Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (June 30th, 2023)

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Speaking of SW...

Prediction.

People will prefer KOTKS over Indy 5, just like many prefer the PT over the ST.

 

[Wor-Gar]

People will have to make a choice.

For instance, I think Last Crusade is silly. But miles better than Skull.

I expect the same sort of comparison. Skull is horrid. But miles better than Indy 5.

 

[xipotec]

Maybe we really need to start blaming the real problem with both Indy and SW......

Lucas

 

[xipotec]

Speaking of SW...

Prediction.

People will prefer KOTKS over Indy 5, just like many prefer the PT over the ST.

Omg what levels of bad do you need to be to make that leap....

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Omg what levels of bad do you need to be to make that leap....

Kathleen Kennedy levels of bad.

 

[matticus]

Speaking of SW...

Prediction.

People will prefer KOTKS over Indy 5, just like many prefer the PT over the ST.

I disagee. Nazis in it and no Mutt instantly makes this a better movie.

 

[Wor-Gar]

There is truth to the above. In that limited qualification.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I didn't mind Mutt. I didn't like how he was used or that he kept calling Indy old man. I just thought the film was overcrowded, with Mutt, Marion, and the crazy old guy all joining Indy. Maybe they thought a literal family adventure was different and fresh, but it just didn't work for me. Indy needs his space. Maybe one sidekick at a time, like in most of the films, and not a group of people where he just becomes part of it, as opposed to the focus of the scenes.

 

[Wor-Gar]

The monkeys, ants and prairie dogs also crowded it up.

They thought since old Indy couldn't do too much action, they'd clutter it with characters.

This new one at least seems less... casted. But we're still in for the finger-wagging toxic male stuff... where Indy will learn "talking" works better than "fighting"... since he's too old to fight anyway.

 

[Wor-Gar]

If Exposition has a Name... its must be Indiana Jones.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Supposedly Ford might be out for 3 months.

 

[matticus]

Ray Winstone's character was terrible too. A plot device to tell you how the story is moving forward.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Meh, all the Indy films have lots of exposition.

 

[matticus]

Oh, it was the John Hurt character I was thinking of. His insane ramblings were so annoying. The more I forget about that movie the better.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Oh, it was the John Hurt character I was thinking of. His insane ramblings were so annoying. The more I forget about that movie the better.

John Hurt, Ford, and Karen Allen....that's a lot of old people, come to think of it.

 

[Wor-Gar]

John Hurt, Ford, and Karen Allen....that's a lot of old people, come to think of it.

And Winstone, the triple-crosser.


Add Spielberg and Lucas to that too.

 

[ChibiSchmoo]

As the Indy films went along, they had an increasing problem of having Indy spending time 'herding' more and more useless people that are detrimental to him during fight/danger scenes.

Raiders: Marion = 50% useless

Temple: Willie = 100% useless, Short Round = 50% useless

Crusade: Henry = 75% useless, Sallah = 75% useless, Marcus = 100% useless

Skull: Mutt = 75% useless, Marion = 95% useless, Oxley = 95% useless, Mac = 100% useless

By this pattern, Indy 5 will have him herding 5 useless people!

 

[Asta]

As the Indy films went along, they had an increasing problem of having Indy spending time 'herding' more and more useless people that are detrimental to him during fight/danger scenes.

...

Temple: Willie = 100% useless, Short Round = 50% useless

Short Round was the hero of TOD.

He was Indy's getaway driver in Shanghai.

Broke Indy out of the Black Sleep of Kali.

Saved Indy from the rock crusher by fighting Zalim Singh for the voodoo doll.


Without Shorty he'd probably have died at least a couple of times. Then ROTLA would never have existed.

 

[punisher1974]

Or being herded by 5 people at this point.

 

[Wor-Gar]

As the Indy films went along, they had an increasing problem of having Indy spending time 'herding' more and more useless people that are detrimental to him during fight/danger scenes.

Raiders: Marion = 50% useless

Temple: Willie = 100% useless, Short Round = 50% useless

Crusade: Henry = 75% useless, Sallah = 75% useless, Marcus = 100% useless

Skull: Mutt = 75% useless, Marion = 95% useless, Oxley = 95% useless, Mac = 100% useless

By this pattern, Indy 5 will have him herding 5 useless people!

That's an interesting way to look at the films. And a good reason they get worse in descending order.