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I said this once before. This is one of those cases where the figure represents the character pretty well, but not the actor. The proportions are not correct for Arnold. The head is definitely way too big and the neck mod is a must. Just about anybody who lifts is going to have a neck as wide as their head and certainly Arnold should at the very least.

The sculpt itself is just too soft to be a good representation of Schwarzenegger. There are other issues with the figure, but nothing you can't live with. I have five, so obviously the figure is worth having. People like myself, P., a-dev, and a few others kinda live and breathe Terminator, so we tend to be more critical. The figure deserved better, but it shouldn't keep anyone from owning one.
 
I re-posted the pic, because I couldn`t bother scan the same pic I have from a magazine from roughly 1987. Maybe you don`t realize this, based on your comment, but I assumed you had... but that`s a pic of Arnold, NOT the figure. So your points about the shoulder pads and such, didn`t make any sense considering the pic is the actual person.
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in your attempts to prove something now you try to say that i post a pic of a person and think it's a figure.

so once again:
1) there is NO photo of 1984 Schwarzenegger where he would look as small and thin as the figure does.
2) the figure does look ridiculous because it features the body same size as all other terminator figures but a head 1.5 times bigger.
3) MMS136 fit the T1 good enough, MMS136-sized body was already too big for MMS117/DX10/DX13 (T2 representations)
4) the only photo i posted was there to show the achieved sizes/shapes similarity between actor and modded figure in same clothes.
5) and modded figure is a lot bigger in torso/neck/shoulders area than stock figure, still having same width from shoulder to shoulder
6) modded figure fits the photo that you think to be an example of a small man photo while it is an illusion due to shadows, pads & so on, changing the silhouette.
7) stock figure won't fit even that photo, and it will never fit any others.
8) that's why you cannot find such photos.
Pics like this make me feel fine with the unmodified size of the various Arnie figures
there are no "pics like this" because "pic like this" equals modded proportions and not stock MMS238 proportions.
 
I't not about proving anything. Pardon my confusion. Under the pic, your very first point said "1) shoulder pads change the figure there completely,".
So naturally, I would assume you think the pic is of the figure. As I mentioned, I have a magazine with that exact picture that I bought in high school back in @1987, so again, maybe I'm misinterpreting, but I don't know what you mean by "those pics don't exist". I'm still not sure what the "small man" reference is... straight out of box, that figure is no "small man", or regular-sized guy. Maybe you're huge and ripped, so that body wouldn't impress you.
As I said before, some of you have some awesome Terminators and custom character figures. I wasn't commenting on anyone's figures, or custom work. I was just happy that someone posted that particular pic, and giving credit for it. What I meant by "everyone sees what they want to see", is that some want a Terminator that is gigantic (both in height and mass), so that figure looks too small. Some people only have figures of less muscular characters (Spiderman, or Jack Sparrow, or whoever) and would be pleasantly happy with the size of MMS238. Some people want exact movie accuracy. Whatever you want will change your perspective. You think this one is bobble-headed, I think one of the T2 figures (won't say which, not starting a new debate) is a little pin-headed.
 
yep he had the smallest head (and the BD MMS136 head).

I was just happy that someone posted that particular pic, and giving credit for it.
i'm saying it now for the third or fourth part - "that particular pic" doesn't fit the toy's (will use this word to be clear) proportions. i posted that pic of an actor to show it fitting the toy's shape after adding neck, trapezius and chest (and back, but it isn't seen on that particular photo.
so, you see, you saying "that photo shows the toy is ok" is another way around, because it specifically shows how not ok is the toy. and that is the photo with opctical illusion. others don't even give that effect.

but i cannot show it in a row (almost don't have unmodded bodies), only by comparing in pairs. i'll get a set to make a new terminator in several weeks and will make such row for myself.

for now:

modded toy versus actor:

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another photo of the same actor at the same time but from the front and without shoulder pads, showing the size of the torso/trapezius:

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(they have different camera angle, different arms-to-torso angle and different position of shirt's sleeves on shoulders)

behind the scenes with other crew including Columbu:

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stock body/head proportions:

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i hope you don't inform me now that Arnold used male push-ups in first movie.

