How many prefer OT characters over PT characters?

[devilof76]

'Basic ethics' if you're a conniving beggar, maybe.

He owes the fans...NOTHING. You see that money you no longer have? It's called a trade. You didn't give it to him. You traded it. Now you have what you want, and he has what he wants.

Thank you for attending Remedial Barter 101. Next week we'll be offering courses in Bilateral Respect. This will have a screening process, because we have found that some people just don't get it. We're looking into whether or not it may be a problem with their basic ethics.

 

[Vivisect]

Do you like people telling you how to dress, what to buy, and how to act? Star Wars is first and foremost, Lucas' movie. He created it, he owns it. If he wants to CG turds over the cast and release it, that's his right. Who are you call him arrogant for wanting to fix the movies he made so that they can look as he originally intended them to? I would say Lucas isn't the unbelievably arrogant one.

Exactly, some people act as if the OT didn't have it's own share of bad acting, atrocious dialogue and plot holes.

I have to agree 100%.

I like the OT quits a bit more, It might be that I saw them as a kid when they came out, But I enjoyed the PT for the most part, besides a few bits of AOTC I fast forward through.

Well, if you bothered to quote the rest of my paragraph I noted that the U.S. Congress has elected to preserve A New Hope as a cultural landmark. The version they voted on and chose to spend taxpayer money to preserve is the original 1977 version. If in a democratic society, that is not proof positive that this or any film is not solely the pet property of the director to destroy (or "fix") at his whim, then I do not know what is.

Just because thy chose to preserve a copy still doesn't make them the owners to decide what can and cant be done with it. Besides Greedo shooting first nothing he changed bothers me in the least, in fact some of it is much better (Ewok singing removed). You can always continue to watch the originals on VHS, I have a few copies rotting away somewhere.

 

[thenammagazine]

'Basic ethics' if you're a conniving beggar, maybe.

He owes the fans...NOTHING. You see that money you no longer have? It's called a trade. You didn't give it to him. You traded it. Now you have what you want, and he has what he wants.

Thank you for attending Remedial Barter 101. Next week we'll be offering courses in Bilateral Respect. This will have a screening process, because we have found that some people just don't get it. We're looking into whether or not it may be a problem with their basic ethics.

One problem with that bub...

Entitlement Generation​

They're owed everything and actually believe that they don't have to pay for anything, let alone be held responsible for their own actions. I think it would've been better to give their parents a crash course in Basic Child Discipline 101.

 

[Entropy]

Ultimately it comes down to what are you looking for in these films and cinema in general?

Some are less discriminating than others and can enjoy a wider array of fare. Or some actually prefer Spam to hamburger, and that's ok too.

no accounting for taste after all.

 

[thenammagazine]

Ultimately it comes down to what are you looking for in these films and cinema in general?

Some are less discriminating than others and can enjoy a wider array of fare. Or some actually prefer Spam to hamburger, and that's ok too.

no accounting for taste after all.

Says the man who modified his Gimli sculpt.

 

[The Craw]

meh. i like all the films. except AOTC. i haven't watched that one in years. personally i think the CW cartoon fills the gap between episode 1 and 3 quite nicely for me. i don't care if i ever see AOTC again.

 

[Entropy]

ANH: Revisited FTW

 

[devilof76]

< yawn >

I liked ANH just fine the way it was, thanks.

I think it would've been better to give their parents a crash course in Basic Child Discipline 101.

I think a lot of progress could have been made if they had just thrown out their copies of Das Kapital.

 

[Star Puffs]

One problem with that bub...

Entitlement Generation​

They're owed everything and actually believe that they don't have to pay for anything, let alone be held responsible for their own actions. I think it would've been better to give their parents a crash course in Basic Child Discipline 101.

Says a grown man who appears to idolise The Punisher...

 

[SimFeliz]

Sure at the end of the day Lucas can do what he wants with 'his' films. But why would a film maker have that attitude. Might as well not make a movie in the first place. It is there to be enjoyed by all.

I don't hate the PT it has a place. The only thing that has turned me off SW a little is this constant need to make the OT fit with the PT. Also this constant fixation on the Clone Wars era, whats up with that?

 

[Vivisect]

I dont know about others, but when I was a kid the little bit of talk in ANH about the clone wars got my imagination going.

 

[shocktrooper_au]

Well it's OT all the way for me, I'm not a PT hater but I can see myself forgetting about it in the future. Just for me GL just answered the wrong questions in the PT and gave the wrong answers on some (IMO), plus while CG is great It was just over used, the clones would have been sweet as real guys in armour for close ups & CG for the masses of Fodder, not to mention the "Bad Guys" hardly seemed a worthy with all there Roger Rogers & slap stick. Plus then we get into the awkward romance & script and the way they where performed, I dunno the OT just seemed so natural, "I Believed" where as the PT just seems like someones comic book retelling of the SW universe.

 

[OSCORP]

Nah, I don't choose to live my life as a narrowminded OT Elitist

Hmmmm, a narrowminded OT elitist, or a narrowminded prequel apologist. I'm not sure which i'd rather be.


Oh wait, yes i do!

 

[Star Puffs]

Sure at the end of the day Lucas can do what he wants with 'his' films. But why would a film maker have that attitude. Might as well not make a movie in the first place. It is there to be enjoyed by all.

