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Re: Sideshow could learn a thing or two from Hot Toys for SW
i think the two companys should just merge and let HT develop the 1/6 scale stuff and have SS focus on statues and stuff. imagine the wealth of product we'd get then. i'd be freakin' broke for sure.
i think the two companys should just merge and let HT develop the 1/6 scale stuff and have SS focus on statues and stuff. imagine the wealth of product we'd get then. i'd be freakin' broke for sure.
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Re: Sideshow could learn a thing or two from Hot Toys for SW
Yes, and it wouldn't take years of R&D. How long do you think Sideshow has been working on armor? Now how long did it take Hot Toys to design and mass produce TDK batman with exacting detail?
I thought HT did a superb job with the armour on Iron Man Mark 1, imagine that level of quality for 1/6th SW Droids.
Yes, and it wouldn't take years of R&D. How long do you think Sideshow has been working on armor? Now how long did it take Hot Toys to design and mass produce TDK batman with exacting detail?
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Re: Sideshow could learn a thing or two from Hot Toys for SW
Hmmm...i'm sensing that this forum may need to change its name from "Sideshow Freaks" to "Hot Toys Freaks".
"Never missed a likeness" - please look at the ALIENS line, if you can find just ONE of the characters there (and i mean human) who looks like the actor who played them...i'll eat my hat, literally.
Hot Toys has recently had a great run of "hits" in the sculpt department. RDJ for the Iron Man mk1, 2 and 3 for instance, or the amazing work on the AE sculpt for Two-Face. Part of the greatness is the scupt, yes...but it is also the PAINT, with a new technique they are more than likely unwilling to share at the moment.
This really is a "flavor of the moment" syndrome, Hot Toys release a load of figures from current "hot" properties such as The Dark Knight and Iron man and so folks forget the rather crappy sculpts of years past.
Sideshow continues to release products from properties we all like, but have grown a little sick of (like Star Wars), and with it comes less respect for the product and the work that goes into it.
In the coming months, Sideshow could release figures that could leave Hot Toys licking up the dust, or maybe they'll just bow out completely, stop the 1/6th scale lines all togeather. Who knows?, personally i'd like them to keep going, i'm happy to fork out my coin to Sideshow for figures i actually DO like.
I love Sideshows SW line of 1/6th scales, i prefer them over the Japanese companies releases. And i also like Hot-Toys Iron Man series, which i do hope to get at some point in the future. I wont compare the two tho, two different companies with different artists, styles and techniques. To me its like compairing a work from Mozart to Amy Winehouse...(and no, its not ment that one company is Mozart and one is some drugged up hooker...just a term i use)
Hmmm...i'm sensing that this forum may need to change its name from "Sideshow Freaks" to "Hot Toys Freaks".
"Never missed a likeness" - please look at the ALIENS line, if you can find just ONE of the characters there (and i mean human) who looks like the actor who played them...i'll eat my hat, literally.
Hot Toys has recently had a great run of "hits" in the sculpt department. RDJ for the Iron Man mk1, 2 and 3 for instance, or the amazing work on the AE sculpt for Two-Face. Part of the greatness is the scupt, yes...but it is also the PAINT, with a new technique they are more than likely unwilling to share at the moment.
This really is a "flavor of the moment" syndrome, Hot Toys release a load of figures from current "hot" properties such as The Dark Knight and Iron man and so folks forget the rather crappy sculpts of years past.
Sideshow continues to release products from properties we all like, but have grown a little sick of (like Star Wars), and with it comes less respect for the product and the work that goes into it.
In the coming months, Sideshow could release figures that could leave Hot Toys licking up the dust, or maybe they'll just bow out completely, stop the 1/6th scale lines all togeather. Who knows?, personally i'd like them to keep going, i'm happy to fork out my coin to Sideshow for figures i actually DO like.
I love Sideshows SW line of 1/6th scales, i prefer them over the Japanese companies releases. And i also like Hot-Toys Iron Man series, which i do hope to get at some point in the future. I wont compare the two tho, two different companies with different artists, styles and techniques. To me its like compairing a work from Mozart to Amy Winehouse...(and no, its not ment that one company is Mozart and one is some drugged up hooker...just a term i use)
icruise
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Re: Sideshow could learn a thing or two from Hot Toys for SW
You don't think Ripley or Drake (the sculpt, not the paint) look anything like the actors? But the thing with the Aliens line is that they didn't have the rights to the actors' likenesses, so I'm actually surprised they got as close as they did. It's not a situation where they tried to capture a likeness and failed. Plus, they're older figures -- Hot Toys has improved dramatically since they put those out. I don't think anyone is saying that Hot Toys throughout their entire history has always been better than Sideshow.
