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[Invictus Sol]

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Exactly. I wouldn't want to have those films tainted in my mind by considering those horrible sequels as part of those stories, even though that's what the creators (or at least some of them) intended. That's why I get P.'s argument, even though I don't look down on T2 in the way that he does.

Yessss, me and kara are friends again!

Sure, T2's a great sequel, and I understand why folks consider them related in the way that Cameron intended. I just don't think it's the only way a moviegoer has to perceive those films.

Why you sonnofa...

But yes, totally get what you mean.

With the T-1000 I think you have to accept it in a universe where time travel is possible. I think you're taking that aspect for granted and not really thinking about how ridiculous it also is. Once you do that.....liquid metal man, why not. Its not like he was totally without limits anyway. The film explained them, you even alluded to them in a previous post but for some reason that you didn't elaborate on you discounted them. T-800 and AI are certainly much closer to being plausible but you can't criticise the T-1000 without also criticising the time travel stuff (which began with T1)

What do you mean about 'if T2 had been the last movie'? As far as I'm concerned it was and I'm fine with that.

As I've always said, writing the T-800 as the protector worked once, and once only. I never wanted to see it done again myself. I didn't particularly like that after T2 suddenly Arnie had to be the good guy all the time because that's what the masses liked, never mind internal plausibility or any other considerations. The 'lets go with what earned us the most money before' thing. Yes I hate what Terminator became in response to T2's success. Doesn't mean T2 itself is kiddy crap though. ...

There were two Terminator movies. Deal with it.)

I agree 100%, P.

 

[P.]

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i hate T2!

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BTW, as for "intended ways", the way it was intended were T-800 and T-1000, both evil, in one movie.
luckily T-1000 got out of the story, leaving it a lot more realistic.

and yes, a-dev, i specifically ignore your repeating comments about time travel, because time travel is used enough in great sci-fi literature and is a plot for terminator, as well as skynet. T-1000 is not a plot so i don't know why you bring him here too. he will remain a silly looking blob fitting marvel universe forever )

 

[DiFabio]

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"T1ers" vs "T2ers".

I really don't understand why it always boils down to this every time. It makes absolutely no sense to me. Why are these two pitted against each other when it should be T1 and T2 vs. the last two abominations? Sideshow is literally the only place where I see fans get hostile towards T2. As for sequels, canon and the directors "vision", T2 is faithful and doesn't contradict the first film like say T3, George Lucas' Star Wars prequels, Spider-Man 3, TDKR, etc.

Cameron didn't change dates around or ages like those *** hats did for T3. He didn't go back and change things from the original to fit the second film (like the prequels). As a continuation to the first film, T2 is completely faithful. Story thread points that didn't make it in 1984 due to time and budget ("No fate", changing the future, "one possible future", multiple Terminators, T-1000, John Connor, Cyberdyne, etc.) are completely fleshed out in T2. There's also this fidelity with the likes of the original Terminator's arm, chip, Police department security footage, Sarah's tapes/pictures for John, Sarah's fear of the T-800, and Cyberdyne that makes it hard to just ignore T2.

 

[Invictus Sol]

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Lol...

"T1ers" vs "T2ers".

I really don't understand why it always boils down to this every time. It makes absolutely no sense to me. Why are these two pitted against each other when it should be T1 and T2 vs. the last two abominations?...

...There's also this fidelity with the likes of the original Terminator's arm, chip, Police department security footage, Sarah's tapes/pictures for John, Sarah's fear of the T-800, and Cyberdyne that makes it hard to just ignore T2.

Beautifully said.

 

[P.]

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Why are these two pitted against each other when it should be T1 and T2 vs. the last two abominations?

may be because "the last two abominations" stole the ideas of T2 in an ugly way, thus making T2 look guilty for those abominations?
differences brought by T2 actually became similarities for T3/4.
"it's just him and me" - T1.
"....aaand him and me, and them and again, and we change roles, and we change future, and we arrive weekly if needed" - T2 and all the rest.

 

[a-dev]

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there were either 1 or 4 terminator movies, deal with it )

No, no. Its easy. The first 2 films were made by one guy, one guy using ideas he extended over the two films. They have that common thread that makes it perfectly acceptable to take those 2 films on their own. There is really no problem whatsoever in disregarding T3 and T4 made by different film makers and which, as you know, are rife with inconsistencies to the first two films.

