Is it the Dark Side that makes SW fans so evil?

[El Roranous]

Sorry to butt in... interesting, useful thread, and I've always loved communicaion and philosophy discussions (if I were a psychology or communications PhD candidate, I would totally do my thesis on the interplay between members on discussion boards)...

But another good hypothetical situation, to further demonstrate why it's not the greatest thing to call someone on the other side 'ignorant':

If you were, say, a supporter of a certain politician, and someone came up to you and said, "How can you ignore all of his many flaws and mistakes and still support this man! You are so IGNORANT!!" Wouldn't that chafe you?

Ignorant is just not a very nice word to call someone, no matter what and no matter WHICH side you are on (cheerleaders VS negative nancies... etc). No one is ignorant *simply* because their worldviews differ from my own, whether it's in regards to politics, religion, movies, or action figures. It's taken me a few years, and countless internet and interpersonal discussions/arguments, to come to terms with this... (WHY doesn't he see it the way I do? It's so OBVIOUS!!!)... but if *I* can, I have high hopes for all of my Freaks out there

AAAaannnddddd.... goodnight *bows out*

Dusty is El Roranous approved...as long as she ditches Timberlake.

 

[The Josh]

Anakin's arm falling off

Mine stays on just fine and did nothing to make it that way thats how it came.

Han's resemblance
It looks like han to me.

Luke's arm length
Ok ill give that one to you but I would have not noticed as quick if not for the 1000s of people complaining about it like it was the end of the world.

The fabric texture on Qui Gon and his poncho length
What??? I don't even know what you are talking about.

The resemblance on Mace to SLJ
Look like Mace to me.

The fact that Ray Park has on eye higher than the other is nature, but sideshow made the wrong eye lower.
Wow didnt know that either.

Sorry I don't have every single detail about every SW character memorized and I am not going to go frame by frame through the movie to find problems with my figures. I have much better things to do with my time.

The problem is that there are to many Virgins living in Mom basement who can could tell you every little detail about a character/actor so when the figures come out they go ape-s**t when the Anakin figure has 50 pores in his forehead when he clearly had 51 pores in the movie.

I totally agree. I have much better things to do with my time than look for some of the smallest nitpicks people go after. Maybe that's why reviews are what they are. Because I don't study every pore on each figures head.

Sorry to butt in... interesting, useful thread, and I've always loved communicaion and philosophy discussions (if I were a psychology or communications PhD candidate, I would totally do my thesis on the interplay between members on discussion boards)...

But another good hypothetical situation, to further demonstrate why it's not the greatest thing to call someone on the other side 'ignorant':

If you were, say, a supporter of a certain politician, and someone came up to you and said, "How can you ignore all of his many flaws and mistakes and still support this man! You are so IGNORANT!!" Wouldn't that chafe you?

Ignorant is just not a very nice word to call someone, no matter what and no matter WHICH side you are on (cheerleaders VS negative nancies... etc). No one is ignorant *simply* because their worldviews differ from my own, whether it's in regards to politics, religion, movies, or action figures. It's taken me a few years, and countless internet and interpersonal discussions/arguments, to come to terms with this... (WHY doesn't he see it the way I do? It's so OBVIOUS!!!)... but if *I* can, I have high hopes for all of my Freaks out there

AAAaannnddddd.... goodnight *bows out*

Great post Dusty!

 

[Blu-Vapor00725]

I for one am a star wars fan, and I must say every single sideshow product I have seen or bought has been above average quality, and probably some of the best stuff I've seen in years. Just the pf alone are worth gawking at. The 12 inch dolls are wonderful, (Anakin, sith and jedi my fav) So to be quite honest I dont know what all the fuss is about, I could understand if sideshow was producing crap, like lets say cutting costs like say SOTA or pure garbage like hasbro, but that is mosly not the case. (Oh wait PF bobba fett might fall into this category, but that is left to individual interpritation.) So what is all the fighting about? SW fans need to chill out and be happy sideshow is producing the most top notch figs and pf SW merchandise has ever seen.:emperor

 

[EVILFACE]

With the whole "Plastic Fett" debacle, it got me to wondering why Star Wars fanboys are such an evil lot.

You visit the any thread on this board, from Horror to LOtR, and you see little to no flame wars. But travel into the SW forum and you better take cover.

From Bubo, to Endor troppers, to plastic Fetts, it seems there is a never ending war of words in SW threads.

I wasn't a member of the easy board, but I have heard many of the old timers speak of the peaceful days of the SS Freaks board, that is until SS picked up the SW license.

Why is it that SW fans are so damn hostel to one another and to the companies that handle all forms of the SW license??

Just wondering.

edit: In the title of the thread I put SS fans, changed it to SW fans.

It's King Nerd Syndrome.