You don't think Ripley or Drake (the sculpt, not the paint) look anything like the actors? But the thing with the Aliens line is that they didn't have the rights to the actors' likenesses, so I'm actually surprised they got as close as they did. It's not a situation where they tried to capture a likeness and failed. Plus, they're older figures -- Hot Toys has improved dramatically since they put those out. I don't think anyone is saying that Hot Toys throughout their entire history has always been better than Sideshow.
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Re: Sideshow could learn a thing or two from Hot Toys for SW
We can all miss quote m8
I take some of the points on board on 'sculpts' as has been pointed out, its only recently that HT have had home runs on likeness's
I also take the point about Star Wars not being flavour of the month compared to Ironman or TDK
Ive not heard one criticism of HT in the detail department all of their offerings that Im aware of have great attention to detail.
Can you forward me the SS internal document you have that states they want to leave the 12 inch market.
Or
Give me some fact based reasoning why youve come to this conclusion
Just so all us collectors collecting our 12 inch SS lines can make informed decisions to stop collecting them now, rather than have alot of incomplete collections, I mean we wouldnt want to make sweeping un founded statements now would we
Cun't myself!
We can all miss quote m8
I take some of the points on board on 'sculpts' as has been pointed out, its only recently that HT have had home runs on likeness's
I also take the point about Star Wars not being flavour of the month compared to Ironman or TDK
Ive not heard one criticism of HT in the detail department all of their offerings that Im aware of have great attention to detail.
Can you forward me the SS internal document you have that states they want to leave the 12 inch market.
Or
Give me some fact based reasoning why youve come to this conclusion
Just so all us collectors collecting our 12 inch SS lines can make informed decisions to stop collecting them now, rather than have alot of incomplete collections, I mean we wouldnt want to make sweeping un founded statements now would we
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Re: Sideshow could learn a thing or two from Hot Toys for SW
At the risk of sounding like a Hot Toys apologist, I really think that they get bad rap on this board when it comes to head sculpts. The Aliens line is always stated as the example, but as was mentioned above, there were legal issues involved with the actors' likenesses, so HT had to get creative. I personally feel that the Aliens sculpts are pretty good. Ripley and Drake pretty much just need repaints. Hicks, Hudson and Apone are cases of mix and match. Hudson came with a fairly decent Hicks sculpt, although the Stoner head is a dead on Hicks likeness. The original Hicks sculpt, I will admit is a bit off. Apone, is pretty off, but I think it bears more than a passing resemblance to Frost, and I used it on my Frost Custom.
As for other sculpts, HT has been putting out amazing likenesses on their Military line for some time, but alot of members here don't have much exposure to that line. In the past few years they've done: Wentworth Miller, Dominic Purcell, Terrance Howard, Edward Norton, Mark Walburg, Leonardo Dicaprio, Angelina Jolie, Jake Gyllenhall, Josh Duhamel, Russell Crowe, Jude Law, Wesley Snipes, Ashton Kutcher, Jean Reno, David Beckham, Eric Bana, Ewan McGregor and Viggo Mortensen among others and they are all spot on. They've also done versions of Christian Bale and Orlando Bloom for the Military line that were pretty decent. If you haven't seen some of these heads, then I really urge you to check them out and not use the Aliens line as your benchmark for Hot Toys' likenessses.
As for the breakage issue, well that just comes with the territory when you are dealing with such detailed items shrunk down to 1/6 scale. I think the tendency is to think of these like toys that you would get a Toys R Us. I look at them more like models and treat them as such.
At the risk of sounding like a Hot Toys apologist, I really think that they get bad rap on this board when it comes to head sculpts. The Aliens line is always stated as the example, but as was mentioned above, there were legal issues involved with the actors' likenesses, so HT had to get creative. I personally feel that the Aliens sculpts are pretty good. Ripley and Drake pretty much just need repaints. Hicks, Hudson and Apone are cases of mix and match. Hudson came with a fairly decent Hicks sculpt, although the Stoner head is a dead on Hicks likeness. The original Hicks sculpt, I will admit is a bit off. Apone, is pretty off, but I think it bears more than a passing resemblance to Frost, and I used it on my Frost Custom.
