How the new rule impacts this forum.

[bwayne]

Re: New forum rule

What if the heads that are being commissioned to be painted are themselves commissions?

If you already own the head, even if it was from a commission, I don't see it as a problem. You are making a deal between the painter and yourself.

 

[Deckard]

Re: New forum rule

What if the heads that are being commissioned to be painted are themselves commissions?

And how does it affect the for sale section, can Small Studios still paint any head or just licensed ones here? We'll never see cool outfits from BlindVoyouer like his Deckard, or figures like his and Les's Mola Ram.

And Dave letting us do it didn't work out? Really? Spenser, Les, Ryan, elvis, Small Studios, z, they all deliver awesome work everyday on commission, so who really didn't work out? Mr. Howes. And for that we all suffer? Cool.

This rule takes us from one of the coolest online communities that welcomed artists, customizers and people with talent, to telling them they are too dangerous and reckless to be trusted and reduces this site to nothing more then a glorified photo gallery, to show off the same pics of the same licensed figure and hear the same mindless dribble from people who aren't interested anyway about how it doesn't look like so and so should.

 

[Darklord Dave]

Re: New forum rule

so if the head done we can buy it from the artist or customizer???
and what about the orders out now are they over??

So for example, any of Zuno's threads regarding figure commissions, Serang's commissions, z(numbers)'s head sculpt commissions, etc, are not allowed?? Can they be done via PM?

What about custom headpaint or full figure commissions? Can we still solicit the likes of Rismo, smallstudios, and elvis1976 (to name a very very very small selection) to have our heads painted and figures commissioned?

This is huge. I'd say more than 50% of my time on this board is relating to commissions of some sort or another.

As stated above - if an original portrait sculpt has ALREADY been produced it's okay it to be shown. We want them to be shown. If someone wants to PM the poster and ask how to get one - I have no say in that.

But any organizing of a mass purchase of something that HASN'T been produced is not allowed.

Also this rule is mainly intended to stop the sale or covert solicitation from the studios churning out large amounts of large bootleg product.

The lone 1/6th customizer working in his basement is not impacted by this and should proceed as before.

Repaints are not effected - painters can show their work and offer their services, just as before.

The only ones that this rule really effects is the bootleg factories.

 

[Deckard]

Re: New forum rule

The only ones that this rule really effects is the bootleg factories.

But its not the case, it actually effects anyone and everyone.

Would a cane be a bootleg object? Just a 1/6 scale cane for House. Not House himself mind you, just the cane.

There aren't any 1/6 canes and no ones going to sue you for letting someone sculpt a cane here, but we can't even organise a commission for something like that now.

 

[Reinhardt]

Re: New forum rule

You have to admit that there is sense in that, going by recent events.

In some cases, or ONE case it hasn't worked, but in SO many cases it's worked great.

 

[Reinhardt]

Re: New forum rule

As stated above - if an original portrait sculpt has ALREADY been produced it's okay it to be shown. We want them to be shown. If someone wants to PM the poster and ask how to get one - I have no say in that.

But any organizing of a mass purchase of something that HASN'T been produced is not allowed.

Also this rule is mainly intended to stop the sale or covert solicitation from the studios churning out large amounts of large bootleg product.

The lone 1/6th customizer working in his basement is not impacted by this and should proceed as before.

Repaints are not effected - painters can show their work and offer their services, just as before.

The only ones that this rule really effects is the bootleg factories.

This is helpful Dave. One more clarifying question - how is a bootleg factory defined? I just want to make sure I'm not breaking any rules - there are many people that commission clothing sets, or headsculpts, but is a mass production more than 20, or 50?

Thanks.

 

[Darklord Dave]

Re: New forum rule

But its not the case, it actually effects anyone and everyone.

Would a cane be a bootleg object? Just a 1/6 scale cane for House. Not House himself mind you, just the cane.

There aren't any 1/6 canes and no ones going to sue you for letting someone sculpt a cane here, but we can't even organise a commission for something like that now.

Let's be serious You want to commission a 1/6 cane - go for it.

This forum has always been pretty laid back and I like to think I've been fairly reasonable and forgiving. We're not going to be any different in enforcing this rule.

 

[Apone]

Re: New forum rule

I was thinking of making a couple diorama backgrounds for the generic IKEA glass cases...and if it worked out and people were interested I would maybe make a small number to sell to anyone who was interested...is this in breach of the rules now? I dont think it is or are backgrounds, copyrighted.

 

[Darklord Dave]

Re: New forum rule

This is helpful Dave. One more clarifying question - how is a bootleg factory defined? I just want to make sure I'm not breaking any rules - there are many people that commission clothing sets, or headsculpts, but is a mass production more than 20, or 50?

Thanks.

Commissioning an original piece for a property that has no licensors? I don't think that would be an issue.

I'd say that over 5 would be considered mass produced.

Also discussion of 1/6th items like The Screaming or the Loading Toyz items are also allowed. Since the producers are not here soliciting their products it falls under a different category.