 

[Anzik]

I remember when 1:6 SW collecting meant praying for Hasbro's hits amongst the misses and rehashes. I've learned alot since I bought my first TPM Obi Wan on clearance. I never knew there were differences in stormtrooper armor, or Vader's armor, more importantly I've learned there are quite a few people who noticed these things. I'm not ashamed to say that I still can't tell the friggin' difference.
I would hope that if people want to debate, they should agree on some terminology. A flaw is something that mars perfection, which means everything has flaws because there is no perfection. We may not all see them, just as I am ignorant to the specific differences between the stormtrooper armor, but once someone pointed them out to me, I had to acknowledge their presence. The list I provided was compiled from various threads at rebelscum and its purpose was to illustrate that even in such magnificent figures as those produced by Sideshow, they are not perfect. Ackowledging imperfection is not condemnation and personally if someone came to my house and told me that my upcoming Plo Koon figure has innaccurate Jedi robes, I would likely smack him in the head. My responce to minor imperfection is 'so what'. Regardless of the fact that the imperfections are unimportant to me, they are monumental to some.
The core of this debate isn't over perfection its over what is reasonable, because perfection doesn't exist. Even the lovely young lady posted by Shai, will have bloating and pms and after a night of dining on burritos will dispell another myth about beautiful women.
My last comment is about ignorance. It's not about the word, but rather the reaction to the word. People tend to take offense to the word despite the fact we all suffer from it. We are all ignorant to many things, and it's not an insult, its a temporary condition that is cured by information and knowledge.
Just like I was ignorant as to stormtrooper armor, others may be ignorant to the minute imperfections in SSC figures but when shown the imperfections, they must be acknowledged. Once acknowledged they may be dismissed as unimportant, but not non existant. I really don't care if I have a ROTJ Stormtrooper next to my ANH Vader, or if my Han's face is chubbier than Harrison Ford's in 1980, but this is the reality that there are levels of geekdom.
There are guys who think its cool to have a very nice representation of a film or comic they love, and there are guys who will need Xanax if the dent on Boba Fett's helmet is out of place, and personally, I am quite happy to be ignorant of these details. It's the difference between being mildly geeky to being an obsessive compulsive living in mommy's basement.
My apologies to those who fit that description, I don't mean to posture as superior, it's just not my ambition.

 

[The Josh]

Oustanding Post Anzik

 

[Anzik]

Thang you, thang you vera much. Be sure to check out my show in Vegas this weekend.

 

[galactiboy]

I don't feel like reading through the whole thread before giving my opinion... but I'm sure its been lively.

You do get an odd sense of entitlement from SW fans (not all of course, but the annoying ones) who feel that they are really fans of the superior franchise. And because of that all things must be to their standards. Its an odd thing and when you have the two or three fans w/different standards all hell seems to break loose on message boards.

I am a huge SW fan, I love the movies and collectibles. Ive been a long-time Sideshow collector, but got turned onto to this board after Sideshow acquired SW license and I found out boards like this existed. But even from the time I joined to now it seems more angry posters are coming aboard and typically are in the SW areas.

I think its unfortunate people feel the need to put others down and get into silly flame wars. For my part I steer clear of these guys (mostly ) and try not to take the bait. Because I really do have better things to do than argue about the color of a tunic or if Sideshow is greedy for releasing 3 Endor Troopers

 

[DarthNeil]

or if Sideshow is greedy for releasing 2 Endor Troopers

Ahem... 3 Endor Troopers--- now you've started it. (MICHAEL BUFFER) "Let's get it on!!!"

But seriously, they're collectibles and everyone is entitled to an opinion... even if you think Jar Jar rocks and you really hope that's the next PF--- you're entitled to your opinion... sad sad opinion, but your opinion none the less.

 

[galactiboy]

Doh! Now I've gone and done it... I suppose I should be banned for a mistake like that

 

[DarthNeil]

At least to the SARLACC Pit with you--- but I wouldn't want to overreact.

 

[Brent72]

The sad thing is when I first joined this board it was sooooooo much more civilized and friendly than Rebelscum(which is why I stopped posting on that board and decided to spend more time here). Sadly, however, it seems the same mentality that polluted RS has made it's way here and this place is becoming just as bad at times. At this point, I don't know if there's any chance this board can ever get back to the friendly place it was when I first discovered it and that is truly a shame.

 

[Anzik]

Well it depends. I've found the bickering is mostly relegated to the SW forum. The Sandbox is just Kaos so avoid it unless you like the fun and games and all things originating from the steppes of Russia.