As for other sculpts, HT has been putting out amazing likenesses on their Military line for some time, but alot of members here don't have much exposure to that line. In the past few years they've done: Wentworth Miller, Dominic Purcell, Terrance Howard, Edward Norton, Mark Walburg, Leonardo Dicaprio, Angelina Jolie, Jake Gyllenhall, Josh Duhamel, Russell Crowe, Jude Law, Wesley Snipes, Ashton Kutcher, Jean Reno, David Beckham, Eric Bana, Ewan McGregor and Viggo Mortensen among others and they are all spot on. They've also done versions of Christian Bale and Orlando Bloom for the Military line that were pretty decent. If you haven't seen some of these heads, then I really urge you to check them out and not use the Aliens line as your benchmark for Hot Toys' likenessses.
As for the breakage issue, well that just comes with the territory when you are dealing with such detailed items shrunk down to 1/6 scale. I think the tendency is to think of these like toys that you would get a Toys R Us. I look at them more like models and treat them as such.
Re: Sideshow could learn a thing or two from Hot Toys for SW
I'm telling you that you're wrong. You can choose to believe it or not but I saw it in person and the stitching is not noticeable. In any pic things get blown up beyond what they really are and this is the case with the stitches.
Yeah, actually my mother works for one and you can read my post above. Thanks
I'm telling you that you're wrong. You can choose to believe it or not but I saw it in person and the stitching is not noticeable. In any pic things get blown up beyond what they really are and this is the case with the stitches.
Yeah, actually my mother works for one and you can read my post above. Thanks
cerealkeller
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Re: Sideshow could learn a thing or two from Hot Toys for SW
I love both companies. But in the end, Sideshow has the Star Wars license. Now I know a lot of folks are burnt on Star Wars, but I'm a lifelong fan and only got into collecting 12" when Jedi Luke got released. Changed my perspective on collectibles and collecting habits. Give SS time with the new bodies and I'm sure they will fix issues with loose joints. I do have an appreciation for Hot Toys. Their TDK line is fantastic. And if I had more $$, I would get IM too.
As far as SS leaving the 12" line: They just are now releasing figures with new bodies. Do you really think they would put all the money into developing new bodies just to release a handful of figures? No way.
And people are also forgetting the likeness of V1 Joker. I love the figure, but that's not Heath Ledger as the Joker sculpt wise. Why else are so many people willing to shell out more money for v2 when it's a costume seen for all of 6 minutes?
In the end, I love both companies, but SS will continue to get my money because they have the licenses for properties I love. I do kind of hope SS will start doing Marvel 12" figures one day.
I love both companies. But in the end, Sideshow has the Star Wars license. Now I know a lot of folks are burnt on Star Wars, but I'm a lifelong fan and only got into collecting 12" when Jedi Luke got released. Changed my perspective on collectibles and collecting habits. Give SS time with the new bodies and I'm sure they will fix issues with loose joints. I do have an appreciation for Hot Toys. Their TDK line is fantastic. And if I had more $$, I would get IM too.
As far as SS leaving the 12" line: They just are now releasing figures with new bodies. Do you really think they would put all the money into developing new bodies just to release a handful of figures? No way.
And people are also forgetting the likeness of V1 Joker. I love the figure, but that's not Heath Ledger as the Joker sculpt wise. Why else are so many people willing to shell out more money for v2 when it's a costume seen for all of 6 minutes?
In the end, I love both companies, but SS will continue to get my money because they have the licenses for properties I love. I do kind of hope SS will start doing Marvel 12" figures one day.
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Re: Sideshow could learn a thing or two from Hot Toys for SW
Something to keep in mind with the V1 Joker and TDK Bale sculpts is that they were done with limited reference material available to the sculptor and painter. This is why they redid them for the later releases. The movie had been released and they had much more material to work from.
Something to keep in mind with the V1 Joker and TDK Bale sculpts is that they were done with limited reference material available to the sculptor and painter. This is why they redid them for the later releases. The movie had been released and they had much more material to work from.
The Craw
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Re: Sideshow could learn a thing or two from Hot Toys for SW
Sideshow can just keep doing what they are doing. maybe i'm not picky but i like all their SW figures the way they are. well at least the ones i own. im not a completist. the only alteration i had done was a repaint to anakin. i just didnt like the dark lips. waay to noticeable.
Sideshow can just keep doing what they are doing. maybe i'm not picky but i like all their SW figures the way they are. well at least the ones i own. im not a completist. the only alteration i had done was a repaint to anakin. i just didnt like the dark lips. waay to noticeable.
