INCEPTION Discussion Thread (***Spoilers!!!***)

[Maglor]

I'm not sure that I buy that Nolan consciously set out to make a film that's an allegory for the film-making process. Of course, I've never really bought into that whole "allegorical" thing anyways. I've always been in the "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar" camp.

Yeah, no way it's that.

When the interviewer started to suggest that to Dileep Rao he just said "Stop." Like it was so absurd as to not be worth discussion:

And if movies are the director's dream, that means Leo as Nolan is ...
Stop.

 

[CelticPredator]

Yes. You dont wake up from Limbo. Period. Sedative or not. You have to "make yourself" wake up. Your brain thinks it's in reality, when it's not. You have to "fool yourself"...since you cant die in a dream, you must wake up.

 

[meth head]

So a kick is just a way to return without killing yourself in the dream (really only useful for sedated dreams?) and since the sedation wore off in the "real world" and they knew the results of their suicide in limbo would simply mean waking up in the "real world" all was well?

Thats how i see it now buddy

 

[Maglor]

I have not got the answer to why Cobb washes up on the shore, but it seems that in this scene he has lost his memory only to start remembering it while he is with Saito. They start realising they are in a dream, thus they become lucid dreamers. They realise that to escape Limbo they have to shoot themselves which will pull them all the way up to the plane, because they had a kick in all the other levels. Remember Limbo runs at an exceptionally slow speed in time compared to the other realities. I think that is why Cobb is young and Saito is old, because Saito entered Limbo at an earlier stage of the dream when he died, plus when he entered Limbo he was not aware he was dreaming so he started ageing straight away.

My head hurts

I think that is the key to that question.

 

[DinoLast]

He was stabbed by Mal. Remember? He died.

Ah! so he dies from the stab wound Mal inflicted, and then washes up on the shore.

 

[meth head]

Yes. You dont wake up from Limbo. Period. Sedative or not. You have to "make yourself" wake up. Your brain thinks it's in reality, when it's not. You have to "fool yourself"...since you cant die in a dream, you must wake up.

Problem is if you think your in reality you couldnt kid yourself could you

Man this film is killing me but i think i am getting there!!!

 

[meth head]

Ah! so he dies from the stab wound Mal inflicted, and then washes up on the shore.

Surely if he dies he goes up, so if he dies by the stab wound he cant carry on his search for Saito he would just have returned to the plane no?

 

[Darth Caedus]

Ok got back from the second viewing and there are still certain concepts i am still not grasping

Please dont shoot me down if what i ask is dumb, i am trying

I will just ask what comes into my head for now

I am still not understanding how Cobb and Saito get from Limbo through 5 layers to the plane by simply killing themselves, do they still not have to come through the layers like everybody else?

And why does Leo wash up on the shore of his own limbo creation when he finds Saito

After everything I've read, this is still probably my #1 question.

I'm thinking it was a little shortcut to show then waking. Did you want them to show them waking from Layer 5 to Layer 4 to Layer 3 to Layer 2 etc.....if you show them just waking up at Layer 1, all those other layers are implied....????? That's what I got out of it

 

[CelticPredator]

Right. Which is both Mal's, and Cobb's problem. Cobb thinks he knows what's real...but he still has trouble coping with it. Where is Mal KNEW it wasnt real due to the inception Cobb pulled on her.

And yes. The stab. It's hard to miss, I didn't catch it the first time...but you can clearly see he was stabbed in the chest.

 

[CelticPredator]

Surely if he dies he goes up, so if he dies by the stab wound he cant carry on his search for Saito he would just have returned to the plane no?

He died by another person...he would HAVE to commit suicide. Remember, he thinks it's all real. In limbo, your mind doesnt get that it's a dream. It has to be tricked.

 

[Maglor]

He's fought the idea that his world was not real for so long, he finally just said ____ it. And went along with it. He doesnt care any more. His kids are there. He can live with them. Forever. The end. Great ending imo. I mean...the only downside is...since the Grandparents are so old, they'll die in like 10 years, leaving the real kids orphens.....and that'll suck....but who cares!

Wait, what? Cobb is there to take care of his kids.

 

[MarfMaster]

Yes. You dont wake up from Limbo. Period. Sedative or not. You have to "make yourself" wake up. Your brain thinks it's in reality, when it's not. You have to "fool yourself"...since you cant die in a dream, you must wake up.

I think I got it, just confused because I know that when you die under sedation you go to limbo, and Mal and Cobb's train suicide proves you can use suicide to return from limbo once you realize it's a dream. Just wasn't sure what happens if you kill yourself in limbo while you're still sedated. Don't know how Saito and Cobb knew they were no longer sedated in the real world.

 

[CelticPredator]

Not if it's a dream.

 

[meth head]

He died by another person...he would HAVE to commit suicide. Remember, he thinks it's all real. In limbo, your mind doesnt get that it's a dream. It has to be tricked.

Right awesome i get it

Oh thank you thank you

 

[CelticPredator]

I think I got it, just confused because I know that when you die under sedation you go to limbo, and Mal and Cobb's train suicide proves you can use suicide to return from limbo once you realize it's a dream. Just wasn't sure what happens if you kill yourself in limbo while you're still sedated. Don't know how Saito and Cobb knew they were no longer sedated in the real world.

They didnt know they were no longer sedated. Cobb Incepted Satio's mind. He placed the idea that the world he's in is not real. And so Satio remembered where he was. You dont remember the beginning of a dream. Only the middle. So once he knew where he was...he knew what to do.

Now..did Cobb stay in his own world, and proceved it as reality? Or did he go back? We never saw them kill themselves...and we never saw the top fall...

 

[meth head]

I am sitting here laughing my ass off at us going back and forward with this, i am literally laughing out loud so hard

 

[CelticPredator]

Right awesome i get it

Oh thank you thank you

No problem.

This is the first time I had a chance to really think about it all day. I've been finding out new stuff everytime I dig in my brain.

 

[CelticPredator]

I am sitting here laughing my ass off at us going back and forward with this, i am literally laughing out loud so hard

You're waiting for a train....

A train that will take you far away....

You know where you hope the train will take you...

But you can't be sure....

But it doesn't matter...

Because we'll be together.....

 

[meth head]

You're waiting for a train....

A train that will take you far away....

You know where you hope the train will take you...

But you can't be sure....

But it doesn't matter...

Because we'll be together.....

Just when i thought i was there you then posted he incepted his dream to convince him limbo wasnt real

In my head he just spoke to him and convinced him

 

[CelticPredator]

I guess that could work. But you can also say he inceptiediized him....


I guess it's easier to say he just remembered. Never mind that part.