Indiana Jones 5 and the bermuda triangle?

[IrishJedi]

^ Maybe if Lucas didnt fire Darabont you would've gotten a better movie.

Wrong. The Darabont INDY IV script is probably the worst work of his career. It really reads like hackneyed fan-fiction, and also has some of the worst one-liners ever. I didn't want to believe it was legit. I still don't. It's shockingly bad. So much so that I'd dare say that KOTCS (with all its own faults) turned out better than it would have had they used that one.

The only thing Darabont got right that the movie screwed up was the Marion character, who's just a complete fool in KOTCS. But that's not nearly enough to save his sophomoric effort.

 

[Wake]

What I missed about Indy... that KOTCS did NOT deliver... was the sense of Indy discovering on his own. Multiple scenes in Raiders, Doom and Crusade had Indy on his own... making discoveries. I miss that and hope this new film will have that.

 

[Mad Old Lu]

Wrong. The Darabont INDY IV script is probably the worst work of his career. It really reads like hackneyed fan-fiction, and also has some of the worst one-liners ever. I didn't want to believe it was legit. I still don't. It's shockingly bad. So much so that I'd dare say that KOTCS (with all its own faults) turned out better than it would have had they used that one.

The only thing Darabont got right that the movie screwed up was the Marion character, who's just a complete fool in KOTCS. But that's not nearly enough to save his sophomoric effort.

I was about to post the same thing. It just shows that Lucas ultimately runs the show, and if he says "swinging monkeys" then by golly there will be swinging monkeys.

That said, I'm still on board to see a new one.

 

[thenammagazine]

What I missed about Indy... that KOTCS did NOT deliver... was the sense of Indy discovering on his own. Multiple scenes in Raiders, Doom and Crusade had Indy on his own... making discoveries. I miss that and hope this new film will have that.

I got the suggestion that come KOTCS, with the implied "Part time" teaching, WWII OSS work, etc., that he's just about seen it all. Hence the whole role reversal from TLC with Indy being Henry Sr.

 

[Wake]

At that point Indy becomes kinda boring then... the discovery aspect (and seeing how Indy handles the unknown and unexpected) is really what makes the series work imho.

 

[Something Sexy]

At that point Indy becomes kinda boring then... the discovery aspect (and seeing how Indy handles the unknown and unexpected) is really what makes the series work imho.

Just watch Young Indy if you don't already.

 

[thenammagazine]

At that point Indy becomes kinda boring then... the discovery aspect (and seeing how Indy handles the unknown and unexpected) is really what makes the series work imho.

Kinda the point considering the whole movie is essentially him passing the torch to Mutt and Mutt's comeuppance.

 

[IrishJedi]

I was about to post the same thing. It just shows that Lucas ultimately runs the show, and if he says "swinging monkeys" then by golly there will be swinging monkeys.

Actually, the swinging monkey gag is one of the few elements that can be directly attributed to Spielberg, not Lucas.

Which reminds me... one of my biggest gripes about KOTCS (Indy's lack of edge for the most part) is also a Spielberg thing. Example: Indy not firing his gun a single time.

Let's not lay all of the blame at Lucas' feet here.

 

[El Skutto]

Let's not lay all of the blame at Lucas' feet here.

True dat. Lucas certainly didn't force Spielberg to change the guns into walkie-talkies in E.T.; that was a mistake he made on his own.

 

[thenammagazine]

Actually, the swinging monkey gag is one of the few elements that can be directly attributed to Spielberg, not Lucas.

HOWEVER... that scene would probably have played better if they'd been practical effects and not CG.

 

[IrishJedi]

HOWEVER... that scene would probably have played better if they'd been practical effects and not CG.

Spielberg is quite prone to CGI in his genre films himself these days.

The big difference is that Spielberg still shoots on film stock clap) and Lucas wanted to shoot it digitally. Spielberg won that battle. But he's certainly not anti-CG.

 

[thenammagazine]

Spielberg is quite prone to CGI in his genre films himself these days.

The big difference is that Spielberg still shoots on film stock clap) and Lucas wanted to shoot it digitally. Spielberg won that battle. But he's certainly not anti-CG.

My point still stands. Practical effects > CG.

I do agree to some extent that the best results are achieved when blending the two, but as of today, CG still looks like CG (a concept lost on the Avatards).

 

[Mad Old Lu]

I wouldn't mind CG for the more fantastical scenes. But for the jungle chase, etc? Part of what made Raiders so impressive even way back in '81 were the STUNTS. The press made a big deal out of them because they harkened back to the original serials, but took it up several notches by making the stunts more perilous. I think modern audiences would still be wowed by great stuntwork, knowing that there's an actual person swinging, jumping, etc. in a dangerous situation.

The Harvard car chase tried to do it a bit, but could have gone further.

 

[IrishJedi]

My point still stands. Practical effects > CG.

No need to I'm not disagreeing with that at all, just saying that you can't blame KOTCS use of CGI all on Lucas, either... because Spielberg is pretty big on it, too.

 

[thenammagazine]

No need to I'm not disagreeing with that at all, just saying that you can't blame KOTCS use of CGI all on Lucas, either... because Spielberg is pretty big on it, too.

I'm not saying it's all Lucas' fault. I wholly agree that the lack of shooting was lame. But scenes like the ants, and the car on the branch, and showing the fridge with the explosion, etc. All helped to ruin the movie.

 

[IrishJedi]

I'll never apologize for loving the fridge... everything about it (except for the prairie dog at the end of the sequence, of course).

 

[thenammagazine]

I'll never apologize for loving the fridge... everything about it (except for the prairie dog at the end of the sequence, of course).

I like Khev's version more. Where they just imply the whole ordeal. We see him climb into the fridge and see the blast, then cutting to him kicking the door open. Since we didn't see Anakin killing the younglings, I'm gonna assume Speilberg's responsible for not understanding "less is more" in that case.

 

[kl241]

Indy needs to come out of the fridge.

 

[The Josh]

I'll never apologize for loving the fridge... everything about it (except for the prairie dog at the end of the sequence, of course).

Yeah, I like the whole sequence myself.

 

[jediknight120]

I like KotCS. This is going to make more than one person cry, but I showed a friend who had never seen any Indiana Jones films before Raiders, Crusade, and KotCS in that order and she picked KotCS as her favorite.

*waits for heads to explode*

(Although to be fair, I think that was due in large part to her thinking that old Harrison Ford is hotter than young Harrison Ford.)