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The Vader stitching is noticeable in person, but it's hardly glaring like in the pics.
The Vader stitching is noticeable in person, but it's hardly glaring like in the pics.
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Re: Sideshow could learn a thing or two from Hot Toys for SW
Both companies have the positives and their faults. Both have their hits and their misses. Look at The Joker for example. v1 is a great figure but that likeness ain't Ledger. BRJ on the other hand nails it beautifully. Luke for example has four completely different distinctive looks and two of them were sculpted by Mat Falls....maybe three...I don't really remember. Both have their fanboys and both will have people defending without fail so why bother? The two can coexist and if HT ever got the SW license I would be the first to stop the SSC line and go there but you can't deny the All-Stars of the SW especially with set ups like Jabba and awesome likenesses like Ben Obi-Wan and Palpatine...
Both companies have the positives and their faults. Both have their hits and their misses. Look at The Joker for example. v1 is a great figure but that likeness ain't Ledger. BRJ on the other hand nails it beautifully. Luke for example has four completely different distinctive looks and two of them were sculpted by Mat Falls....maybe three...I don't really remember. Both have their fanboys and both will have people defending without fail so why bother? The two can coexist and if HT ever got the SW license I would be the first to stop the SSC line and go there but you can't deny the All-Stars of the SW especially with set ups like Jabba and awesome likenesses like Ben Obi-Wan and Palpatine...
thenammagazine
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Exactly. I think it's funny how people are quick to compare companies yet consistently leave out the price comparisons. While I think there will always be room for improvement (across the board for all 12" companies), I also think that for the price, we're getting great products.
More hot air from someone who's PF biased, or is there actually proof behind your statement? Sure the LOTR line is shelved for the time being (fingers crossed), but more and more 12" figures are being pumped out in the Star Wars line. The Dead's line is picking up as well albeit variants - - but hardly the actions of a company looking to bail out of that line of products. Let's not forget the Indy and G.I. Joe 12" lines that are also in development. Both of which have had every figure offered Wait List.
To bail on the 12" line would cost Sideshow a considerable consumer base as it's the go-between from the smaller 3 3/4"+ action figures to the high priced Premium Formats. And while the PF's are admittedly nice (if the likeness is there - unlike the Zach Braff solo), if people don't like the particular pose, they're either stuck with it or have to pass. That's made even harder by the fact you're dropping two and three times as much on the PFs than on the 12" lines.
Exactly. I think it's funny how people are quick to compare companies yet consistently leave out the price comparisons. While I think there will always be room for improvement (across the board for all 12" companies), I also think that for the price, we're getting great products.
More hot air from someone who's PF biased, or is there actually proof behind your statement? Sure the LOTR line is shelved for the time being (fingers crossed), but more and more 12" figures are being pumped out in the Star Wars line. The Dead's line is picking up as well albeit variants -
- but hardly the actions of a company looking to bail out of that line of products. Let's not forget the Indy and G.I. Joe 12" lines that are also in development. Both of which have had every figure offered Wait List.To bail on the 12" line would cost Sideshow a considerable consumer base as it's the go-between from the smaller 3 3/4"+ action figures to the high priced Premium Formats. And while the PF's are admittedly nice (if the likeness is there - unlike the Zach Braff solo), if people don't like the particular pose, they're either stuck with it or have to pass. That's made even harder by the fact you're dropping two and three times as much on the PFs than on the 12" lines.
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Re: Sideshow could learn a thing or two from Hot Toys for SW
Dont forget about enterbay
Dont forget about enterbay
icruise
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Re: Sideshow could learn a thing or two from Hot Toys for SW
i'll have to agree with you there. For me and many others (I think), the 12" figures served as a sort of gateway drug for the more expensive lines. Without them, I wouldn't be collecting PFs or statues. So it probably is in Sideshow's best interest to keep making them in that sense. Unfortunately, the rising costs are making them less approachable than they used to be. I was very wary about spending $40 or $50 on a 12" figure in the very beginning, but I took the plunge. I would have had a lot more trouble if the price of admission had started at $70 or $90.
i'll have to agree with you there. For me and many others (I think), the 12" figures served as a sort of gateway drug for the more expensive lines. Without them, I wouldn't be collecting PFs or statues. So it probably is in Sideshow's best interest to keep making them in that sense. Unfortunately, the rising costs are making them less approachable than they used to be. I was very wary about spending $40 or $50 on a 12" figure in the very beginning, but I took the plunge. I would have had a lot more trouble if the price of admission had started at $70 or $90.
thenammagazine
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Especially now after mortgaging your life and promising that firstborn for those two life-sized droids, eh? Seriously though, with prices hiking across the board (Medi Indy $180?! - for that?!), so long as Sideshow keeps the prices reasonable, it should be not only a successful market for them, but a non-issue in staying.