 

[King Darkness]

I remember when 1:6 SW collecting meant praying for Hasbro's hits amongst the misses and rehashes. I've learned alot since I bought my first TPM Obi Wan on clearance. I never knew there were differences in stormtrooper armor, or Vader's armor, more importantly I've learned there are quite a few people who noticed these things. I'm not ashamed to say that I still can't tell the friggin' difference.
I would hope that if people want to debate, they should agree on some terminology. A flaw is something that mars perfection, which means everything has flaws because there is no perfection. We may not all see them, just as I am ignorant to the specific differences between the stormtrooper armor, but once someone pointed them out to me, I had to acknowledge their presence. The list I provided was compiled from various threads at rebelscum and its purpose was to illustrate that even in such magnificent figures as those produced by Sideshow, they are not perfect. Ackowledging imperfection is not condemnation and personally if someone came to my house and told me that my upcoming Plo Koon figure has innaccurate Jedi robes, I would likely smack him in the head. My responce to minor imperfection is 'so what'. Regardless of the fact that the imperfections are unimportant to me, they are monumental to some.
The core of this debate isn't over perfection its over what is reasonable, because perfection doesn't exist. Even the lovely young lady posted by Shai, will have bloating and pms and after a night of dining on burritos will dispell another myth about beautiful women.
My last comment is about ignorance. It's not about the word, but rather the reaction to the word. People tend to take offense to the word despite the fact we all suffer from it. We are all ignorant to many things, and it's not an insult, its a temporary condition that is cured by information and knowledge.
Just like I was ignorant as to stormtrooper armor, others may be ignorant to the minute imperfections in SSC figures but when shown the imperfections, they must be acknowledged. Once acknowledged they may be dismissed as unimportant, but not non existant. I really don't care if I have a ROTJ Stormtrooper next to my ANH Vader, or if my Han's face is chubbier than Harrison Ford's in 1980, but this is the reality that there are levels of geekdom.
There are guys who think its cool to have a very nice representation of a film or comic they love, and there are guys who will need Xanax if the dent on Boba Fett's helmet is out of place, and personally, I am quite happy to be ignorant of these details. It's the difference between being mildly geeky to being an obsessive compulsive living in mommy's basement.
My apologies to those who fit that description, I don't mean to posture as superior, it's just not my ambition.

Great post!

The Sandbox is just Kaos so avoid it unless you like the fun and games and all things originating from the steppes of Russia.

 

[Darklord Dave]

To be serious for a moment - these things blow over usually and things return to the normal. I think there is a certain maturity to most (many? ...some?) of the members here and the ones that come just to disrupt get bored with the baiting and go away or decide to really participate.

Even those that feel strongly about such things as the non-poly Boba seem reasonable and present their arguments without too much hyperbole and insults.

Now where is that pic of ice cream and puppies...

 

[pixletwin]

....Now where is that pic of ice cream and puppies...

Here ya go Dave....

 

[JABBATHERIDGE]

I think SW fans (and I include myself as an SW fan) are spoiled by the number of great collectibles out there, so are overly critical when something isn't up to their standards.

I can't think of many licenses (other than Marvel) that kicks out so many great high end collectibles, along with a mass market toy line, so I think we've all become a little spoiled by that and over the years expect more and more.

That's totally my opinion and it doesn't apply to all SW fans, but sometimes I think they're overly critical of a piece that looks fine, but doesn't look absolutely fantastic.

 

[DannieDarKo]

Everyone is ignorant in their own ways because noone is perfect. Yes I do see most of the "whining" comes from the Star Wars section and I feel for Sideshow when reactions go overboard. For example: When the Sideshow Anakin first went up for order, the sideshow site had crashed momentarily. I'm sure Dusty remembers as well as I do, some of the freak members were making bomb threats and cussing Sideshow out in the main "Anakin Thread". IT WAS PATHETIC! I understand the passion for Star Wars is amazingly high for major Lucas fanatics but come on.

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[Bannister]

Everyone is ignorant in their own ways because noone is perfect. Yes I do see most of the "whining" comes from the Star Wars section and I feel for Sideshow when reactions go overboard. For example: When the Sideshow Anakin first went up for order, the sideshow site had crashed momentarily. I'm sure Dusty remembers as well as I do, some of the freak members were making bomb threats and cussing Sideshow out in the main "Anakin Thread". IT WAS PATHETIC! I understand the passion for Star Wars is amazingly high for major Lucas fanatics but come on.

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Quit being such a Sideshow cheerleader Danny.

 

[JABBATHERIDGE]

Everyone is ignorant in their own ways because noone is perfect. Yes I do see most of the "whining" comes from the Star Wars section and I feel for Sideshow when reactions go overboard. For example: When the Sideshow Anakin first went up for order, the sideshow site had crashed momentarily. I'm sure Dusty remembers as well as I do, some of the freak members were making bomb threats and cussing Sideshow out in the main "Anakin Thread". IT WAS PATHETIC! I understand the passion for Star Wars is amazingly high for major Lucas fanatics but come on.

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Making bomb threats because you couldn't get your hand on a 1/6 figure, real mature