1/6 Hot Toys-The Terminator (T1)-MMS 238-T-800-(Battle Damaged Version) 1/6 Scale Figure

[Jameson Rook]

yep almost all my MMS238s have beefed chests, backs, trapezius, necks, jacket shoulders and shirt throats. you can compare your figure without shirt/jacket to similar photos of mine above and see yourself.

i'm surprised you've never met these pics - they seem to be the only reference online where things can be seen clearly enough:

Thank you! But I already have those pics. I was thinking maybe the pants. Maybe I'll just use my imagination.

Nice work! The BD head was way too clean and pink to look like this.

Thanks Pliss. I still need a lot of work to do on the figure. The head needs to be paler, the neck needs blood, the eye bag has to be more purple and if you look closely, there are veins on the ripped off flesh. Overall, I'm quite surprised how the figure is "generally" based on that sculpt rather than getting as close as they possibly could.

 

[P.]

I was thinking maybe the pants. Maybe I'll just use my imagination.

pants heavily torn, boots smashed, i also added a piece of thick paper clip sticking out of a boot to mimic the broken hydraulics.

there is also this art

that looks cool and also gives hints about knee exposed which i achieved with legs from DX13 figure that needed intact pants (the gas grenade launcher scene). it totally fit what i always suspected after watching terminator flying under the truck frame by frame - metal in the leg flashes once there.

and of course don't forget about a dark blood shot in his right hip. it's seen when he leaves the motel room with assault rifle on the shoulder.

i don't do anything just yet because i have to mix a proper color of dark red. it shouldn't be fresh red blood, as the terminator is already rotting by that time. bright red (or worse - unnatural cherry red if color was chosen inappropriately) just kills everything from what i've seen.

 

[Jameson Rook]

Thanks P, that was really useful. Looks like there is quite a lot of work to be done for the accurate BD look and I really need to study the movie some more before I decide to tear up the pants. Cleaning up and increasing exposure on the blu ray would probably help a lot, as it did with my TSCC Cameron BD.

 

[Jameson Rook]

Also, what did you do to make the 238 body bulkier and did you ported the DX13 knee to the 238?

 

[P.]

i took his flesh vest off and simulated muscles underneath with cotton and electric tape, then put the flesh back. also made extra shoulder pads inside the jacket and spread the t-shirt's throat so it would hang freely like in the movie. made a detailed instruction with photos a (long) while ago here.
and yes i took full BD figure and DX13 figure and exchanged their legs.

 

[P.]

i didn't like how they just put "holes" in a visible order like on a chess plate, but you repeated that effect wonderfully.

 

[a-dev]

They sure shot her to ***t....and if memory serves she wasn't even killing anyone.

 

[P.]

They sure shot her to ***t....

...and wasted all tax money spent on their target practicing.
just remember T2 who had flesh peeled off the middle of his chest by repeated shots into one place.

 

[Jameson Rook]

i took his flesh vest off and simulated muscles underneath with cotton and electric tape, then put the flesh back. also made extra shoulder pads inside the jacket and spread the t-shirt's throat so it would hang freely like in the movie. made a detailed instruction with photos a (long) while ago here.
and yes i took full BD figure and DX13 figure and exchanged their legs.

Thanks! I certainly can try something like that when I get my second 238 and do them simultaneously. Great advice!

i didn't like how they just put "holes" in a visible order like on a chess plate, but you repeated that effect wonderfully.

...and wasted all tax money spent on their target practicing.
just remember T2 who had flesh peeled off the middle of his chest by repeated shots into one place.

Well, she was zig zagging from corridor to corridor while the T2 T-800 was literally walking towards the line of SWAT fire but yeah, she gets the award for "most shot up Terminator".

They sure shot her to ***t....and if memory serves she wasn't even killing anyone.

I honestly think it sucks that "good Terminators" can't kill, I get why but it makes no sense that Uncle Bob didn't killed the bikers in the bar. That's why I LOVE when Cameron killed Enrique from T2 for or this scene where she shot the 3 punks because they were a security threat.