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BTW, as for "intended ways", the way it was intended were T-800 and T-1000, both evil, in one movie.
luckily T-1000 got out of the story, leaving it a lot more realistic.

and yes, a-dev, i specifically ignore your repeating comments about time travel, because time travel is used enough in great sci-fi literature and is a plot for terminator, as well as skynet. T-1000 is not a plot so i don't know why you bring him here too. he will remain a silly looking blob fitting marvel universe forever )

All I can do is shake my head at that. I think that's a weak, all too convenient dismissal. Time travel having been used in great sci-fi literature before doesn't make it any less implausible. You discount the T-1000 based on plausibility yes? In terms of plausibility both are at best way way off or they're impossible. In fact I'd be more inclined to side with the T-1000 on the plausibility scale.

"T1ers" vs "T2ers".

I really don't understand why it always boils down to this every time. It makes absolutely no sense to me. Why are these two pitted against each other when it should be T1 and T2 vs. the last two abominations? Sideshow is literally the only place where I see fans get hostile towards T2. As for sequels, canon and the directors "vision", T2 is faithful and doesn't contradict the first film like say T3, George Lucas' Star Wars prequels, Spider-Man 3, TDKR, etc.

Cameron didn't change dates around or ages like those *** hats did for T3. He didn't go back and change things from the original to fit the second film (like the prequels). As a continuation to the first film, T2 is completely faithful. Story thread points that didn't make it in 1984 due to time and budget ("No fate", changing the future, "one possible future", multiple Terminators, T-1000, John Connor, Cyberdyne, etc.) are completely fleshed out in T2. There's also this fidelity with the likes of the original Terminator's arm, chip, Police department security footage, Sarah's tapes/pictures for John, Sarah's fear of the T-800, and Cyberdyne that makes it hard to just ignore T2.

Needless to say I agree. I'm quoting this because all day I've quoted only the guys I'm arguing against.

may be because "the last two abominations" stole the ideas of T2 in an ugly way, thus making T2 look guilty for those abominations?
differences brought by T2 actually became similarities for T3/4.
"it's just him and me" - T1.
"....aaand him and me, and them and again, and we change roles, and we change future" - T2 and all the rest.

T2 is 'guilty' for T3 specifically, less so T4. But we're talking cynical real world considerations, the studio saying ''lets just the copy the previous biggest earner''. That says nothing about the merits of T2 itself as a film. T2 earned what it did because it deserved it. It shouldn't be retroactively shat upon because of the crap it spawned (no more than Aliens should be for Alien Resurrection)

 

[P.]

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as this thread is already devoted to T2 without any result, can anybody guide me to a nice 1/6 keys set please? (a praying smiley is here but i didn't find it)

the ones i see on ebay look... barbie-esh O_O

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

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"T1ers" vs "T2ers".

I really don't understand why it always boils down to this every time. It makes absolutely no sense to me. Why are these two pitted against each other when it should be T1 and T2 vs. the last two abominations? Sideshow is literally the only place where I see fans get hostile towards T2. As for sequels, canon and the directors "vision", T2 is faithful and doesn't contradict the first film like say T3, George Lucas' Star Wars prequels, Spider-Man 3, TDKR, etc.

Cameron didn't change dates around or ages like those *** hats did for T3. He didn't go back and change things from the original to fit the second film (like the prequels). As a continuation to the first film, T2 is completely faithful. Story thread points that didn't make it in 1984 due to time and budget ("No fate", changing the future, "one possible future", multiple Terminators, T-1000, John Connor, Cyberdyne, etc.) are completely fleshed out in T2. There's also this fidelity with the likes of the original Terminator's arm, chip, Police department security footage, Sarah's tapes/pictures for John, Sarah's fear of the T-800, and Cyberdyne that makes it hard to just ignore T2.

Actually, he did. John Connor was born in 1984 or 85, but he was 10 years old in T2 even though the film came out in 91. So I guess T2 takes place in 1994/95 ? He couldn't wait 3 years?

 

[Wor-Gar]

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There's T1 and T2 and then the "others"...

Happens a lot in movies...

There's Star Wars and Empire.... and then the others....

There's Mad Max and Road Warrior.... and then the others...

There's Alien and Aliens... and then the others...

There's Batman and Batman Returns.... and then the others....

There's Jaws.... and kinda sorta Jaws 2 (not really though).... and then the others....

There's Matrix.... oh, dammit.

 

[P.]

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Actually, he did. John Connor was born in 1984 or 85, but he was 10 years old in T2 even though the film came out in 91. So I guess T2 takes place in 1994/95 ? He couldn't wait 3 years?

but it was intended as i remember, that's not a mistake, is it?
i always thought it was intentionally "after 10 years" time scale, '91 movie about year '94.

There's also this fidelity with the likes of the original Terminator's arm, chip

there actually wasn't.
both chip and arm weren't from T1, they looked completely different )

 

[a-dev]

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Yeah T2 is set in 95 from my understanding. He would have been born in 85, he's 10 in T2, therefore.

