How did this dirtbag get this already???

[mmmmBrains]

Thats a great idea hurt his rep then lot of people will be aware of him.

Oh wait.... we're just looking for a legitimate reason to buy recasts?...

If someone has no clue of Q and his practices, how on earth could they know these are recasts? The only way is to leave negative feedback. I believe X amount gets your selling privileges revoked for a certain amount of time.

 

[mmmmBrains]

but you dont have to buy this sculpt to trash his feedback do you?
just buy one of those cosbabys hes selling

Very true. Did not even think that he sells other items... Who needs some Cosbabys?

But then again, you would want the feedback to be specific to the sculpts so you can comment on the authenticity of them. I don't think saying the Casbabys are recasts will work out too well.

 

[karamazov80]

So two wrongs make a right? It's OK to act unethically in leaving feedback on the off chance it's going to negatively affect him on eBay?

Even if it did work, do you think a guy like that would hesitate to set up multiple accounts to continue with his shenanigans?

 

[Darthrazz]

Even if it did work, do you think a guy like that would hesitate to set up multiple accounts to continue with his shenanigans?

 

[mmmmBrains]

Fight fire with fire. Sitting by doing nothing doesn't make anything right either. He blatantly rips off artists and has no respect for the hobby, so why play "fair"?

I'm sure setting up a second account wouldn't be a fun thing for him to go through. Why not try to make what he is doing as hard as humanly possible for him? Atleast if it did work he would have to build from the ground up feedback wise. That is his store's eBay, I think it would hurt for that to get spoiled. What would you suggest to combat the recasting? Just let things continue to play out?

 

[karamazov80]

Due to the murky legal context, the only thing I think can be done is the community standing together to combat it by not supporting him or his kind, and keeping those kinds of people out of the forum. Stooping to someone else's level is not the solution IMO. I think Trevor could do a lot of damage by allowing his sculpts to be sold legitimately at a comparable price, which might be the best means of negatively affecting Q's sales, but that doesn't seem to be happening at the moment.

 

[cameosis]

you’re being naive—check the item description: trevor isn’t mentioned anywhere, nowhere can you see the word »original« … how are you going to PROVE to ebay that it is counterfeit?

by quoting posts from a forum? you need proof, and only the sculptor himself could provide it (if at all).

technically, you’re buying exactly what is advertised: a custom head sculpt. the heads are not numbered, and you’re out alone in the cold proving that it’s not part of the original cast series.

it’s much more sensible to donate to charity than buy products in order to leave negative feedback. other than that, karamazov nailed it.

 

[galactiboy]

Sounds like a fantastic way to rationalize the buying of "counterfeit" heads, anyway.

So two wrongs make a right? It's OK to act unethically in leaving feedback on the off chance it's going to negatively affect him on eBay?

Even if it did work, do you think a guy like that would hesitate to set up multiple accounts to continue with his shenanigans?

And honestly if a buyer can prove the negative is unwarranted it can be removed. It's a nice thought, but in the end all you'd be doing is giving him money.

 

[cameosis]

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And honestly if a buyer can prove the negative is unwarranted it can be removed. It's a nice thought, but in the end all you'd be doing is giving him money.

i take it you mean the »seller,« no?

 

[mmmmBrains]

Due to the murky legal context, the only thing I think can be done is the community standing together to combat it by not supporting him or his kind, and keeping those kinds of people out of the forum. Stooping to someone else's level is not the solution IMO. I think Trevor could do a lot of damage by allowing his sculpts to be sold legitimately at a comparable price, which might be the best means of negatively affecting Q's sales, but that doesn't seem to be happening at the moment.

I wish that would happen. Was saddened by his latest announcement but it feels like a step in the right direction. Hopefully a honest caster in the states can work out something with Trevor.

I don't look at it as "stooping to his level" it just feels like the only way. It baffles me why none of the artists (that I know of) he is recasting sell on eBay themeselves? Let people know and maybe have a legitimate claim to his being counterfeits. If he continues to get his hands on sculpts it will inevitably drive away sculptors from offering custom work. I just don't want that to happen.

 

[mmmmBrains]

And honestly if a buyer can prove the negative is unwarranted it can be removed. It's a nice thought, but in the end all you'd be doing is giving him money.

So if the cast is bad (which I've read they are, air bubbles etc.) I couldn't leave a negative on the grounds the cast was faulty?

 

[karamazov80]

I'm with you Brains, and apologies if my comment earlier came off as a knock at you specifically. But I could see someone else seeing that talk as a means of further rationalizing what, apparently, many boardies continue to do anyway. Rainman was actually affected by Headplay doing something similar, and as a result put his heads up for sale again which seemed like a good strategy to me. But he only does it periodically. In the meantime, people wanting to bash a Dude or Bill have resorted to Q as their solution in the absence of the real deal.

