Action Figure Hot Toys - VGM17 - Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance - Raiden

[FSLAR]

I've seen some odd hate where MGS 2 Raiden is the best (I personally disagree with this) of the Raidens due to him not being a Cyborg Ninja rip of, which he really isn't. It's a little misguided but then again, most of Raiden's hate can be misguided imo.

 

[Dylan]

That's debatable... He definitely ended cooler than he started out, but he's most definitely not the most wanted MGS figure

It isn't even the most wanted version of Raiden, I believe that's the MGS4 version

I prefer the Rising version personally, so I'm not complaining

I actually disagree. I think Raiden was cooler when he started than he is now. I get that people like Rising and even understand why but because of that game Raiden will forever be the butt of a joke and a joke I think is annoying.

 

[Chrono]

A joke? How?

 

[Dylan]

Rising is satire. It sets out to poke fun at every one of the MG series tropes. Raiden made a turn to be more traditionally "cool" in MGS4 but then rising came along and turned him into satire. At least that's how I see it. I liked Raiden in MGS2 unlike most and thought his eventual turn into a cyborg was a nice touch because if you can get past the sappy-ness Raiden has a lot of tragedy to his character maybe even more so than Solid Snake. All that's sort of thrown out the window now for a satirical game that no one really asked for and a goofy mini game inside of GZ. Kinda sucks if you ask me.

 

[potato]

That's the Raiden people hate most though... after the MGS2 debacle Kojima and co had to try to make him likable by making him a cyborg. Worked for the most part.

Still no doubt people would prefer a MGS2 Raiden, because that means MGS2 Solid Snake will be next in line, having MGS R Raiden, we have no idea who will be next. Most likely young Solid Snake would have to wait another few good years.

 

[potato]

I've seen some odd hate where MGS 2 Raiden is the best (I personally disagree with this) of the Raidens due to him not being a Cyborg Ninja rip of, which he really isn't. It's a little misguided but then again, most of Raiden's hate can be misguided imo.

The only reason MGS2 Raiden was hated because all the MGS1 fanboy couldn't accept that their hero is now a co-star. Nothing to do with Raiden apart from him being the main cast.

Raiden actually has deep characters if you read/listen to his Codecs. Unlike Solid Snake who can't forget & keeps dwelling about his past, Raiden admits & accepts his past and overcome them by simply ignoring them.

Snake is rather weak compared to Raiden, just look at MGS4 ending, if it weren't for Big Boss, he'd have pussied out the easy way.

 

[Solidus]

Maybe you should actually play a MGS game instead of spouting nonsense .

Raiden is continuously haunted by his past throughout the series, and his Jack the Ripper personality resurfaced in MGR. Snake was awaiting his death in MGS 4, and he accepted his fate in the end. But, he never dwelled on his past, and nor did he have any psychological issues about it (aside from general PTSD, which happens to affect a good number of battle hardened soldiers).

 

[FSLAR]

I mean its not like snake tried to prevent foxdie from attacking other people and wanted to kill himself regardless

 

[Solidus]

I mean its not like snake tried to prevent foxdie from attacking other people and wanted to kill himself regardless

Yeah, he just wanted to "pu**y out", right?

 

[ronri]

Rising is satire. It sets out to poke fun at every one of the MG series tropes. Raiden made a turn to be more traditionally "cool" in MGS4 but then rising came along and turned him into satire. At least that's how I see it. I liked Raiden in MGS2 unlike most and thought his eventual turn into a cyborg was a nice touch because if you can get past the sappy-ness Raiden has a lot of tragedy to his character maybe even more so than Solid Snake. All that's sort of thrown out the window now for a satirical game that no one really asked for and a goofy mini game inside of GZ. Kinda sucks if you ask me.

Satire? In MGS4, Raiden's character became a depressing mess and much as it was still "in-character", he lost a lot of the charm he had from MGS2 with regards to his views and personality. MGR brought back many aspects of Raiden's character from MGS2, only he feels all grown-up now. Heck, MGR showed more awareness for Raiden's story and history than MGS4 ever did.

And perhaps satire is exactly what MGS has been needing for a long time. Because for all of Kojima's attempts to make Big Boss's story "deeper" with continuous prequel stories, Platinum Games sure as hell did a better job at bringing back the campy yet thoughtful style of MGS, all in one game (this is coming from someone who also liked Raiden in MGS2).

A lot of MGR may have been poking fun at many MGS tropes, but considering the ridiculous stuff Kojima has been pulling, a little bit of self-awareness with the material was more than welcome in my eyes. Instead of just "another" cyborg ninja, MGR actually made Raiden into a character of his own, even showing greater awareness of his character from MGS2. Far from the "joke" that you're insisting here.

 

[Solidus]

Personally, I have no problems with accepting MGR as a canon entry into the series. It's fun, and over-the-top, but I really don't care. It was interesting to see a timeline in MGS where there weren't any Snakes. Raiden also became a complete badass and I LOVED it.

 

[Jameson Rook]

Personally, I have no problems with accepting MGR as a canon entry into the series. It's fun, and over-the-top, but I really don't care. It was interesting to see a timeline in MGS where there weren't any Snakes. Raiden also became a complete badass and I LOVED it.

