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[TaliBane]

And Lucas held a tight rein over any material that was published: magazines, comics, the works. It wouldn't have seen print without Lucasfilm approval - and Lucasfilm was likely the source of most of the information in the poster mag.

Oh, and if TK-421 ain't a clone name, at the very least it's a human stripped of his individuality!

I'm sure George himself privately reviewed Galaxy's other "publications" and maintained a tight rein throughout.


It was such a great time for Star Wars fans - lots of wild speculation and theories in every mag in those years between SW and ROTJ - character origins and links, what led to what. The Prequels just didn't generate that type of intense fan conjecture about plot and character outcomes.

Oh, and if TK-421 ain't a clone name, at the very least it's a human stripped of his individuality!

**50 Cent tells him where to go in girlish voice**

 

[Asta]

And Lucas held a tight rein over any material that was published: magazines, comics, the works. It wouldn't have seen print without Lucasfilm approval - and Lucasfilm was likely the source of most of the information in the poster mag.

Agreed!

Agreed!

 

[Bo Shrek]

I have that Blue Snaggletooth!!

 

[Asta]

If the 1977 Stormtroopers were clones, why was the source genetic material only capable of shooting straight against Jawas?

 

[Prime Clone]

Agreed!

Yep, Jabba was a work in progress right up to the final cut. Marvel had to go with something! Same with Yoda in the ESB adaptation first run.

And Marvel editors will tell you how strict the Lucasfilm approvals process was.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Mosep Bineed as Jabba the Hutt. Didn't Marvel or Lucasfilm even justify the action by saying Bineed pretended to be Jabba and that Jabba knew nothing about it?

 

[Asta]

Will the Lucasian ret-conning never stop?

 

[Prime Clone]

I'm sure George himself privately reviewed Galaxy's other "publications" and maintained a tight rein throughout.

Nah, he probably only cared about the one that had "Star Wars" and "official" in the title.

But even if you don't accept the "Official Poster Monthly" as an "official" source, it still shows that speculation the Stormies were clones has been around from the start.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Will the Lucasian ret-conning never stop?

I love Binneed because he's the perfect example of the ever-evolving 'religion' that is STAR WARS... and it shows how whatever you think you know at the time can be quickly changed by a few sources.

Also, as a kid, that character (or mask) always caught my attention in STAR WARS and, because of the orange Imperial outfit, I was always fascinated with who he was and where he came from; thinking he might make up an entirely different section of the Empire.

 

[Asta]

I love Binneed because he's the perfect example of the ever-evolving 'religion' that is STAR WARS... and it shows how whatever you think you know at the time can be quickly changed by a few sources.

Also, as a kid, that character (or mask) always caught my attention in STAR WARS and, because of the orange Imperial outfit, I was always fascinated with who he was and where he came from; thinking he might make up an entirely different section of the Empire.

It implies that Han never met the real Jabba, and mistakes this humanoid for the genuine crime lord.

Yet he'd know what a Hutt looked like, and in that expanded universe known as the Prequel Trilogy Jabba himself makes a very public appearance.

It's a very thin plot device to turn the walrus into the 'embodiment' of his boss, who everybody refers to as if he was Jabba.

 

[Asta]

On the subject of the comics, there's a poster of Han and Luke in disguise with Chewie that I've been trying to find that I'm sure appeared in Star Wars Weekly #1.

It was the release of that comic that introduced me to Star Wars.

It may have been this image:



This set, therefore, is rich with nostalgia for me.

 

[Niltusk]

The TIE Armored spacesuit? So what does TIE stand for? In 1977 it was Twin Ion Engine.

I gotta say I find using an accidental bump on the head by an extra as proof that the stormtrooper is a Jango clone laughable.

That said, it was my understanding in 1977 that the stormtroopers were supposed to be clones. Various batches -- or at least two because there are only two different stormtrooper voices in STAR WARS.

Somewhere along the line, Lucas changed it to a mixed bag of recruits and clones.

Good points, people gonna believe stupid **** if it lines up with what they want.