Especially now after mortgaging your life and promising that firstborn for those two life-sized droids, eh?
Seriously though, with prices hiking across the board (Medi Indy $180?! - for that?!), so long as Sideshow keeps the prices reasonable, it should be not only a successful market for them, but a non-issue in staying.
icruise
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Re: Sideshow could learn a thing or two from Hot Toys for SW
I'm living proof that you can go from 12" figures to the most expensive items that Sideshow sells. (Well, I still won't be buying that $18,000 bronze Vader, but...)
I'm living proof that you can go from 12" figures to the most expensive items that Sideshow sells. (Well, I still won't be buying that $18,000 bronze Vader, but...)
thenammagazine
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Re: Sideshow could learn a thing or two from Hot Toys for SW
Now that's just downright being cheap!
Now that's just downright being cheap!
Re: Sideshow could learn a thing or two from Hot Toys for SW
Ahh Hot Toys vs. Sideshow again.
Hot Toys rules the 12'' figure department hands down. We all know this and Sideshow even recognizes it...why else would they collaborate with Hot Toys on so many upcoming and current products? They also mentioned they had gotten a lot of advice regarding the development of their 12'' figures from Howard Chan and crew.
Sideshow has taken a few hints from Hot Toys...most recently the new Obi-Wan Kenobi sculpt has the molded skin color INSTEAD of Sideshow's horrendous production paint jobs that ruin their sculpts. This is certainly a BIG step in the right direction. And I really hope this helps elevate Sideshow's head sculpt artists like Mr.Trevor Grove to take their sculpts to the Yulli and other HT artists-level (I'm talking skin pores, etc.) because NOW they can show that detail instead of being covered by crappy paint.
What Sideshow definitely needs to learn and test is the HT/Sideshow armored body's quality (and might as well check into it for the Prometheus as well). Sideshow has a bad habit of consistingly releasing figures with loose joints...perhaps its a matter of the plastic used, how they ultimately construct it, etc.... etc who knows really? But Sideshow certainly has to look into it because now they are beginning to scrape a price range where such oversights will NOT be forgiven. Anyone here going to give Sideshow a big thumbs up if their Darth Vader can't stand up on his own? Hell no.
Oh and I am sure that when Sideshow uses the HT/SS armored body, it is made at their factories and with their material specs...which are most likely not the same quality as Hot Toys.
Sideshow is new to the armored figure game, so this will be a learning experience for them and they are taking steps to stay in the 12'' figure game for now...I hope they manage to stay on track.
Ahh Hot Toys vs. Sideshow again.
Hot Toys rules the 12'' figure department hands down. We all know this and Sideshow even recognizes it...why else would they collaborate with Hot Toys on so many upcoming and current products? They also mentioned they had gotten a lot of advice regarding the development of their 12'' figures from Howard Chan and crew.
Sideshow has taken a few hints from Hot Toys...most recently the new Obi-Wan Kenobi sculpt has the molded skin color INSTEAD of Sideshow's horrendous production paint jobs that ruin their sculpts. This is certainly a BIG step in the right direction. And I really hope this helps elevate Sideshow's head sculpt artists like Mr.Trevor Grove to take their sculpts to the Yulli and other HT artists-level (I'm talking skin pores, etc.) because NOW they can show that detail instead of being covered by crappy paint.
What Sideshow definitely needs to learn and test is the HT/Sideshow armored body's quality (and might as well check into it for the Prometheus as well). Sideshow has a bad habit of consistingly releasing figures with loose joints...perhaps its a matter of the plastic used, how they ultimately construct it, etc.... etc who knows really? But Sideshow certainly has to look into it because now they are beginning to scrape a price range where such oversights will NOT be forgiven. Anyone here going to give Sideshow a big thumbs up if their Darth Vader can't stand up on his own? Hell no.
Oh and I am sure that when Sideshow uses the HT/SS armored body, it is made at their factories and with their material specs...which are most likely not the same quality as Hot Toys.
Sideshow is new to the armored figure game, so this will be a learning experience for them and they are taking steps to stay in the 12'' figure game for now...I hope they manage to stay on track.
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