Anyway, dropping the topic. I was going to suggest moving it into the DX13 thread but we're just repeating ourselves now anyway.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

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There's T1 and T2 and then the "others"...

Happens a lot in movies...

There's Star Wars and Empire.... and then the others....

There's Mad Max and Road Warrior.... and then the others...

There's Alien and Aliens... and then the others...

There's Batman and Batman Returns.... and then the others....

There's Jaws.... and kinda sorta Jaws 2 (not really though).... and then the others....

There's Matrix.... oh, dammit.

Toy Story is the greatest trilogy ever made.

but it was intended as i remember, that's not a mistake, is it?
i always thought it was intentionally "after 10 years" time scale, '91 movie about year '94.

I always thought it was weird that the film took place 3 years in the future (back in 91 when I saw the film) Although, when I saw it, I didn't realized it was 94, and thought it was 91, my dad thought the same thing back then

 

[P.]

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Kuat of Kuat, thank you. those keys in a set on a NYPD figure are really best of 1/6 i've already seen, but i didn't find them separately.
ok, they can be made from some scrape metal, i think.

 

[karamazov80]

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A more recently released cop figure had a key ring. I bought some for my Ghostbusters, but the quality wasn't great.

 

[P.]

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MMS117: zip slider on right side.
DX10: left side
DX13: right side.

MMS238: left side.

next terminator figure: zip slider on the right side...

 

[a-dev]

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Conveniently since I have switched all my T2 jackets to 117/DX13 ones I have eliminated that continuity error

 

[Sidious-66]

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Man this thread has went loopy.

 

[a-dev]

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For a second I thought the guy at the head of that table was Bill Murray^ Forgetting that Bill would not have had grey hair then. He does now obviously.

But yeah that was a bit of an inconsistency with Ghostbusters 2 - that they would be met with any scepticism after the events of the first film.

 

[rjszar]

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I'm probably going to regret chiming in, but I'm a Terminator fan, one of the biggest out there. No disrespect to those like a-dev and P. Since 1990, my vehicle license plate has been TRMIN8R. I have terminators all over my house, including three life-size. I love everything Terminator. It pains me to see fans bickering. "Can't we all just get along".


That having been said, just a few of my own thoughts, not intended to support or contradict anything in this thread or any other. T2 is the better movie. T1 is the better Terminator movie.


T2 had many advantages over T1 in terms of budget and in terms of available technology.


Arnold Schwarzenegger (my favorite movie personality) was a not so great actor playing a very difficult role, a machine. He did a phenomenal job, not a perfect job. He made mistakes.


So did plenty of others from the top all the way down. Oh the horror, when in my favorite scene in T1, the "I'll be back scene", I finally noticed after countless viewings that you can clearly see Arnold's undamaged left eye through his Gargoyles. Who dropped the ball there, the director, editing?


T1 and T2 are science fiction. Things can be completely plausible or implausible. Lots of things in Star Trek seemed ridiculous years ago yet maybe not so much today, waving a tricorder over someone and healing them. I just finished a series of ultrasound treatments that healed a torn back muscle that wouldn't heal otherwise.


Who are the experts on time travel, the book writers, the screenplay writers, the directors, the fans? Were quantum physicists consulted for the movies? Would that have mattered? Jack Horner was consulted for Jurassic Park and Spielberg still got things wrong and took artistic license. The one timeline theory, where everything changes in the current timeline. It's over when the Terminator goes back ahead of Kyle. No need to make the movie. The infinite timelines theory....so little chance of Kyle ending up in the same timeline as the Terminator. (I'm sure someone will want me to explain that.) No need to make the movie. Time travel is completely impossible theory, no need to make the movie. I for one am really glad they did make the movie.


The Terminator will always be my favorite movie. Do I wonder about all the same questions that everyone else does? Sure. That doesn't change the fact that T1 is a great sci-fi movie, a great horror movie, a great drama/suspense movie and even a great romance movie. Come on, who wouldn't want to be Kyle Reese going across time to save the love of his life?


T1 and T2 are both amazing movies trying to deal with things we really can't wrap our minds around. I love them for what they are. T3? Don't know what happened there. Just shake my head.

So that's my two cents worth.

 

[Sidious-66]

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For a second I thought the guy at the head of that table was Bill Murray^ Forgetting that Bill would not have had grey hair then. He does now obviously.

But yeah that was a bit of an inconsistency with Ghostbusters 2 - that they would be met with any scepticism after the events of the first film.

I'm sure that is his brother a-dev.

Yeah but I imagine just like Walter Peck a lot of people would have thought that the Ghostbusters put on the 'show' just to benefit from it.