Kills me to think this way, but if the Estudios pans out as it seems to, then I think some folks are going to give up hope of getting legit unpainted casts at decent prices, and will be more inclined to turn toward eBay even if they don't want to. Too bad if that happens.

 

[cameosis]

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So if the cast is bad (which I've read they are, air bubbles etc.) I couldn't leave a negative on the grounds the cast was faulty?

games workshop, the miniatures manufacturer, is (in)famous for shipping out loads of scheiss-castings of their finecast resin line, poor quality all around.

from what i’ve gathered, resin casting is complex and bubbles or minor flaws are almost inevitable. if the seller rectifies the problem, according to ebay policy, a (previous) negative comment will be removed.

 

[mmmmBrains]

you’re being naive—check the item description: trevor isn’t mentioned anywhere, nowhere can you see the word »original« … how are you going to PROVE to ebay that it is counterfeit?

by quoting posts from a forum? you need proof, and only the sculptor himself could provide it (if at all).

technically, you’re buying exactly what is advertised: a custom head sculpt. the heads are not numbered, and you’re out alone in the cold proving that it’s not part of the original cast series.

it’s much more sensible to donate to charity than buy products in order to leave negative feedback. other than that, karamazov nailed it.

Q?????????????????

 

[cameosis]

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Q?????????????????

am afraid you lost me there. i’m a lawyer (in germany), glad to help out.

 

[vareika]

I'm with you Brains, and apologies if my comment earlier came off as a knock at you specifically. But I could see someone else seeing that talk as a means of further rationalizing what, apparently, many boardies continue to do anyway. Rainman was actually affected by Headplay doing something similar, and as a result put his heads up for sale again which seemed like a good strategy to me. But he only does it periodically. In the meantime, people wanting to bash a Dude or Bill have resorted to Q as their solution in the absence of the real deal.

Kills me to think this way, but if the Estudios pans out as it seems to, then I think some folks are going to give up hope of getting legit unpainted casts at decent prices, and will be more inclined to turn toward eBay even if they don't want to. Too bad if that happens.

Karamazov, I think another option is for those folks to just not get it. I'd like to get a few sculpts, but if there is no legit way to get it, its not a big deal and I just move on. I don't think the lack of legit methods is an excuse for people to go for non-legit methods. Those people are likely going to go with the non-legit way regardless. People who aren't willing to support recasters, can continue not supporting recasters.

 

[mmmmBrains]

Re: .

I'm with you Brains, and apologies if my comment earlier came off as a knock at you specifically. But I could see someone else seeing that talk as a means of further rationalizing what, apparently, many boardies continue to do anyway. Rainman was actually affected by Headplay doing something similar, and as a result put his heads up for sale again which seemed like a good strategy to me. But he only does it periodically. In the meantime, people wanting to bash a Dude or Bill have resorted to Q as their solution in the absence of the real deal.

Kills me to think this way, but if the Estudios pans out as it seems to, then I think some folks are going to give up hope of getting legit unpainted casts at decent prices, and will be more inclined to turn toward eBay even if they don't want to. Too bad if that happens.

No worries. I too believe the Estudio deal is going to increase Q's sales. It's a shame. All sculptors need is an eBay account and a .com with their sculpts readily available.

am afraid you lost me there. i’m a lawyer (in germany), glad to help out.

Just joking. You make some very good points. I'm not trying to lead the troops into feedback battles. It was just a suggestion.

 

[steveo]

I wish there was a way to post feedback on Ebay, without buying, so others could see.

 

[mmmmBrains]

Karamazov, I think another option is for those folks to just not get it. I'd like to get a few sculpts, but if there is no legit way to get it, its not a big deal and I just move on. I don't think the lack of legit methods is an excuse for people to go for non-legit methods. Those people are likely going to go with the non-legit way regardless. People who aren't willing to support recasters, can continue not supporting recasters.

But the thing is, a nice chunk of buyers on eBay probably have no clue this forum exists so how do they know of babygq's practices? I'm all for waiting for the genuine thing but that's not the mentality of most. Kara is right the only way to stop them is for the sculptors to offer the sculpts themselves at a competitive price.

 

[karamazov80]

Karamazov, I think another option is for those folks to just not get it. I'd like to get a few sculpts, but if there is no legit way to get it, its not a big deal and I just move on. I don't think the lack of legit methods is an excuse for people to go for non-legit methods. Those people are likely going to go with the non-legit way regardless. People who aren't willing to support recasters, can continue not supporting recasters.

Don't get me wrong--I agree with you 100%, and in no way am saying that any action justifies buying "counterfeit" sculpts. But not everyone feels that way. A number of collectors would like to do the right thing, but are only willing to go so far.