INCEPTION Discussion Thread (***Spoilers!!!***)

[RICEaRONI]

Interesting. Wonder if this is another case of people seeing patterns that aren't there, or if it was intentional...

It's actually there. In an interview with Zimmer he said it was intentional

 

[Maglor]

It's actually there. In an interview with Zimmer he said it was intentional

That's awesome!


Do you have a link to that interview?

 

[CelticPredator]

Everything up until the plane ride (minus the opening) is real. That's a fact. After they go into the dreams, that's on you.

 

[Maglor]

It's interesting that the hardcore "dream theory" people haven't said much in here lately...

 

[CelticPredator]

Thankfully. I mean, i'm fine with the "end is a dream" but the whole movie? Nah man....

 

[Maglor]

I have yet to hear anyone give an explanation for how the end could be a dream. I mean, obviously Noland did a few things to cast doubt, but by what mechanism did Cobb get vaulted from Limbo to a dream world. A very complex dream world with planes and airports and his house and his children (including their faces). When I watched it the second time I looked for anything that might point in that direction, and there is nothing.


Also, I still think that the ending's "dreamy" quality, along with the fact that Noland cuts the scene before the top falls is not simply to cast doubt. it allows us to exercise the same faith that Cobb has in the end. Cobb no longer struggles with the question of what is real. He has suffered with cognitive dissonance ever since his wife's death, along with being weighed down with guilt for 'causing her death.' When he lets her go, he lets go of guilt and doubt. We as a viewer can choose to keep doubting or follow Cobb to the end of his journey and embrace the truth with faith.

 

[RICEaRONI]

That's awesome!


Do you have a link to that interview?

heres the interview with Zimmer

https://latimesblogs.latimes.com/he...the-sound-of-inception-its-about-sadness.html

 

[Maglor]

heres the interview with Zimmer

https://latimesblogs.latimes.com/he...the-sound-of-inception-its-about-sadness.html

Thanks!


Can't wait for the bluray, and all the extras!

 

[CelticPredator]

I have yet to hear anyone give an explanation for how the end could be a dream. I mean, obviously Noland did a few things to cast doubt, but by what mechanism did Cobb get vaulted from Limbo to a dream world. A very complex dream world with planes and airports and his house and his children (including their faces). When I watched it the second time I looked for anything that might point in that direction, and there is nothing.


Also, I still think that the ending's "dreamy" quality, along with the fact that Noland cuts the scene before the top falls is not simply to cast doubt. it allows us to exercise the same faith that Cobb has in the end. Cobb no longer struggles with the question of what is real. He has suffered with cognitive dissonance ever since his wife's death, along with being weighed down with guilt for 'causing her death.' When he lets her go, he lets go of guilt and doubt. We as a viewer can choose to keep doubting or follow Cobb to the end of his journey and embrace the truth with faith.

It's all up to you. But i've had very complex dream enviorments with a ton of people, all interacting. It's not like it couldnt have been

 

[Maglor]

Okay, so how did he get to that dream then?

 

[CelticPredator]

He never went back. You never saw him shoot himself. It's up to you.

 

[Maglor]

If he "never went back" how did he get out of Limbo and into constructed dream space?

 

[CelticPredator]

he stayed in limbo. Or he went up a level.

The point isnt if it was a dream or not. It was that Cobb does not care.

 

[Maglor]

he stayed in limbo.

No. Limbo is unconstructed dream space and looks decidedly different than a dream.

Or he went up a level.

What like level three? The snow world? All the levels fell apart as the respective dreamers work up.

The point isnt if it was a dream or not. It was that Cobb does not care.

Well I just can't buy that. I believe that Cobb would not be happy with it being a dream. Again, he walks away from the top, not because he doesn't care whether it falls, but because he knows it will fall, and his kids are more important than being distracted by old doubts.

After hugging his kids he will come in to make a sandwich or something and there the top will be laying on the counter, just like he knew it would be.

I can't understand why anyone would want the ending to be a dream. Induced dreaming is shown in a pretty negative light in this movie. In the dreaming basement, it looks like a freaking opium den. Those people were addicts who are trying to escape the real, world no matter how the old guy in the basement tried to spin it. Cobb lets go of that addiction and fully embraces reality. He used to be obsessed with the induced dream world because 'in his dreams he and Mal are together', but since he has let her go, he doesn't need that "hit" anymore.

I am proud and happy for him. And I believe he is right.

 

[CelticPredator]

But...that WAS the whole point! He struggled with the notion that his world wasnt real. He had to check each and everytime he entered and exited the dream world. He never had a clear grasp on reality. By the end of the movie, he spins the top, trying to figure out if it's real or not...but he stops looking at the top. He walks away. He does not care if this is reality or a dream. That's what the ending symbolizes. His abilty to let go, and appreciate what he has. He's with his kids. That's all he cares about.

 

[tylerdurden]

i agree with maglor.

 

[CelticPredator]

Then you didnt get the ending....because that's what it ment...

That was pretty clear. Cobb was done worrying about the state of reality. He was happy. His kids were there. He was free of his mind.

I dont see how that's a bad ending either way. Dream or not...it was about Cobb. Not you. If you think he's in the real world, thats fine. If you think it's a dream...thats fine as well. The point is Cobb living his life, and not falling victim to his mind like Mal did.

 

[BadMoon]

Ok now that I've given it a good night to digest I will give my VERY brief opinion on the end.

I don't believe it was a dream. When the screen goes to black you can hear the top falling. However, I guess you have to believe whether or not the "totems" are actually meaningful in the first place. I do believe as others have posted that when he walked away from it he simply didn't care anymore.

Now my only question is this. Why couldn't he see his kids in the first place? What was holding him back? Unless I missed something the film never really discussed that part.

My only take on the matter is that he was not allowed back into the country for some reason. And his reward from Saito for doing the job was a simple phone call that allowed Cobb back into the country. Hence the heavy emphasis on the passport scene.

Either way I loved the movie! I can't wait to see it again!

 

[meth head]

Ok now that I've given it a good night to digest I will give my VERY brief opinion on the end.

I don't believe it was a dream. When the screen goes to black you can hear the top falling. However, I guess you have to believe whether or not the "totems" are actually meaningful in the first place. I do believe as others have posted that when he walked away from it he simply didn't care anymore.

Now my only question is this. Why couldn't he see his kids in the first place? What was holding him back? Unless I missed something the film never really discussed that part.

My only take on the matter is that he was not allowed back into the country for some reason. And his reward from Saito for doing the job was a simple phone call that allowed Cobb back into the country. Hence the heavy emphasis on the passport scene.

Either way I loved the movie! I can't wait to see it again!

Are you kidding

 

[BadMoon]

Are you kidding

What am I right? LOL!