IM3 suits - Everything we know so far...

[Henry Morgan*]

Why some people are suddenly saying there won't be any standard MMS IM3 figures? just Tony? did I miss something? .. I doubt HT would be THAT stupid, I'm still waiting for a standard MMS Mark XLII

 

[Spanbauer]

I'd like to think it's to create consumer choice.

People who want it and have the cash can get the die-cast, those who can't/don't want to spend that much can get the MMS and those that can't/don't want to spend that much that can get the PPS.

If HT can't have all your money they'd rather have some of it than none at all.

I'm suspecting PPS is the "budget" product for those who don't want to pay for die-cast. A person can spend $165 for the plastic statue, or $309 for the die-cast figure; I'd be surprised if they offered a plastic figure between those two price points, and I suspect the whole point of the PPS line is so the MMS iron men can move to the more expensive die-cast materials while still offering an "affordable" alternative for collectors.

 

[subzro]

Why some people are suddenly saying there won't be any standard MMS IM3 figures? just Tony? did I miss something? .. I doubt HT would be THAT stupid, I'm still waiting for a standard MMS Mark XLII

We are all waiting but it wouldn't make much sense to offer a standard MMS at $275 and the exact same MMS but in die-cast at $310. The prices are to close together.

I would love for HT to prove me wrong.

 

[Wake]

We are all waiting but it wouldn't make much sense to offer a standard MMS at $275 and the exact same MMS but in die-cast at $310. The prices are to close together.

I would love for HT to prove me wrong.

PLUS.. the pps is at 150. It just doesn't add up. And with hot toys MMS prices rising who's to say that this price hike doesnt have more to do with Hot Toys pricing customs than with the material change.

 

[tdk5]

We are all waiting but it wouldn't make much sense to offer a standard MMS at $275 and the exact same MMS but in die-cast at $310. The prices are to close together.

I would love for HT to prove me wrong.

I somehow feel that they're going diecast only for the 2 main armors of the movie (IP & Mark XLII) - cos' they'll most likely be the most in-demand armors among the rest - and going plastic for the others.

 

[Wake]

I somehow feel that they're going diecast only for the 2 main armors of the movie (IP & Mark XLII) - cos' they'll most likely be the most in-demand armors among the rest - and going plastic for the others.

The movie hasn't been released yet. You've only seen whats in the trailer. Remember how you barely saw the hulk in the avengers trailers? Heartbreaker armor is apparantly the one worn in the final battle. Have to believe that will factor in. Also deep space armor is rumored to play in to the guardians movie.

 

[tdk5]

The movie hasn't been released yet. You've only seen whats in the trailer. Remember how you barely saw the hulk in the avengers trailers? Heartbreaker armor is apparantly the one worn in the final battle. Have to believe that will factor in. Also deep space armor is rumored to play in to the guardians movie.

yea, but i don't think HT will go diecast for the entire IM 3 line because it seems like a risky move. Trying out something new will pay off faster if they had a product that they reasonably believe will sell out; collectors like me who are not completists would only want the "main armors" of the movie I think.

And the perceived main armors of the movie currently, as the marketing team of IM 3 would lead us to believe, seems to be the IP & Mark XLII.

Of course they would add more down the road, but I just don't see them going only PPS and Diecast for the entire IM 3 line, considering people have been perfectly happy with the plastic versions released over the past few years.

 

[badrat]

I somehow feel that they're going diecast only for the 2 main armors of the movie (IP & Mark XLII) - cos' they'll most likely be the most in-demand armors among the rest - and going plastic for the others.

If they go that route as a special feature of sorts, I could see myself forking over the cash for those two figures. But if this is the route of the future for all IMs, I'm gonna have to pass.

 

[Wake]

yea, but i don't think HT will go diecast for the entire IM 3 line because it seems like a risky move. Trying out something new will pay off faster if they had a product that they reasonably believe will sell out; collectors like me who are not completists would only want the "main armors" of the movie I think.

