I think Bob Iger and KK both skipped to the top of the list, lol.
Is Star Wars better off without George Lucas?
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jye4ever
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Give me 4.5 billion and KK can lie to my face all day long lol
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Yeah that's how we see it but since he'd already lived most of his life as a billionaire I bet he regrets the sale.
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George did some very cool story telling with the Clone Wars series - some of the best Star Wars IMO, and Feloni was not a yes man - he had his disagreements with George and stuck to his guns. Truth is, since Disney bought Lucasfilm, the stories have not been as creative and imaginative - they are much more cookie cutter and lack the imagination that they had before - whether that is a result of George not being involved or others not being involved, or bowing to corporate Disney cookie cutter one-size-fits all or all the above, I don't know. I know that the movies and TV series George was involved with, overall they felt much more imaginative and like anything could happen. Disney stuff is just - in a word - depressing.
For Star Wars, I'll take the worse Lucas stuff over the best Disney stuff any day. They just don't get it, and don't know how to do it right.
For Star Wars, I'll take the worse Lucas stuff over the best Disney stuff any day. They just don't get it, and don't know how to do it right.
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Maybe it's not George personally then, unknown.
Since Disney, I haven't seen any real "wow" moments in Star Wars movies like when Lucas owned Lucasfilm. I mean, a moon sized space station that blows up planets in Star Wars, escaping from inside a Space Slug in an asteroid field in ESB, battling a giant slug gangster in ROTJ (granted, not as fresh as the first two, but still not bad), droid armies and underwater cities in TPM (also not my favorite, but still not bad), the spectacle of the beginning of the Clone Wars in AOTC, and then the end of the Clone Wars and fall of Anakin to Vader in ROTS... the writing wasn't perfect, but the stories themselves and themes they presented were like a true fairytale, or an old epic.
Even the stories that have leaked out of Lucasfilm are more compelling than what Disney has done... the origins of Han and Chewbacca and the Wookies enslaved on Kashyyyk sounded much more compelling than the formula film Solo. The sequel trilogy is recycled Star Wars and PC added in the mix, and even the most passable Mouse House movie - Rogue One - lacks connection - I didn't feel for any of the characters like I did the original and prequel trilogies, it just felt like an action movie without any heart (but it wasn't a bad film, it just didn't quite feel like a Star Wars film).
The one that has the most potential is the upcoming episode 9. I fully expect they'll blow it, but just in case they don't, I will probably avoid reviews and see it opening week. I'm hoping for the best, but if it sucks like the other two, it will be the last Star Wars film I see in the theater. I am going BECAUSE George Lucas was involved, and because it's fun to see Palpatine even in a bad film. And it will be nostalgic to see Lando again (Billy D).
I am probably the only one on the planet who would like to have seen what George would have done with episodes 10-12 - it was to deal with the world of midichorians (or whatever they're called). I am not a fan of them, but having seen some of the stuff about the Journal of the Wills and episodes 10-12 what George had in mind, I suspect the stories would have been ground-breaking and would have really added something which we have never seen before to the Star Wars universe, but I doubt that will ever happen now.
Totally agree with this statement. The nice thing about the prequels and Clone Wars is George spent his own money and was trying to tell a story but also push the bounds in film. We would not have the CGI or blue screen stuff if it wasnt for the prequels and I truly believe the Clone Wars was amazing with the story telling.
I feel like Disney is trying to make Star Wars like their acquired Marvel License and very much a cookie cutter, crank it out, and make money. I did like Rogue One and hopeful for The Mandalorian but those I feel were pushing against Disney on RO and The Mandalorian as an apology for TLJ and what could have been Solo.
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Good points about the world-building. Hardly anything in Disney Wars seems otherworldly (or like anything we haven't seen before).
I couldn't tell the difference between most of the planets (and their inhabitants, for that matter) in Solo. And the final scene looked like they were re-using a beach from RO.
Regarding the PC elements, I was just reading an opinion piece that said part of the reason SW succeeded was that it transcended politics; people could share the enjoyment without their differences getting in the way. Now the fans are divided.
I couldn't tell the difference between most of the planets (and their inhabitants, for that matter) in Solo. And the final scene looked like they were re-using a beach from RO.
Regarding the PC elements, I was just reading an opinion piece that said part of the reason SW succeeded was that it transcended politics; people could share the enjoyment without their differences getting in the way. Now the fans are divided.
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Well documented by whom exactly? The only ones I've seen making these claims are rabid Lucas haters. George wrote it, directed it,set up the company to create the SFX and damned near killed himself in the process. Kurtz produced the movie and Marcia was loaned briefly from Scorsese to help edit and thats about it. Happy to be proven wrong though.