 

[Prime Clone]

It implies that Han never met the real Jabba, and mistakes this humanoid for the genuine crime lord.

Yet he'd know what a Hutt looked like, and in that expanded universe known as the Prequel Trilogy Jabba himself makes a very public appearance.

It's a very thin plot device to turn the walrus into the 'embodiment' of his boss, who everybody refers to as if he was Jabba.

Weird they felt the need to retcon that - especially since the comic adaptation was redone for the Special Edition anyway.

 

[Asta]

Weird they felt the need to retcon that - especially since the comic adaptation was redone for the Special Edition anyway.

I don't know when they did that ret-con. Maybe before the Special Edition? But now it needs to be ret-conned again, or else Han is meeting two versions of Jabba at the same time in parallel universes!

 

[VintijDroidGutzz]

Has this been posted yet?
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Cool!

It's nice to see they picked up on that detail.

 

[cokebabies]

It's funny how the real Nazis had plenty of regular guys to put in uniform but Star Wars Nazis had to be cloned.

In SW when Kenobi talked about the Clone Wars it was so mysterious. Turns out it was literally clones fighting in wars.

I've got to offer up my nomination to Talibane for newest poster with the highest concentration of truth bombs in his posts.

 

[TaliBane]

Nah, he probably only cared about the one that had "Star Wars" and "official" in the title.

He cared so much he personally okayed a soft-core porn publisher to put it out.

Interestingly, fantasy/sci-fi and soft-core porn actually went together back in the 70's far more than it does today - maybe it was the Frazetta/"Barbarella"/"Heavy Metal" vibe.

But even if you don't accept the "Official Poster Monthly" as an "official" source, it still shows that speculation the Stormies were clones has been around from the start.

Conjecture that stormtroopers were robots got equal play back then.

The truth is, the clone idea makes little sense for the OT - full-helmet troops aside, every single other Imperial is an individual human. Not just all senior and mid-level officers, but all the way down to death star troopers, star destroyer pit crews, ATST drivers, shuttle pilots, and the basic Imp technicians you see everywhere throughout the OT.

Right?

On the other hand, from memory in the PT trilogy, every exposed Republic military face was a clone (though I haven't seen those movies since they came out.)

 

[K1NG J0RDAN]

On the subject of the comics, there's a poster of Han and Luke in disguise with Chewie that I've been trying to find that I'm sure appeared in Star Wars Weekly #1.

It was the release of that comic that introduced me to Star Wars.

It may have been this image:



This set, therefore, is rich with nostalgia for me.

Would be incredible to have them posed like that in the detolf

 

[momaw]

From a purely tactical stand, Stormtroopers being clones makes zero sense.

Star Wars (the actual film, not some tabloid rag) clearly etablished the Empire kept an iron grip over the systems under it's control. The best way to do that is to take their people, indoctrinate them into the empire way of thinking and turn them back as Imperial Stormtroopers to keep the others in line. The idea that the Empire spends so much of it's resources cloning troops when it has manpower sitting idle on thousands of world is ludicrous. Not only is it a waste, but it leaves worlds with the manpower to turn in open rebellion against the empire itself vastly outnumbering the Empire forces.

If the Empire derived the majority of it's power from a cloned army, the focus of the rebellion would have been on taking out the cloning facilities yet we heard nothing whatsoever about such a high value target.

The creation of a clone army made sense in the world of the PT. But by the time you get to the OT, it's a wasteful exercise that leaves the Empire extremely vulnerable to mass revolt and rebellion far beyond the scale depicted in the OT.

 

[Asta]

Oh, and if TK-421 ain't a clone name, at the very least it's a human stripped of his individuality!

...a theme continued from THX 1138.

After the skirmish in the Detention Block control office the imperial on the end of the comlink asks Han, "What's your operating number?"

The emotionless chatter you hear around the Death Star is also reminiscent of the ad-libbed chatter that Lucas used in THX 1138, reinforcing the idea of the rigid authoritarian bureaucracy.