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Funny enough, both InArt and HT both started out of the gate with Joker.

HT could drown InArt simply by making Star Wars, MCU and Indiana Jones Artisan figures going forward.

China don’t give a crap about SW and Indiana jones though. And interest in MCU has been waning that anything that’s not iron man, it’s DOA. I think that’s why HT got the Kamen rider license because KR is pretty popular there (also probably to keep IA from snatching the IP)…you can only cater to the western audience so much.
 
China don’t give a crap about SW and Indiana jones though. And interest in MCU has been waning that anything that’s not iron man, it’s DOA. I think that’s why HT got the Kamen rider license because KR is pretty popular there (also probably to keep IA from snatching the IP)…you can only cater to the western audience so much.
Agreed. I’ve nearly sold through almost all of my MCU figures. I’ve just got 2 Caps (Rescue and EG), Winter Soldier (CA: TWS), Red Skull (mostly b/c of the great Hugo Weaving sculpt, the black coat is cracking all over the place though) and custom EG Mk85. I go back and forth on wanting to sell those as well, though.
 
I have the Inart deluxe and now the Hot Toys artisan preordered so for me it's an especially great time to be a collector.

Some people that support Inart now sound a lot like those that supported Hot Toys in their early years.
Those same people will probably resent Inart in 10 years for the same reasons and support whatever new company pops up :lol
 
We don’t know their process for these two releases, it could be completely different than any other projects they have their hands in, in fact, it probably will be. When’s the last time Howard came on a video eager to show off every detail about a figure a year in advance, biting IA? Sure, it’s business, you have to sell your audience on the product they just bought from someone else somehow. These being numbered is all the evidence you need, I hear all over this forum how people are noticing leaps in quality and matching prototypes as well as listening to the community and making adjustments prior to release. He wants to do more than stay afloat in this market, he’s not just gonna go sell real estate because IA came on the scene.

How can one be a shill when I own both the IA deluxe, HT artisan, and multiple custom projects going on also? I can’t lose either way dude.

I’m not saying you’re a shill…but what’s your angle with this reply?

Ever since IA stepped into the ring, HT upped their game and in an obvious way (or not so obvious, depending on how much of a HT fan someone is), they essentially admitted that for the past 10 years they’ve been “lazy” and released subpar figures. Re-releases, recycled portraits, ONE-OUT-OF-15-CAPTAIN AMERICA’S-HAS-TRAPS…but that doesn’t matter anymore because NOWWWWW they’re listening to feedback and these past 10 years of mid quality, ignoring feedback has been thanos snapped into non existence…am I reading that right? I know that’s not what you said, but your reply is telling me “trust me, H.Chan and team are gonna knock this outta the park…”

Maybe they will, maybe they won’t. I’m not as optimistic. I’m happy you have something to look forward to, but Chan had so many opportunities to get things right for me as a consumer and have failed many times over.

Chan coming “out of the shadows” along with “someone from the HK EFFIN FILM INDUSTRY” to present their joker (which wasn’t made in house) reeks of so much petty desperation that if my eyes rolled back any further, I’m gonna need the priest from “the exorcist” to compel the crap outta me.

HT unfortunately has the brand name and recognition power. They’re nigh immune to negative feedback. For every 100 people that complain about a certain figure they produced, you have another 100 that SWEAR it’s the best figure they’ve had the HONOR of owning. What does this mean? It means:

This figure WILL NOT arrive in time. 100 People will complain and 100 people will say be patient.

This figure comes out and it’s 90% of the prototype. 100 people will complain and 100 people will slap their family if they said it doesn’t look like a $500 figure.

Chan and Co. will continue on their merry ways because once again, HT are immune to MOB backlash.

EDIT- btw, the ‘alterations’ you mentioned…

Which figure are you talking about? Not Battiinson right? Because those alterations came AFTER IA revealed their Battinson.

Fan feedback had NOTHING to do with that.

I think it’s less that people have “goodwill” and more a sense that Howard’s kind of obligated to deliver after thumping on his chest like a gorilla. It’s not an accident that every Hot Toys release now has rolling eyes and that we’re getting these Artisan figures. It’s the same crap he pulled when Enterbay started making 1/4 scale figures. Then, Howard did until EB shifted focus towards sports stuff before seemingly vanishing from the face of the earth.

The way I see it, as long as InArt stays in business, HT’s gonna have to put up or shut up, lest they become a laughing stock. I don’t care how “culty” their fan base is, if Howard consistently ***** the bed while other companies pick up the slack and make great products, it might not be swift, but, at some point, it will affect his bottom line and people will start moving in other directions. That’s just the free market.