As man who loves movies himself, Lucas cannot possibly be unaware of people's attachment to the originals. I don't begrudge him redoing the originals to his heart's content, but actively suppressing/disrespecting the original versions is just petty and almost wilfully unkind (doing so just because he can). And yes, I stand by my contention that that is unethical.

I sometimes wonder if he doesn't hate Star Wars deep down because he got sucked into a life as 'the Star Wars guy' instead of the independent, rebel auteur he says he envisioned himself as on the THX-1138 DVD commentary. Unlike Ridley Scott or Terry Gilliam, no one ever calls Lucas 'an artist'. He is a creative guy to be sure, but a huge portion of what we consider Star Wars, the visual design elements in particular, have nothing to do with Lucas but vague idea and final approval. People like Mcquarrie, Shepperton, countless people at ILM and of course all the actors made huge contributions to what Star Wars is and I really hate when people act like a film is the product of any one person.

 

[DSD]

I think any real Star Wars fan is doing a disservice to themselves to toss the blinders on, plug their ears and rock back 'n forth saying, "Only the OT for me!" Star Wars is much more than the stale 3 films we grew up with. It's a living breathing universe that continues expanding even today, with a fantastic animated series (that's canon BTW), novels, comics, and a soon to see the light of day live-action TV show. There's never been a better time to be a SW fan.

I take your point, but on the flipside I've found that the more SW stuff there is, the more the quality is diluted.

The best time to be a SW fan was just before Jedi came out. I've never been so excited in my life. It's been downhill since then.

The other problem is that the PT designs are so boring. They look like they were designed on computers, and probably were, especially the awful Clone Troopers.

So yeah, OT all the way. They've dated less than the prequels as well. That CGI stuff already looks terrible.

 

[cedric72]

I watched ESB and ROTJ on TV on the weekend here in Oz. Even though I have the trilogy on dvd, I haven't watched them in a while. And I've gotta say i thoroughly enjoyed them.
The OT gives me something that the PT can't. I can't explain what it is but I guess that's the magic that is behind the original trilogy.
A lot of people give ROTJ a bit of flack mainly because of the Ewoks.
Well, I'd rather watch a movie full of Ewoks than another minute of that idiot Jar Jar.
Besides, if you don't like Ewoks beating the hell out of Stormtroopers with sticks and rocks, do what I did. Edit you're own version.
For me the only PT movie that did anything for me was ROTS. It has a 'darker' feeling to it, much like ESB does. As for the others, they're not even worth mentioning. I'll never forget that feeling when I walked out of the cinema that day after I saw TPM. What a dark, dark day.
AOTC wasn't much better. All in all, the PT was a massive letdown.

Best to worst:
Empire Strikes Back
A New Hope
Return Of The Jedi
Revenge Of The Sith
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Attack Of The Clones
The Phantom Mucus

 

[devilof76]

And yes, I stand by my contention that that is unethical.

And you still have yet to contend as to what ethical principles you are standing by. I will assume, however, that you contend that your particular ethics are coextensive with ethics as such.

 

[DinoLast]

Whether you like them or not, the SE and Prequels breathed new life into Star Wars.
From the late 80's to the mid 90's, there were hardly any new collectibles, and hardly any mention of the films in the media apart from a mention now and then if a sequel was going to be made.
Yes there were Die-Hard fans like ourselves, and we still had our crappy Video copies of the movies and our beaten up figures that we could hand down, but the kids of that time could not go into the shops and buy lots of new Star Wars toys.
So you might hate them, but the fact there is so much great stuff out there right now, is in part thanks to the prequels and SE's.

 

[devilof76]

Exactly. Everything offered by Sideshow, Master Replicas, eFx, Attackus, and Hasbro over the past ten years would more than likely have never been produced were it not for the PT.

There seem to be a lot of fans with the same problem they accuse Lucas of. Star Wars is not their own. Those who have no issue with culling from everything available in the license, that which they prefer have the right approach. Those who believe that the existence of elements of the license which they personally dislike are somehow degrading that which they do like, are in serious need of a check on their grossly overbearing pretentiousness.

 

[Star Puffs]

And you still have yet to contend as to what ethical principles you are standing by. I will assume, however, that you contend that your particular ethics are coextensive with ethics as such.

Well, OK we're really straying off-topic for a toy site, but since I am up late already doing work and tomorrow is a federal holiday in America...

Here is a list of ethical principles as articulated by the Josephon Institute a non-profit, non-partisan organisation, whose ethical framework is frequently taught in Anglo-American universities as part of accounting and auditing courses (yes, I got out an old textbook):

1. trustworthiness
2. respect
3. responsibility
4. fairness
5. caring
6. citizenship

Of course these are not universally regarded, but the auditing profession, the one Western societies entrust to certify trillions of dollars worth of transactions each year, feels these are worthy of being taught. And I'm pretty sure we're not a bunch of Communist hippies....

Lucas violates several of these for the reasons I argued in posts above, particularly respect and caring. I contrast Lucas' conduct with Ridley Scott, who allows the original cuts of his films to remain available, even though the studio at times actively prevented him from putting out the film he wanted to. Lucas essentially just wants to make the OT prettier and extant scripts have to the best of my knowledge Han Solo (my first love ) shooting first. He is being a spiteful putz.

OK, that was a long reply but I was not kidding earlier about how the grudge I bear Lucas. :emperor As an alternative I supposed I could have just invoked the South Park "Free Hat" episode.