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you should (or shouldn't?) also check the "Guardians of the galaxy" thread where people are very disappointed with first attempts for a Drax body - and i understand them (though the only way i know about who that is is because everybody named him in Ripley thread as another example of wanted figure, and i had to check what it is about). and the starting body there wasn't even normal, it was already huge. but it missed certain groups of muscles - size & shape - which led to a very wrong representation of the movie character. same here.
of course it means that people became more demanding. but i don't think they are wrong. they are right. we pay fair money for a good movie model - but when it is not good, money is not fair. prices of HT let the buyers be demanding. everybody who says "look how far they went since 200*s" should also remember prices being 3-5 times smaller.

so long story short, somebody says that the figure demands fixing and can be fixed - you pay attention only to the first part, seeing it as talking people out of buying it, while it's the second part that is important: help for everybody who thinks about getting it but is disappointed with how it is made.

there are problems that can be fixed only by professionals: tailors, sculpters, painters.
there are problems that can be fixed by everybody.
but they don't stop being problems. accepting everything as it is is a little... well, let's just say that i live in a country where it is people's credo (doing nothing and often saying that we live like everybody should, and all others simply envy us) - and it brings very stinky results.

as for the "bobblehead" people often say, including me - it's not that the head is big. it's that the head/body proportions are wrong. not simpler than that. not the small body. not the big head. it's more complex - the torso shape and size is wrong.
i tried to compare head to arms and boots once, the ratio seemed ok.
 

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P., could you explain that all just one more time. LOL, just kidding. Some people just are not going to get it. Let them be happy with what they have. The important thing is we all love Terminator.
 
When is Hot Toys going to make a proper Police Shootout 3.0 so I can throw this one in the trash.
 
P... I guess what you're not getting, is I don't actually care why you posted the pic. Just using the pic for my own reference and for anyone else who didn't mod their figure. I do get what you're saying, but I don't 100% agree, and I don't have to.
Clearly, you didn't read my first post. I said the pic made ME feel better about MY unmodified figure. Crikey, enough already...
 
yep, i don't get why you use a photo of an actor a lot bulkier than MMS238 to say that MMS238 is ok :)
 
Anyway I still love the fig, yeah its not perfect but what in this world is.

Just dropping in here - it's a red hot discussion you have here so I'm not going to be involved too much... ;-)
I own both the mms136 and the mms238 and while it might not be something I'm too upset about I find it quite weird and maybe plain lazy that you can make the figure right the first time and then later so wrong. As P. says we pay A LOT for these figures and apparently HT knows how Arnies body looks as they did it right with the mms136 and then despite of that releases the mms238 with a much smaller body - from the same movie. So though I'm definitely not as upset about it as some here I still find it lazy for the amounts we pay for these things. I know that Hot Toys is not Nestle or Coca Cola, but they probably get enough in to get something as essential as body proportions close to right.... With that said I also understand the urge to just skip looking at the flaws and focus on the pros. Right now I'm at that point with the Ripley figure - just because I want it so bad. Just my two cents.
 
...one more thing. Maybe the more standard size body was the price we paid for an unusual big amount of accessories.
...and all this has probably been said by others before me.
 
it's not smaller body or standart size body oO
it is almost similar to MMS136 ( 238 has rounder back, flatter chest, anatomically incorrect shape of neck and some small differences).
and 136 didn't look like Arnold, it only fit his size when in jacket. rumors are their Commando body is done with a lot more attention to Schwarzenegger shape of those days. i don't have one. (neither Commando toy nor Schwarzenegger shape hehe)
 
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...one more thing. Maybe the more standard size body was the price we paid for an unusual big amount of accessories.
...and all this has probably been said by others before me.

Compared to the likes of the T-1000 from back in the day it was a weak set accessories-wise. However if you compare it the most recent Terminator, Pops T-800, yeah it was a good set.

As for the body - it's basically the DX10 body - the problem with that is twofold as I see it.

1) The DX10 body was good for Arnie's smaller size in T2, not T1
2) By yet again increasing the size of the headsculpts they widened the disparity even more. The body was already ill-suited to T1 proportions. Now an even larger head made the body look even tinier again. Just a terrible combination.

When Hot Toys designed the DX10 body for T2 Arnie I thought it was evidence of their recognition that Arnie was smaller in T2 than in T1 and adjusted the body accordingly when making a new T2 figure. However, the fact they used pretty much that same body for a later T1 figure demonstrates that it was probably just a happy accident for DX10. They weren't being deliberate. They thought one size body suits all.

And that's just size, without even getting into the specific shapes where they should be as I think P. is bringing up aswell.

This isn't me arguing against Sardo Numpsa by the way. I don't begrudge him his happiness with the stock figure. I'm aiming at the converted here really.
 
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now let's conclude this with traditional IronMan hate - it sucks all resources from HT :lol

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(i believe that pic is very outdated already and should be expanded thrise)
 
On the bright side, I had the recast 136 heads and they were smaller than the orginal hot toys heads they were cast from. (Shrinkage)
Maybe one day we will see a recast 238 head that has shrunk in the process.
(Although it would probably have to be a third generation recast to get it small enough)
 
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