the side" from Deluxe Luke ?? Then put a helmet on it.
I mean it's only a prototype. Can't remember the strike rate of smallish changes like that going from proto's to release serial. I guess there are enough sculpt changes, so why not eyes.
Seems like it's strange choice to a lot of us. Perhaps they did it to get some feedback ?
My vote would be for straight ahead eyes for this particular figure. "Devious eyes" don't really work for Luke in the snow IMO.
I mean it's only a prototype. Can't remember the strike rate of smallish changes like that going from proto's to release serial. I guess there are enough sculpt changes, so why not eyes.
Seems like it's strange choice to a lot of us. Perhaps they did it to get some feedback ?
My vote would be for straight ahead eyes for this particular figure. "Devious eyes" don't really work for Luke in the snow IMO.
dukefett
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For this figure, I think it's a bit less of an issue, but for lets say DS2 Luke or Bespin Luke, having his eyes look off really limits how you could post him with Vader. If Hot Toys really wants to do that, give it rolling eyes.
People don't seem to be comprehending the elephant in the room.
The massive issue is that this is now the FIFTH Luke that HT has used the same facesculpt for: Luke Jedi V.1, Luke Jedi V.2 (eyes sideways, windy hair,) Luke Endor toothy (same sculpt, mouth insert added,) Luke Bespin proto (different hair,) Luke Snowsp proto (V.2, inside helmet.)
Coupled with now the THIRD Leia release using the same sculpt (just different hair inserts, and I'm sure we haven't seen the last of that sculpt) this to me is now definitely a "budget cut" or demotion for the SW brand by HT. HT has for years been known for double dips and re-releases, but I can't think of a MAJOR franchise character that has so much re-use of the same sculpt.
The massive issue is that this is now the FIFTH Luke that HT has used the same facesculpt for: Luke Jedi V.1, Luke Jedi V.2 (eyes sideways, windy hair,) Luke Endor toothy (same sculpt, mouth insert added,) Luke Bespin proto (different hair,) Luke Snowsp proto (V.2, inside helmet.)
Coupled with now the THIRD Leia release using the same sculpt (just different hair inserts, and I'm sure we haven't seen the last of that sculpt) this to me is now definitely a "budget cut" or demotion for the SW brand by HT. HT has for years been known for double dips and re-releases, but I can't think of a MAJOR franchise character that has so much re-use of the same sculpt.
dukefett
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Oh believe me, I will not be happy at all about the reuse. Especially since they're different movies and looks. I already have DX07, so would probably pass on a Bespin Luke, but would absolutely pass if it's the same sculpt. The only reason I would be slightly OK with this one is the helmet. But yeah I'm not really happy with what they're doing. Leia has bugged me for a bit, but I skipped the Bespin look release. Is there even other Leias they would do? Yavin? Ewok? Both would actually do well with a smiling sculpt.
Slave Leia (or whatever they would call that release today) would be a massive seller - even if the seamless body would freak me out, and many would still claim its blacklisted (or badlisted whatever you call that today.)
The takeaway is that I worry about HT's view of the SW brand now, whether it's been given "second class" status somehow. The ST was really a pretty bad (in some cases disastrous) seller for HT, so I wonder if now that it's over HT is dialing it back on SW generally.
You can understand something like a tweak of the ANH Han sculpt to the smirk head but this dumping release after release with the same sculpt to this degree is troubling. I was even surprised by the Luke Bespin reuse - but this Snowsp one is really a problem.
GaryPool
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It needs as much uproar as Cap America got and then they announced a new sculpt. I imagine that was their plan anyway, but it made it seem like they listened. I doubt they got a new sculpt made and approved within that same month.
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I think this is not only a concern but probably reality. OT Star Wars gets lumped in with the ST garbage because an overseas company that doesn't really understand the franchise can't disassociate one from the other.
Star Wars likely is second class to Hot Toys given that their big selling line has been and likely still is the MCU. Though I don’t think their SW line is being treated too poorly given that there are over twenty Star Wars figures up for pre-order right now, many of them from the Mandalorian, which is very popular right now.
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I understand the thinking behind "strike when the iron is hot" but how many years and how many Sith Troopers must OT fans sit through before getting a lot of the more desirable(and marketable) characters. Zero OT unreleased figures up for preorder right now by the way.
The excuse of "OT will always sell" is getting tiring.
It's more a fact than an excuse. I get that it's upsetting to those looking for more OT figures. I'm taking solace in the fact that they're still releasing a lot of Star Wars figures, despite lack of interest by the Chinese market. Hopefully our patience will be rewarded.
HT doesn't want to make what they likely consider obscure characters -- like Piett -- they like selling Lukes and Leias and troopers. Han must be an issue with Ford's likeness, makes no sense otherwise not to have one offered for years now.
Why they haven't made 3PO is beyond me though. Robot + China = $$$.... 3PO + US = $$$$.... it has to be something with the gold paint -- cost or problems chipping or scuffing in shipping. Too much damage risk and replacement costs for them to move ahead. But then you think, Iron Man has a lot of gold with no issue. I just don't get it.
Why they haven't made 3PO is beyond me though. Robot + China = $$$.... 3PO + US = $$$$.... it has to be something with the gold paint -- cost or problems chipping or scuffing in shipping. Too much damage risk and replacement costs for them to move ahead. But then you think, Iron Man has a lot of gold with no issue. I just don't get it.
I bought their gold Stormtrooper and the one I received had a lot of chips and scuffing. Maybe they got a lot of returns and it scared them away.
I always figured the Solo movie/figure threw a wrench in the Bespin Han plans, where they knew it couldn't compete with the OT. Crazy to think that we have all the main outfits for ESB/ROTJ Luke and Leia, yet no Han for either movie has even been shown.
So the reason we don't have HT Endor, Hoth and Bespin Hans (or carbon frozen for that matter - that was mentioned as a "DX" Bespin) is because of "Solo"?
It's stunning to me that they've done two "young Han" figures from that movie yet none of the iconic OT Han looks other than smuggler/stormie.
And smuggler/stormie were from 4 years ago, weren't they? Its been years with no Han. How many Lukes in that time?
It just has to be likeness issues. Either that, or that moment when Ford torn up the HT doll of himself on television was the prophetic death of Han Solo from Hot Toys.
It just has to be likeness issues. Either that, or that moment when Ford torn up the HT doll of himself on television was the prophetic death of Han Solo from Hot Toys.
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Yeah, you really don't think of it in that way, but what he did on Fallon must have really p*ssed off HT. Especially with the cultural disconnect as well - not sure a Chinese celebrity would do something like that to a HT figure on Chinese TV. It maybe came across as insulting and he even tosses in a d*ck joke while the fig's nude.
These are supposed to be high-end, very expensive collectibles appealing to adults and HF not only treated it like a $5 Hasbro toy, he destroyed it and laughed while he did it.
You can even see that Fallon is kinda shocked - perhaps knowing how much it cost the show (he probably assumed Ford would just use it to point out what happened and then hand it back) but also because HF goes sorta nuts with it.
HF has always been a snarky, sarcastic guy in interviews - and even pretty weird at times (almost like early dementia) - so I guess they should have known.
These are supposed to be high-end, very expensive collectibles appealing to adults and HF not only treated it like a $5 Hasbro toy, he destroyed it and laughed while he did it.
You can even see that Fallon is kinda shocked - perhaps knowing how much it cost the show (he probably assumed Ford would just use it to point out what happened and then hand it back) but also because HF goes sorta nuts with it.
HF has always been a snarky, sarcastic guy in interviews - and even pretty weird at times (almost like early dementia) - so I guess they should have known.
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