Same here. MGS canon is beyond saving, it's best to have fun with it since what has to be said, has been said and done. I'm still getting over the fact that I like Raiden much more than Big Boss, I would NEVER have imagined saying this 10 years back. Nor would I have ever thought dubstep in a Metal Gear game was a good idea.

 

[CollectorGuy]

MGR Raiden has BLADE WOLF!!!! Nuff said

 

[potato]

I mean its not like snake tried to prevent foxdie from attacking other people and wanted to kill himself regardless

he's in his mid 30's and he could no longer get his little friend up, if he wanted to prevent himself from spreading the foxdie, he'd have done it after MGS. not waiting until MGS4. clearly he wanted to pussie out and uses the:" i don't wanna spread the virus killing more innocent people anymore". Guess what, he'd already killed all the people he could with foxdie except Big Boss whom he eventually kills it with, and yea after learning the fact that there's no one else to kill with foxdie, he decides to continue live a healthy life, he even quit smoking. i mean wow, talk about being concern about his health after pussieng out from suicide.

 

[potato]

we're talking about MGS2 Raiden whom everyone hates simply because he replaced Solid Snake as the main character.

he never reverted to Jack the Ripper in MGS2, in fact he ignores those past, he mentions about those past because it was brought up by other people and he simply told them his stories, he accepts his past and decides to ignore them and focus on the present situation and not allowing the past to cloud his judgment, but willing to look back at the past to look for more clues & help him to figure out the current situation.

Solid Snake on the other hand always had his past haunting him, even until the end of MGS4. He was always low esteemed, if it weren't for his skills & luck & also the respect his enemies gave him due to the fact he's Big Boss's "Son", he'd not have made it. Big Boss on the other hand was strong minded, but he's no match with Solid Snake due to age difference.

Maybe you should actually play a MGS game instead of spouting nonsense .

Raiden is continuously haunted by his past throughout the series, and his Jack the Ripper personality resurfaced in MGR. Snake was awaiting his death in MGS 4, and he accepted his fate in the end. But, he never dwelled on his past, and nor did he have any psychological issues about it (aside from general PTSD, which happens to affect a good number of battle hardened soldiers).

 

[Solidus]

You never cease to amaze me .

Raiden in MGS 2 was extremely tormented about his past, to the extent that he blocked out his memories instead of facing them . Solid Snake established himself as a legend by defeating Big Boss in Outer Heaven (twice) and also for successfully stopping Foxhound in the Shadow Moses incident. He never had to rely on the fact that he was Big Boss' "son".

he's in his mid 30's and he could no longer get his little friend up, if he wanted to prevent himself from spreading the foxdie, he'd have done it after MGS. not waiting until MGS4. clearly he wanted to pussie out and uses the:" i don't wanna spread the virus killing more innocent people anymore". Guess what, he'd already killed all the people he could with foxdie except Big Boss whom he eventually kills it with, and yea after learning the fact that there's no one else to kill with foxdie, he decides to continue live a healthy life, he even quit smoking. i mean wow, talk about being concern about his health after pussieng out from suicide.

The strain of Foxdie in Snake took years to mutate, up to the timeline of MGS 4 - where it had the potential of becoming a biological weapon on a massive scale. He never knew about it, until Naomi ran his blood test.

Either you're trolling with asinine comments, or you're just incredibly ignorant on basic facts of this series.

 

[ZombieRepublican]

I commend potato on his trolling skillz haha.

An argument could be made that Raiden is the most interesting character in the franchise, before he was a ninja. That move was a bit of a cop out on Kojimas behaf in order to make him likable in the fans eyes. Unfortunately his characterization of being lame in comparison to Solid was necessary for the story of MGS2, but he came into his own in the end and defeated the Metal Gears and his masters.

He could have continued without needing to be a Ninja and still would have been badass. I was hoping for an awesome team up in MGS2s sequel but alas

 

[FSLAR]

You never cease to amaze me .

Raiden in MGS 2 was extremely tormented about his past, to the extent that he blocked out his memories instead of facing them . Solid Snake established himself as a legend by defeating Big Boss in Outer Heaven (twice) and also for successfully stopping Foxhound in the Shadow Moses incident. He never had to rely on the fact that he was Big Boss' "son".



The strain of Foxdie in Snake took years to mutate, up to the timeline of MGS 4 - where it had the potential of becoming a biological weapon on a massive scale. He never knew about it, until Naomi ran his blood test.

Either you're trolling with asinine comments, or you're just incredibly ignorant on basic facts of this series.

Exactly. Foxdie was initially made to target specific people, but it was thought to almost lose that potency and kill anyone regardless of it matched Foxdie or not. in MGS1, this was not the case - Meryl would have died otherwise, Ocelot would have, and so on. Solid Snake isn't really stuck in the past at all, I don't know where you're getting that from.

potato, is your name like that due to your intelligence being comparable to that of a potato? Or your quality being like that of a potato?

 

[WellCQCaboutthat]

oh! you done did it now! hes going to go to the authorities on you! he was wrong big time and now you made fun of his name so thats how hell get his revenge!!! you dont know him like i know him slim, no one does............

 

[franpincho]

I think I might me a minority here, but I'd love a MGS2 Raiden by HT (my favorite version of the character.....yeah, hate on that)

Also, I finally got MGR on steam for 5 bucks!