To my mind, I feel like production is the reason these guys *are* so limited. I think it’s Howard wanting to compete with the big boys and not wanting to bite off more than he can chew before he knows he can deliver and 4,000, or whatever the hell the actual numbers are, is a nice, manageable production run to work out the kinks. Either way it goes, I’m very curious to see how the situation develops.


Nah, IMO, this “limited” fiasco is all to drive up hype. They have the resources to make more but chose not to. If a new, relatively smaller company like IA had a 3 day window (or more) for PO’s…almighty “king” HT can only offer a 30 min window??

Sole purpose is to try and bring the “attention” and “focus” back to HT. Get media outlets to talk about it and those HT diehards are like “OH MAH GAWD! ITS LIMITED TO ONLY 4000!!”

It’s like the pretty girl in H.S.

For 3 years she was the talk of the school. Then by the 4th year, a new hot transfer student has become the talk of the town. Old girl gets petty and jealous and to make everyone pay attention to her, she wears more revealing outfits.
 
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I have the Inart deluxe and now the Hot Toys artisan preordered so for me it's an especially great time to be a collector.

Some people that support Inart now sound a lot like those that supported Hot Toys in their early years.
Those same people will probably resent Inart in 10 years for the same reasons and support whatever new company pops up :lol
Greed does that to companies/people
 
I have the Inart deluxe and now the Hot Toys artisan preordered so for me it's an especially great time to be a collector.

Some people that support Inart now sound a lot like those that supported Hot Toys in their early years.
Those same people will probably resent Inart in 10 years for the same reasons and support whatever new company pops up :lol


I will resent them if their 5th version of Cavil Superman doesn’t have traps and has the same headsculpt from the 1st version 🤣

I’ll say it again, I support IA because they evolving the 1/6 format. But if 5-10 years from now and they start repeating all the things I resent HT for…yeah I’ll resent IA too.
 
Inart was smart by doing Joker as a 1st figure....

They saw the demand and knew it would create a buzz, the debate on " can this new company deliver?" And they did! It created a buzz in the hobby I haven't seen for a while. Then Howard started paying attention.

People giving them **** for taking ages ( a year) what they delivered in a year was an incredible experience! Mean while Hot toys are taking 1-2 years to bring out subpar figures with tacky accessories like that god awful doc brown.

Yup! It went up for PO in 2022. They said it’ll release end of 2022.

And it did. Granted it was in batches. But they delivered on that promise. So it’s a bit of a head scratcher when people say IA are slow to releasing their figures or slow to revealing more.

Its like…damn yo, you JUST PO’d The Batman, Gandalf, Aragorn, Pennywise a FEW MONTHS ago…relax. Like…where were all those complaints when a regular HT figure is TWO YEARS away??
 
We all know Hot Toys has slacked, they’re the most respected company in the hobby, doesn’t matter if I like them or if you do, it is what it is. Time may change that, it usually does. They’re pioneers regardless of their track record. The Artisan Joker is my first HT purchase since BR 2.0, Dx11 SE, DX12 so I don’t back their company like you may have thought.

I imagine it’s extremely difficult to run a company in a hobby as picky as this for so long without any complaints. We don’t know about consistency with IA yet, we have one set right now. It makes more sense in that aspect to have more faith in a bite back from HTs than not. They have the resources to eliminate opposition, case in point EB. Not saying that’ll happen to IA, I don’t want it to. But one thing is clear, they’re not going to stop this, it’s full speed ahead, they sold off the lot in 30 minutes.
They didn’t even have to add all of the flashy accessories like IA did to do it either.
 
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At least the jokers come with some extras, the new anakin only has the new sculpt and hair going for it, otherwise it is a complete rehash of the previous ones, minus things like a custom stand like dark side anakin had. And still pleather. Not a fan of all the exrtas but the swap out way they're handling togue vs teeth rather then pay for an extra headsculpt is quite innovative.
 
We all know Hot Toys has slacked, they’re the most respected company in the hobby, doesn’t matter if I like them or if you do, it is what it is. Time may change that, it usually does. They’re pioneers regardless of their track record. The Artisan Joker is my first HT purchase since BR 2.0, Dx11 SE, DX12 so I don’t back their company like you may have thought.

I imagine it’s extremely difficult to run a company in a hobby as picky as this for so long without any complaints. We don’t know about consistency with IA yet, we have one set right now. It makes more sense in that aspect to have more faith in a bite back from HTs than not. They have the resources to eliminate opposition, case in point EB. Not saying that’ll happen to IA, I don’t want it to. But one thing is clear, they’re not going to stop this, it’s full speed ahead, they sold off the lot in 30 minutes.
They didn’t even have to add all of the flashy accessories like IA did to do it either.
I tend to try and divorce myself from my biases and just…enjoy what I like. I get why people are all in on InArt. Same reason people love Rocky: we all want to root for the underdog and it was a breath of fresh air to see somebody enter the arena and genuinely give a **** about the product that they’re putting out. At the same time, I love this figure, was happy and relieved to get my pre-order in, and am cautiously optimistic enough that I’m probably going to sell off my IA 2-pack soon. That’s not me saying “**** InArt.” I still have a rooted Battinson with the signal on order and I have no desire to change it, it’s just that this Joker fits my tastes and what I want in my collection better.

