INCEPTION Discussion Thread (***Spoilers!!!***)

[RICEaRONI]

You make a good point, but if we're going by what you said, it still doesn't change the fact that we never actually see the faces of the younger kids, thusly casting the whole lot based on their similarity of appearance wouldn't really matter, right?

Also, only the young actresses are related. The kid who plays the young version of James is Magnus Nolan, who is not related to the boy who plays the older James. So really, casting one set of siblings is nothing out of the ordinary for film productions.

I want to be wrong, but the possibility that the older kids were used for the phone call scene still holds. We'll have to wait for a screen cap of the kids in the movie to be sure.

we surely do, during the beach flashback

 

[Maglor]

hmm, pretty sure we don't see them then either.

 

[RICEaRONI]

hmm, pretty sure we don't see them then either.

go see it again

 

[plasmid303]

Do we? Huh. I'm not even 100% sure on that one one way or another. I've seen the film twice and still some small details escape me. However, wasn't Cobb and Ariadne present during that scene? I thought Cobb made it clear throughout the movie that he couldn't/won't see their faces?

 

[blakus939]

It's specifically said in the first level down that Eames would play the role of Berenger for the first level and the Fischer's subconscious would pick up where Eames left off in the following levels. The hope was that Fischer's projection of him would follow the path started by Eames and it works perfectly.

So confusing, I need to see this again

 

[CelticPredator]

Yeah we saw the kids at the beach...but that was a past memory when he and Mal were together...his last chance to see them was cut short, so he never wanted to see thier projections in his dreams. He wanted to see them.

 

[Dusty]

Having just seen it and not having read any of the rest of this thread... here's my take (sorry if it's repeating things that have already been stated)...

It's ALL a dream. Cobb is nuts / a vegetable. There's no such thing as being able to go into peoples' heads via some sort of dream technology. It's Cobb's brain's explanation for his physical state of being. His wife as "the villain" is his subconscious' way of trying to make him wake up, but his brain won't allow it for some reason. his wife is living in the 'real' world with the real kids, watching over Cobb's comatose body somewhere, not able to wake him up.

Even if that's not a "correct" viewing of it, and there's some "reality" to the whole dream extraction/inception thing, the ending was DEFINITELY a dream... I mean, what are the odds that his kids would look exactly the same and be wearing the same clothes as the day he left them?

Regardless, the movie's awesome! Loved the soundtrack, and I love that there's no answer and that he could make it as ridiculous as he wanted and it wouldn't matter... because there's no answer. 9/10

 

[Dusty]

... AND I love that it's making so much money... it's about darn time that a movie like this makes some bucks!

 

[Silent December]

... AND I love that it's making so much money... it's about darn time that a movie like this makes some bucks!

totally agree! I know movies like this one are rare but it sends a message to hollywood that you don't have to a mindless blockbuster in 3-D to make good box office.

 

[CelticPredator]

Having just seen it and not having read any of the rest of this thread... here's my take (sorry if it's repeating things that have already been stated)...

It's ALL a dream. Cobb is nuts / a vegetable. There's no such thing as being able to go into peoples' heads via some sort of dream technology. It's Cobb's brain's explanation for his physical state of being. His wife as "the villain" is his subconscious' way of trying to make him wake up, but his brain won't allow it for some reason. his wife is living in the 'real' world with the real kids, watching over Cobb's comatose body somewhere, not able to wake him up.

Even if that's not a "correct" viewing of it, and there's some "reality" to the whole dream extraction/inception thing, the ending was DEFINITELY a dream... I mean, what are the odds that his kids would look exactly the same and be wearing the same clothes as the day he left them?

Regardless, the movie's awesome! Loved the soundtrack, and I love that there's no answer and that he could make it as ridiculous as he wanted and it wouldn't matter... because there's no answer. 9/10

No.