 

[Shai]

Re: New forum rule

THANK YOU, DAVE....FINALLY !!!!Awesome Initiative. I say Good Ridance !!!!Too much illegal stuff was going on there and con artists were running Amok in the custom section.


All Hail The Dark Lord.


The board will be a better place !!!

 

[Reinhardt]

Re: New forum rule

THANK YOU, DAVE....FINALLY !!!!Awesome Initiative. I say Good Ridance !!!!Too much illegal stuff was going on there and con artists were running Amok in the custom section.


All Hail The Dark Lord.


The board will be a better place !!!

Just because every single company seems to license Hulk product...

 

[Darklord Dave]

Re: New forum rule

I was thinking of making a couple diorama backgrounds for the generic IKEA glass cases...and if it worked out and people were interested I would maybe make a small number to sell to anyone who was interested...is this in breach of the rules now? I dont think it is or are backgrounds, copyrighted.

Nope, that's fine.

 

[Reinhardt]

Re: New forum rule

Commissioning an original piece for a property that has no licensors? I don't think that would be an issue.

I'd say that over 5 would be considered mass produced.

Also discussion of 1/6th items like The Screaming or the Loading Toyz items are also allowed. Since the producers are not here soliciting their products it falls under a different category.

Thanks Dave. One more question - sorry for all the questions.

If I have someone commission me to make a Terminator 1 figure (for example) from scratch, with the head coming from someone else on this board (a commission) - can I post pics of the final product? If not, why not?

While I understand why this policy is important, I don't fully understand it. Is this site maintained by Sideshow, or does Sideshow pay us to maintain this site? My understanding was that this was a fan site entirely. If that is the case, then what is the problem?

 

[Shai]

Re: New forum rule

my understanding was that this was a fan site entirely. If that is the case, then what is the problem?

dave could end up having legal procedures taking against him because he's the administrator of a site that house different illegal and unlincensed products.he should have done this a long time ago imo.

 

[the vampire with soul]

Re: New forum rule

sounds far thanks Dave for clearing that up a bit...Now I know why your the Darklord

 

[Darklord Dave]

Re: New forum rule

Thanks Dave. One more question - sorry for all the questions.

If I have someone commission me to make a Terminator 1 figure (for example) from scratch, with the head coming from someone else on this board (a commission) - can I post pics of the final product? If not, why not?

Yes you can and it is encouraged for you to do so. As stated above, the rule doesn't effect the customizer making figures for his own enjoyment. You could even sell one of that custom in the sales forum.

While I understand why this policy is important, I don't fully understand it. Is this site maintained by Sideshow, or does Sideshow pay us to maintain this site? My understanding was that this was a fan site entirely. If that is the case, then what is the problem?

The smart aleck answer is "Illegal is illegal," why should we allow illegal activities on the board?

But the truth is that Sideshow supports the forum by way of affiliate sales - just as they do OSW, Statue Forum, Ain't it Cool News and hundreds of other websites and forums. They have certain rules for affiliates and I believe one of those rules might be "don't ^^^^ where you eat."

 

[Reinhardt]

Re: New forum rule

Thanks for your responses Dave. Much appreciated.

 

[FQRizzo]

Re: New forum rule

dave could end up having legal procedures taking against him because he's the administrator of a site that house different illegal and unlincensed products.he should have done this a long time ago imo.

Totally agree. I would rather have them gone then run the risk of this site getting shut down because some people want to mass produce their unlicensed "wares".

 

[Darklord Dave]

You all may have seen this new rule:
https://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61674

Anything posted in this section before the rule went into effect can play out as it would have. Commissions in process can be discussed.

However it means that we can't have any more "interest" threads for prospective 1/6th portraits. I've noticed that many, if not most, of the threads in this forum are basically - "wouldn't it be cool if..." this or that sculpt were commissioned. That's not really a serious commission, just discussion of something we'd like to see produced. So it doesn't really belong in this forum.

If you're organizing a group commission for a sculpt it needs to be conducted off the forum. Ideally a single person would commission something and then sell it after it's produced.

If a sculptor or someone who commissioned a sculpt wants to sell a completed 1/6th portrait sculpt in this forum - that's fine too.

 

[Kibishii]

Re: New forum rule

I actually think it is good that Dave is doing this. By allowing bootlegs, counterfeits, and unlicensed items, Dave is opening the webpage up to legal issues and I am sure he doesn't want to deal with hundreds of PMs once the bootlegger takes off with people's money. With the growth of the Asian 1/4th producers, I just saw major problems waiting to happen.

Don't get me wrong, I know it really, really sucks when you know that your favorite character may never be available in your favorite format. I was really tempted to buy an unlicensed 1/4th Marvel character that looked great, but I just couldn't justify a) buying an unlicensed item and b) the risk involved with sending $500+ with no protection whatsoever. Like everyone else, there are character that I really want made.

I don't want to be the hypocrite that judges people for buying/downloading bootleg movies, music, games, and unlicensed knockoffs and then go and buy an unlicensed statue just because it is of a character that I really want. Especially when some of these people are most likely the same people that have made counterfeit Ironmen and Hulk/Spiderman dios.