And the perceived main armors of the movie currently, as the marketing team of IM 3 would lead us to believe, seems to be the IP & Mark XLII.

Of course they would add more down the road, but I just don't see them going only PPS and Diecast for the entire IM 3 line, considering people have been perfectly happy with the plastic versions released over the past few years.

You got it all wrong brother. Risky would be offering a plastic version and selling less Diecast models. Hot Toys has made a significant investment in either buying new diecast plants/factories, leasing them or repurposing them. Do they really want to hurt their sales by pushing the fringe buyer (those on the fence) towards a cheaper option when the alternative is just to wait them out while thet crack and give in and spend what HT wants them to?! No. Besides, Hot toys wants their plastics factories churning out other figures.

This is a LOOOOONG term investment on their part. They don't care if the sales are slow at first or if they lose a few customers, because eventually people become accustomed the price point (most of us who have been around a while can attest to the outcry of the first $200 HT figure when its now absolutely commonplace). On top of that eventually everyone will come to grips with the reality that their product is the only product and if you want IM figures you are going to have to pay the price they set. It's the principles behind ALL sales.

BUSINESS 1-Oh-1.

Most of you in here thinking hot toys will make plastic MMS versions of IM3 armors are delusional or in denial. IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO OFFER BOTH. The investment HT has made in the factories precludes an ALL OR NOTHING mentality. Rightfully so.

 

[tdk5]

You got it all wrong brother. Risky would be offering a plastic version and selling less Diecast models. Hot Toys has made a significant investment in either buying new diecast plants/factories, leasing them or repurposing them. Do they really want to hurt their sales by pushing the fringe buyer (those on the fence) towards a cheaper option when the alternative is just to wait them out while thet crack and give in and spend what you want them to?! No. Besides, Hot toys wants their plastics factories churning out other figures.

This is a LOOOOONG term investment on their part. They don't care if the sales are slow at first or if they lose a few customers, because eventually people become accustomed the price point (most of us who have been around a while can attest to the outcry of the first $200 HT figure when its now absolutely commonplace). On top of that eventually everyone will come to grips with the reality that there product is the only product and if you want IM figures you are going to have to pay the price they set.

BUSINESS 1-Oh-1.

Most of your in here thinking hot toys will make plastic MMS versions of IM3 armors are delusional or in denial.

Thanks for the oh-so-informative business 101 lecture. Maybe we have different ways of looking at risk; risky for me would personally be putting all your eggs in 1 basket (i.e. making all armors die cast with no track record of probable QC problems), when the original product line (plastic MMS) has always proved to be popular.

I thought delusional would be thinking that they BUILT (I believe companies like HT & EB outsource production) an entirely NEW plant to produce like...what...5-10 diecast figures? Or that a company would suddenly go from designing toys to actually be in the business of building &/or leasing out production facilities.

Of course I wish it were true, because it would certainly reduce those annoying 4-5 month delays and ensuring that we IM fans get our hands on them armors faster.

 

[subzro]

You got it all wrong brother. Risky would be offering a plastic version and selling less Diecast models. Hot Toys has made a significant investment in either buying new diecast plants/factories, leasing them or repurposing them. Do they really want to hurt their sales by pushing the fringe buyer (those on the fence) towards a cheaper option when the alternative is just to wait them out while thet crack and give in and spend what HT wants them to?! No. Besides, Hot toys wants their plastics factories churning out other figures.

This is a LOOOOONG term investment on their part. They don't care if the sales are slow at first or if they lose a few customers, because eventually people become accustomed the price point (most of us who have been around a while can attest to the outcry of the first $200 HT figure when its now absolutely commonplace). On top of that eventually everyone will come to grips with the reality that their product is the only product and if you want IM figures you are going to have to pay the price they set. It's the principles behind ALL sales.

BUSINESS 1-Oh-1.

Most of you in here thinking hot toys will make plastic MMS versions of IM3 armors are delusional or in denial. IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO OFFER BOTH. The investment HT has made in the factories precludes an ALL OR NOTHING mentality. Rightfully so.

