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I hate to say it, but maybe the artists should no longer interact on the open forum if all they get is negativity and complaining. Make their stuff, put it up for sale and if you like it, then buy it. I don't think the buyers understand how much time and energy it takes constantly going back and forth with multiple people in multiple threads + PMs + email.

This attitude of everyone tying to steer the car only gets into a wreck. And it's gotten worse lately as this hobby has become more popular. :(
 
I'm in the worried group. People want to pay less at one time and get a faster turnaround; I get that, but what happens when Denny has to raise prices because he's not getting enough to make the figures and we see less and less revisions with each release; that seems like it's the future at the rate these boards are going. Point is, I don't even know if I can swing Tuco and Angel Eyes now, but, if they start approaching DX Blondie territory, that's it. I just think that people should reevaluate what it is they want before they act on it.
 
Damn, this kind of sale imo doesnt disrespect the 30 day rule, as long as the sale isnt made trough forum.., if you see that way i have atm 4 things bought trough forum and doesn arrive yet ( 2 of them with more than 4 months).
Let the man anounce his projects in peace..
This forum sucks sometimes
 
But doesn't Enterbay only solicit products once they are ready to ship, or are just about to ship? Even if they don't, it's much more of a gray area with stuff like this, because Enterbay, or even some retailers like KG Hobby may take money upfront, but they aren't active members here trying to receive input and solicit products themselves or through a proxy such as Wake. The board does allow links and discussion of places that take full payment upfront, and seems to have always allowed that. But I see Iminime as essentially a larger scale version of an individual selling his own customs. He's got a website of his own (now two), and doesn't operate exclusively within the board, but there are more similarities to the kinds of custom artists Dave had in mind when he made that rule than there are differences IMO. And even back when that rule was put in place, many of these guys also had eBay stores, their own websites, and sold through OSW or other places. So I don't think SSF exclusivity was ever a necessary condition.

Of course, at any time Dave could come in here and contradict what I'm saying, at which point it might be a moot point. If what anyone does here doesn't violate the spirit of board rules and norms as the admin envisions them, then it really isn't my concern anymore. But I wouldn't try to justify them based on a technicality. One of the reasons I'm saying that I think this needs to be a dialogue is because I believe there are other voices that need to be involved in this conversation where opinions are discussed and digested--preferably in the open so the forum membership can really consider and understand these issues.

I think that conception is somewhat flawed. I don't see many custom artists who have an entire staff to pay, nor do I see any with such a loaded schedule (which is, seemingly, always expanding). If it's because the work he is doing is unlicensed; well, I don't believe that Hot Toys had George Lucas' likeness rights in the beginning.;) The problem, it seems, is that you're viewing IMINIME as Denny Kim, and, forgive me if I'm misinterpreting; IMINIME isn't Denny Kim, though, it's Denny Kim's company, and I think it should be afforded the same treatment as one.
 
Again it's hard to come down on any side of the argument for me without seemingly being viewed as partial. Full disclosure: I am.

But having said that it appears to me that Dave would WANT and be proud to have bill or Howard as a not only a participating member but also taking criticism and hearing opinions on releases. Why would Dave want to alienate Denny?! To be honest it doesn't make any sense especially when the rules in question are not black and white. I'm almost positive it was this veiled threat (an agenda that only you Sam have been propagating) that I believe cause Denny to be pushed over the top
 
I think that conception is somewhat flawed. I don't see many custom artists who have an entire staff to pay, nor do I see any with such a loaded schedule (which is, seemingly, always expanding). If it's because the work he is doing is unlicensed; well, I don't believe that Hot Toys had George Lucas' likeness rights in the beginning.;) The problem, it seems, is that you're viewing IMINIME as Denny Kim, and, forgive me if I'm misinterpreting; IMINIME isn't Denny Kim, though, it's Denny Kim's company, and I think it should be afforded the same treatment as one.

This is another very valid point.
 
At the end of the day, half the start ups in the world wouldn't get anywhere without investors who had faith in them. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I look at this the same way, except that we happen to be getting awesome Collectibles for our money.:lol
 
But I wouldn't try to justify them based on a technicality.

Well the only reason why I chose to answer in that manner is because of that FAQ post you made. If you wouldn't want to justify the situation based on technicality you shouldn't have included that in your response.

One of the reasons I'm saying that I think this needs to be a dialogue is because I believe there are other voices that need to be involved in this conversation where opinions are discussed and digested--preferably in the open so the forum membership can really consider and understand these issues.