There may be interpretations to the ending, but the movie is what it is. it's not all dream, because there was no hint to any of that? When did we ever hint at Cobb going into a coma? When did we ever hint that Cobb was always dreaming?

I could say Cobb was abducted by Aliens who look like Christopher Walken, and it would the the same as the theory you stated. There's nothing to suggest that.

The movie's deep in it's subtexts, not it's plot. The plot is (sorta...I mean, compared to the rest of the flick lol) simple.

 

[SnakeDoctor]

Even if that's not a "correct" viewing of it, and there's some "reality" to the whole dream extraction/inception thing, the ending was DEFINITELY a dream... I mean, what are the odds that his kids would look exactly the same and be wearing the same clothes as the day he left them?

It appears the kids at the end weren't the same kids. Two sets of kids are in the cast ... one set 2-years older than the other. They look the same because the kids that were cast are related.

SnakeDoc

 

[Dusty]

No.

There may be interpretations to the ending, but the movie is what it is. it's not all dream, because there was no hint to any of that? When did we ever hint at Cobb going into a coma? When did we ever hint that Cobb was always dreaming?

I could say Cobb was abducted by Aliens who look like Christopher Walken, and it would the the same as the theory you stated. There's nothing to suggest that.

The movie's deep in it's subtexts, not it's plot. The plot is (sorta...I mean, compared to the rest of the flick lol) simple.

Exactly. It's a dream... you don't know how you got there; could be coma, could be aliens, could be reality - who's to say?

Actually, it's a perfect allegory of stories themselves. A fiction film or story is someone's dream made to feel real. It's still a dream. Star Wars is a DREAM, but it's some peoples' reality. It's not even worth fighting over; there is no answer... similar to religion

 

[BadMoon]

Exactly. It's a dream... you don't know how you got there; could be coma, could be aliens, could be reality - who's to say?

Actually, it's a perfect allegory of stories themselves. A fiction film or story is someone's dream made to feel real. It's still a dream. Star Wars is a DREAM, but it's some peoples' reality. It's not even worth fighting over; there is no answer... similar to religion

ALL I KNOW DUSTY IS THIS:

VLAD ARRIVES ON MONDAY! THAT SHAT AINT NO DREAM!

 

[Dusty]

ALL I KNOW DUSTY IS THIS:

VLAD ARRIVES ON MONDAY! THAT SHAT AINT NO DREAM!

... or is it...

 

[BadMoon]

... or is it...

LOL! Hope there isn't a big brick in the box!

I would have gotten the brick for a prick deal I do believe.

 

[Dusty]

Life is a dream... and then you die.

 

[BadMoon]

Life is a dream... and then you die.

Stop it! It's Friday!

 

[Maglor]

^^^^^

Get a room.




And congrats on your grail BM.

 

[Maglor]

I could say Cobb was abducted by Aliens who look like Christopher Walken, and it would the the same as the theory you stated. There's nothing to suggest that.

Exactly. You could make the id's all a dream argument about any movie ever made. As I said earlier, if you arguee that it was all a dream, we are no longer discussing the movie, we are debating philosophy.

There may be interpretations to the ending, but the movie is what it is. it's not all dream, because there was no hint to any of that? When did we ever hint at Cobb going into a coma? When did we ever hint that Cobb was always dreaming?

Well you could say there was one hint. When Cobb is being chased by the Cobal people in the real world, there is that bit where the buildings "close in" as he's trying to escape. That is a classic nightmare archetype. Noland either left this in to add to the feel of the movie or to give the "it's all a dream' theory people a little something to hold on to. But to build the whole theory on that is silly.

The movie's deep in it's subtexts, not it's plot. The plot is (sorta...I mean, compared to the rest of the flick lol) simple.

Well said. Once people settle on their interpretation of what happened, the subtext is what will resonate in the long term.

 

[automaton]

the end may be a dream, or maybe not... obviously, it was designed to register with the individual but nothing is definite. the spinning top was possibly about to drop... the filmmaker let the audience decide.