Thanks for the oh-so-informative business 101 lecture. Maybe we have different ways of looking at risk; risky for me would personally be putting all your eggs in 1 basket (i.e. making all armors die cast with no track record of probable QC problems), when the original product line (plastic MMS) has always proved to be popular.

I thought delusional would be thinking that they BUILT (I believe companies like HT & EB outsource production) an entirely NEW plant to produce like...what...5-10 diecast figures? Of course I wish it were true, because it would certainly reduce those annoying 4-5 month delays and ensuring that we IM fans get our hands on them armors faster.

They are redoing the entire line in die-cast and adding some new ones (iron whiplash) so it might end up being more like 15 to 20.

 

[ThatIsTooReal]

No reason for them to go back to plastic. They're redoing the suits from the old film yes? So why pump out one or two plastic figures for the IM3 line when they can push out this new brand new lines with revisions of the old suits to grab new fans?

Waste of money and resources for them to do plastic ones.

 

[mikericm]

The more I think about this, I'm starting to lean towards Diecast MMS are going to be considered the normal MMS for all Iron Man figures in this line. That's why they used the next available MMS number instead of doing what they did for the DX line. The D1 behind MMS195 is simply to have this particular figure recognized as being Diecast. Otherwise, they would have started a new MMS series called DC. Just like they did for DX.

Just another opinion.

 

[tdk5]

They are redoing the entire line in die-cast and adding some new ones (iron whiplash) so it might end up being more like 15 to 20.

HT only managed to churn out 9 unique IM figures in 5 years...so unless they're planning to continue the IM line for the next 10 years or so, I don't think they will hit that ballpark? Considering that Iron Man 3 and Avengers 2 will probably be the last time we see Iron Man for some time, I wouldn't think that that would happen.

Well anyway, as I said, hopefully that new diecast plant info were true, then we wouldn't have to contend with anymore delays

 

[Wake]

Thanks for the oh-so-informative business 101 lecture. Maybe we have different ways of looking at risk; risky for me would personally be putting all your eggs in 1 basket (i.e. making all armors die cast with no track record of probable QC problems), when the original product line (plastic MMS) has always proved to be popular.

I thought delusional would be thinking that they BUILT (I believe companies like HT & EB outsource production) an entirely NEW plant to produce like...what...5-10 diecast figures? Or that a company would suddenly go from designing toys to actually be in the business of building &/or leasing out production facilities.

Of course I wish it were true, because it would certainly reduce those annoying 4-5 month delays and ensuring that we IM fans get our hands on them armors faster.

We will see who is right.

 

[Mogli]

Hm...the price is around $300, and I was expecting more like $400 for the diecast line. But this is about the same price as Battle Damaged T-800...that tells me even if it wasn't diecast, it probably would've been around this price anyway, so I see little hope for an all-plastic one. I hope I'm wrong.

I know that new T-800 is a DX with PERS, but with all prices going up, I already expected the new plastic Iron Man figures to be close to $300. It's not that I mind diecast (although I hope it doesn't weigh too much), but it's a first-time thing for HT, and I'll likely hold off buying until I see the QC issues...

I had a bad feeling that right when I started collecting Iron Man figures, something like this would happen.

 

[DrQ2]

They are redoing the entire line in die-cast and adding some new ones (iron whiplash) so it might end up being more like 15 to 20.

Let's put it like this. Business 1/1

No one knows this issue number, ht can an have made more. Loki. I will be passing on it. I don't see the value of it. $300.00 for this. On he other hand I did see the value of judge dredd hero helmets and vest. One you can fill you're gas tank twice
The other you can buy the car.

 

[Lejuan]

We will see who is right.

Personally I can't see HT doing both a diecast and plastic version for the one suit, for all the reasons you mention.

 

[badrat]

Obviously, we're all speculating. Which is very fun to do. But man, some of you guys come off like you're part of HT board meetings when you disagree with someone else's speculation. My word.

 

[ThatIsTooReal]

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