As I said, we completely understand this concern. Denny has also gone to the extent of saying that this is how he would like things to work in the future but beyond that there is nothing the man can do at this point in time.

But what we can do is sit back and let him run things according to the way he has planned and then make our individual judgement.

It was pretty understandable for the man to come off with a sour taste in his mouth as he had given this forum utmost importance in every project, but yet he was met with harsh criticism.

I'm all for such a discussion but this should be conducted in a milder and mature manner rather than accusations and blurting out stuff without much thought.

I'm almost positive it was this veiled threat (an agenda that only you Sam have been propagating) that I believe cause Denny to be pushed over the top

Wake, I don't think karamazov's intentions have any malice. He spoke for himself and as a Mod (maybe) represented the administration . Was that the smartest thing to do ? No. But I don't think his opinion / thoughts are a threat.

This is an open forum and Right or Wrong, everybody can share their views.
 
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There's also one very important thing on the line for Iminime: REPUTATION.

Very true. There's a lot more at stake here than just our money. Denny's got big plans, and, as much as I love all the work that he's doing here, it seems like this is all a stepping stone until he hits the big leagues. I don't see him ruining that with the "get rich quick" scheme that some of you are worried about(a very extreme example, I might add; which, to be completely honest, I feel would justify Denny in feeling the way he does).
 
Again it's hard to come down on any side of the argument for me without seemingly being viewed as partial. Full disclosure: I am.

But having said that it appears to me that Dave would WANT and be proud to have bill or Howard as a not only a participating member but also taking criticism and hearing opinions on releases. Why would Dave want to alienate Denny?! To be honest it doesn't make any sense especially when the rules in question are not black and white. I'm almost positive it was this veiled threat (an agenda that only you Sam have been propagating) that I believe cause Denny to be pushed over the top
That's fine if you think that way. I hope it isn't true regarding Denny's actions, and I'm sure Dave would like to see Denny remain involved on the board if possible. But yes, I do have an agenda in attempting to interpret and promote Dave's wishes, which include providing protection toward the forum membership broadly defined. Just as you have a role as Denny's spokesman, this is one of my roles. Of course, Dave is always welcome to chime in and make an authoritative decision, if you want to push for that.

As for annihilate's claim that this hasn't been a mild and mature discussion, please point out where this occurred. I'm sorry that Denny seems to have taken some offense to discussions by myself, Pop, and others, but it wasn't for people being disrespectful or immature that I have seen. The discussions have been far more civil than we have seen, say, in Rainman threads, even regarding suggested changes to weapons or sculpts or whatever. And as for posting without much thought, I have been discussing these issues in some variety for a very long time, in public and with other mods and the admin, regarding multiple custom artists, so it isn't like they just popped into my head last week.

To batfan's post, no one is accusing Denny of trying to screw anyone, nor have they ever done so that I am aware of. Denny has a flawless reputation to my knowledge.
 
Again I beseech any supporters of Iminime to please let I go. Lets steer the conversation away from the negative ok?
 
Only if you don't fully understand the arguments. I explicitly said earlier that many of the previous custom artist issues were totally unintentional, but they happened. Dave then thought we needed some protections against them happening again, and thus, the forum policy was changed.
 
So Iminime's The Cowboy is pretty much the greatest action figure ever made. I'm ridiculously happy I will be able to enjoy it :)
 
The open forum won't change, the arguments and complaints/complainers won't go away. The only solution is for iminime to stop reading it on the regular.

Iminime should make the best stuff they can under the best business model they can and if people want to argue/discuss back and forth they certainly can but Denny is right to step away from that and focus on production. SSF forum scares away another one. :lol
 
I just picked up the full set Tyler and narrator as well as the first officer based on the awesome customer support that Denny and Iminime have showed...the likeness improvements really also pushed me into just buying these customs.... it would really suck to lose a great asset to this community as far as interaction with Denny..
 
I just picked up the full set Tyler and narrator as well as the first officer based on the awesome customer support that Denny and Iminime have showed...the likeness improvements really also pushed me into just buying these customs.... it would really suck to lose a great asset to this community as far as interaction with Denny..

Same here I picked up the Iminime Tyler too. I am just so impressed by this figure and all the improvements it's been through. May even try to pick up the Narrator too lol! I appreciate all that Denny does for the fans not many customizers would do half the things he does. He has a great team, as well as people like Wake to promote and deal with customers in the US and Canada. I hope this just blows over with him, he's a huge asset to this forum.
 
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