 

[a-dev]

I honestly think it sucks that "good Terminators" can't kill, I get why but it makes no sense that Uncle Bob didn't killed the bikers in the bar. That's why I LOVE when Cameron killed Enrique from T2 for or this scene where she shot the 3 punks because they were a security threat.

I don't think it really makes sense for even 'bad' Terminators to kill random people. It draws attention. Hey T-800, you know a good way to avoid the authorities who could jeopardise your mission? Don't create a trail of dead bodies for them to follow and come after you.

 

[Jameson Rook]

I don't think it really makes sense for even 'bad' Terminators to kill random people. It draws attention. Hey T-800, you know a good way to avoid the authorities who could jeopardise your mission? Don't create a trail of dead bodies for them to follow and come after you.

Very true. I meant that killing people that will be an obvious threat to it's mission. As a fan, I'll overlook that the T-800 killed Ginger's boyfriend or the gun store owner or that the T1000 killed harmless the truck driver.

 

[P.]

I don't think it really makes sense for even 'bad' Terminators to kill random people. It draws attention. Hey T-800, you know a good way to avoid the authorities who could jeopardise your mission? Don't create a trail of dead bodies for them to follow and come after you.

hey T-800, you know a good way to make all authorities know about you? leave a trail of witnesses of your actions, appearance and goals.

though actually it will be "you know a good way to do what you never did in a world you know nothing about and care zero about? do what you do best."

As a fan, I'll overlook that the T-800 killed Ginger's boyfriend

witness/attacker

or the gun store owner

witness

or that the T1000 killed harmless the truck driver.

by that time he gained self-aware personality - angry one.

 

[a-dev]

hey T-800, you know a good way to make all authorities know about you? leave all witnesses of your actions, appearance and goals alive.

So Uncle Bob was supposed kill every single person in that bar to cover for him stealing some guys clothes? How would he even do that? He couldn't possibly. And if he even kills one guy then he has to kill them all - to eliminate all witnesses right?

 

[Jameson Rook]

This is why we have a general Terminator thread now. There are so many compelling opinions, and not so compelling such that guy saying Genesys was the best of them all. God rest his soul.

 

[a-dev]

I'm not sure I actually refuted P.'s point there. P's point was a good one. It makes me want to look at all the Terminator's kills and consider if he needed to do it.

However I do think I established a good reason why Uncle Bob killed no one at the bar in T2...there was too many people. On the principle of leaving no witnesses he would have needed to kill all of them but some would undoubtedly escape and the ones who stayed to fight could have damaged his human camouflage before he even found John Connor. So it was better to have a few people witness him merely stealing a guy's clothes and his motorcyle....even that would surely be reported, but maybe not pursued quite as earnestly as if he murdered a bunch of people.

 

[P.]

So Uncle Bob was supposed kill every single person in that bar to cover for him stealing some guys clothes?

he shouldn't even be there from the beginning. why does a terminator look for clothes? to blend in. so he has a concept of people reacting bad to naked people. then what the hell did he do there, in a crowd of people reacting bad to naked people? that's an enormous logic hole in the script.
of course if he just killed everyone, it will be almost ok. almost - because i guess 1994 already had security cameras which he had to spot and never enter that bar at all. and actually that movie had to take a completely different direction right from the beginning, as all morning news and wallpapers tell a story about a naked man of enormous strength, immune to any damages and having no feelings.
that bar entrance was as stupid as it only could be from the point of logic, like it was T3 and not T2.

well i see you just wrote the same scenario from another point of view - from inside the movie and not outside.
still it's stupid for a terminator to enter a place full of people (he should have understood that by the number of cars and bikes outside) just to get a way of hiding from those people.
to attract attention to avoid attention. it even sounds stupid.
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on another hand... reprogramming a terminator VERBALLY was what resistance had to do, and it was their first attempt. no wonder they made him a little ********
now T1 speaking freely and T2 making dumb statements sounds even logical.