And that goes both ways. If, in a year, IA announces a new two-pack with a toothy, grinning head, some scaffolding to hang him upside down from, and re-used those wonderful magnetic forearms with a super smeared interrogation room sculpt, I’d probably be saying the same thing about the Hot Toys Artisan Edition. Either way, I’m elated that we’re living in an age where that’s even an option. I don’t want Howard to kill InArt in the crib and, despite my cynicism and disappointment with them over the years, I don’t want InArt to put Hot Toys out of business, either. I just want to see how this hobby evolves and buy cool **** that interests me for the first time in a great many years.
 
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We all know Hot Toys has slacked, they’re the most respected company in the hobby, doesn’t matter if I like them or if you do, it is what it is. Time may change that, it usually does. They’re pioneers regardless of their track record. The Artisan Joker is my first HT purchase since BR 2.0, Dx11 SE, DX12 so I don’t back their company like you may have thought.

I imagine it’s extremely difficult to run a company in a hobby as picky as this for so long without any complaints. We don’t know about consistency with IA yet, we have one set right now. It makes more sense in that aspect to have more faith in a bite back from HTs than not. They have the resources to eliminate opposition, case in point EB. Not saying that’ll happen to IA, I don’t want it to. But one thing is clear, they’re not going to stop this, it’s full speed ahead, they sold off the lot in 30 minutes.
They didn’t even have to add all of the flashy accessories like IA did to do it either.

Firstly, I hope you don’t take my reply as any kind of attack. I just wanna make that clear 😁 if it came off that way, apologies.

Secondly, we’re all aware HT are going full speed. 2 artisan PO’s a day apart is calculated from their end. As I said before, artificial scarcity is a big factor in generating hype. a REALLY limited production run, add their brand name on top of that and yeah, it’s no surprise it sold out in 30 mins., despite not including the bells and whistles like IA’s. Which proves another point of mine: people will eat it up because it’s joker and it’s from HT.

I mean look at the amount of resistance and resentment IA put up with when they revealed their joker! I bet you HALF OR MORE of artisan joker’s PO’s came from those HT bootlickers.

And honestly, given how HT recent reveals have shown improvement goes to show that…it’s really not that hard to run that company. I mean, just point your finger at the portrait and say “not good. Do it again”.
 
I tend to try and divorce myself from my biases and just…enjoy what I like. I just want to see how this hobby evolves and buy cool **** that interests me for the first time in a great many years.
Exactly bro, I don’t care about this brand that brand. I want the best and will try every version of it if it looks the part, I’m invested in all three at the moment. (IA HT custom) I might be with you in selling the Inart, the body and tailoring just seems more accurate here. Same goes for the weathering, if it comes out like this in production it’s a win.

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But I am glad to have IA here, what does it matter to me anyways? I’ll only buy 2 characters from IA whenever they continue to make them, same goes for HT. I tend to go the minimalist display route with a pair of white detolfs with cool white led strips one figure per shelf, stood up on a pair of bestas. My display isn’t fit for mass consumption. That doesn’t mean others have to go in the same direction as me, that’s why we have stuff to chat about.
 
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@batfan08 Completely agree. I want to see IA hang around for sure but I have no bad feelings toward HT either. I have a collection room filled with awesome, 1/6 scale works of art that I’ve gathered over the last 18yrs thanks to HT. They’ve produced some stinkers over the years but considering the shear volume of what they’ve put out that’s no surprise.

I’ll continue to buy what I prefer whether that’s IA, HT, SS, Mars Toys or whoever wants to jump on the crazy train along the way. I’m happy to see HT change things up to make sure IA doesn’t take all the business. I look forward to see what IA continues to do so that they can remain in the game with HT.
 
I’m fine with crotch/waist grabbers. I understand ppl want something less obtrusive, but given how much these cost (with prices rising), I’d rather have them secured from falling over and the risk of extra damage in lieu of no crotch/waist grabber.

If InArt updates how they do the magnets on future releases I can get on board with them, but as it stands, I don’t care for the magnets yet. If I wanted the 1/6 figures I buy to be pretty much forced into one place one a base, I’d buy statues exclusively
I think we just need to move to clear acrylic rods with scoop holders over the wire based ones. Clear with a clear base is far less intrusive.
 
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