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jokes aside, i have two variants for T2's "kindness" in the beginning.
a) no matter what intentions T2 entered that bar with, he should have quickly changed his plans, seeing how freely people sit there, laughing at him, and (supposedly) how hidden cameras monitor him. and that's where a-dev's scenario is executed. in a bit too aggressive way, but the cyborg couldn't come up with any softer plan including "pleeeease" words.
b) i wonder how smart/dumb a terminator is when he awakens. it's a learning artificial intelligence, right, but in what state does it sleep in rows in skynet's undergrounds? what does it already know? it should at least already know how to control the body, so it had to take simulation lessons while remaining bodyless - but what does it actually think? i wouldn't wonder if both terminators, being just woken up, don't know, think, understand much yet. they are like being born into real world from simulated sleep.
and T2, unlike T1, should already have spent some time among humans in future (they had to check him, program him, tell him some stories, walk him to the TDE and so on). what if he didn't expect hostility from big numbers of humans, as first humans he saw were in numbers and didn't attack him?

 

[a-dev]

I dunno man, I think that's trying too hard to fault T2.

I'm going to sleep. It's so late it's early.

 

[P.]

I dunno man, I think that's trying too hard to fault T2.

the only thing that is hard is justifyingT2, because Cameron failed it in every aspect himself, being greedy and trying to please housewives and kids with that dull flashy fancy plot-holed remake of T1
anyway, your question was "what should T2 do in the bar from the logic of not failing his mission" and my answer is "he shouldn't even enter there by that logic".

 

[a-dev]

The point I'm making is I could pick a number of things the T1 T-800 should or shouldn't have done if I wanted to dismantle that film. Does it make the film crap? No. In fact it makes the film more enjoyable for not doing what it really ought to have done.

One of the major sequences of T1 shouldn't have happened - the assault on the police station - how could the T-800 guarantee his target wouldn't escape that situation via who knows how many exit points? Especially when he signposts his entrance with a heck of a lot of noise and destruction and is slowed down by being shot at by police. He puts his human camouflage in great jeopardy - he's quite fortunate the police weren't as vicious with their headshots as they were against little tiny Cameron in TSCC. Furthermore he now makes himself the focus of a police manhunt which could make things difficult for him if he fails to kill Sarah Connor here.

He knew Sarah Connor was there. There was no particular time constraint requiring that he get in there and kill her as fast as possible. He could have staked out the place, had a bit of patience (no problem for a machine) and struck at a more opportune time with less risk involved. They weren't gonna keep her in there forever.

But y'know, then we wouldn't have had that great sequence to showcase his 'invulnerability'. Likewise the T2 bar scene was a great exhibit of the T-800's superiority to the humans around him.

 

[a-dev]

jokes aside, i have two variants for T2's "kindness" in the beginning.
a) no matter what intentions T2 entered that bar with, he should have quickly changed his plans, seeing how freely people sit there, laughing at him, and (supposedly) how hidden cameras monitor him. and that's where a-dev's scenario is executed. in a bit too aggressive way, but the cyborg couldn't come up with any softer plan including "pleeeease" words.
b) i wonder how smart/dumb a terminator is when he awakens. it's a learning artificial intelligence, right, but in what state does it sleep in rows in skynet's undergrounds? what does it already know? it should at least already know how to control the body, so it had to take simulation lessons while remaining bodyless - but what does it actually think? i wouldn't wonder if both terminators, being just woken up, don't know, think, understand much yet. they are like being born into real world from simulated sleep.
and T2, unlike T1, should already have spent some time among humans in future (they had to check him, program him, tell him some stories, walk him to the TDE and so on). what if he didn't expect hostility from big numbers of humans, as first humans he saw were in numbers and didn't attack him?

Needless to say I'm more amiable to this kind of thinking^

Of course, in reality it's likely the bar scene was written purely for its entertainment value and not with any of these considerations actively in mind. But if, on balance, a film offers more to like than it does to hate, I choose to give benefit of any doubt and look for positive rationalisations to explain things.

With a film like T3 or the others there's just not enough good stuff in them to even bother trying to find a positive rationalisation for anything.