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Yep, Krennic was a really great SW character...
jye4ever
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Documented in the Rinzler books.
When GL finished filming SW it required serious guidance from both Kurtz and Marcia to so call find the diamond in the rough.
Kurtz kept Lucas focussed and sane while Marcia and I believe Kurtz as well edited the hell out of that wacky puzzle.
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I guess that means it was at least competently written and directed!
jye4ever
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I think he had help writing it as well lol
Look i’m not trying to diminish his accomplishments they’re legitimately legendary but this nonsense post ST that Lucas is perfection has to stop lol
Look i’m not trying to diminish his accomplishments they’re legitimately legendary but this nonsense post ST that Lucas is perfection has to stop lol
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So does the revisionism diminishing his accomplishments! 
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Lucas definitely isn't perfect (he did some revisionisms of his own, in fairness). Disney Star Wars is definitely not Lucas' Star Wars, but has its moments and if you can get past not feeling anything for any of the characters, Rogue One isn't a bad film.
But don't expect anything revolutionary from Disney - they were revolutionary when Walt was alive, but now they ARE the establishment. Lucas always bucked against the system (at least in his younger years), now it looks like Lucasfilm is also the establishment.
Anyone who thinks that Disney Star Wars is on par with Lucas' Star Wars clearly doesn't mind revisionism (Maybe Lucas had it coming after the revisionisms he did himself LOL), because from everything I've seen from Disney thus far, they've revised a LOT of things in Star Wars - ironically most of it isn't even PC or all-inclusive stuff, it's just so they could rehash the same old stories that were already told...
That's not progress, it's not ground breaking, that's regurgitation.
I don't like my Star Wars regurgitated.
But don't expect anything revolutionary from Disney - they were revolutionary when Walt was alive, but now they ARE the establishment. Lucas always bucked against the system (at least in his younger years), now it looks like Lucasfilm is also the establishment.
Anyone who thinks that Disney Star Wars is on par with Lucas' Star Wars clearly doesn't mind revisionism (Maybe Lucas had it coming after the revisionisms he did himself LOL), because from everything I've seen from Disney thus far, they've revised a LOT of things in Star Wars - ironically most of it isn't even PC or all-inclusive stuff, it's just so they could rehash the same old stories that were already told...
That's not progress, it's not ground breaking, that's regurgitation.
I don't like my Star Wars regurgitated.
jye4ever
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That is an excellent post great job.
Iger has already admitted that from a business standpoint they had to regurgitate because they thought that familiarity would sell best and I can?t blame them for that especially after the huge PT backlash.
Listen Lucas had every opportunity to give us the ST circa 1999 when all the principle cast were still vibrant but no we got Jake Lloyd instead.
What a stupid decision that was.
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HAHA!
Every big studio is afraid of doing something new
It's hard to tell how much you really want to give fans what think they want vs. something they will like better but they don't know what it is. I'm glad that the prequels exist for what good things there are in there, if anything it has a lot of great design and good music.
I would have much preferred something new for the ST that didn't just bring back stuff from the original movies.
My thought, is that it would have been interesting to kind of take some of their ideas and mix it with something like the Legacy comics that Dark Horse did, where it was like 150 years in the future, and didn't include that much from the previous movies and kept some of the mythical concepts while doing a bunch of new things.
It's hard to tell how much you really want to give fans what think they want vs. something they will like better but they don't know what it is. I'm glad that the prequels exist for what good things there are in there, if anything it has a lot of great design and good music.
I would have much preferred something new for the ST that didn't just bring back stuff from the original movies.
My thought, is that it would have been interesting to kind of take some of their ideas and mix it with something like the Legacy comics that Dark Horse did, where it was like 150 years in the future, and didn't include that much from the previous movies and kept some of the mythical concepts while doing a bunch of new things.
jye4ever
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Just that one line you said about ST going all new not bringing anything back from the OT would’ve been considered sacrilegious immediately following ROTS in 2005.
PT era killed SW.
Vader screaming NO killed SW.
SW was in a really bad place after ROTS.
The people vs George Lucas!
Red Letter Media obliterated the PT!
There is a reason why the hype for TFA was astronomical.
Chewie we’re home ring a bell?
The PT were considered an embarrassment of cinema.
Bringing in the OT characters was considered AT THE TIME when announced the equivalent of the calvary riding in to save the day.
Does everyone who hates the ST and Disney not remember the past of are they choosing to ignore it because it doesn’t help their ST/Disney hate narrative.
PT era killed SW.
Vader screaming NO killed SW.
SW was in a really bad place after ROTS.
The people vs George Lucas!
Red Letter Media obliterated the PT!
There is a reason why the hype for TFA was astronomical.
Chewie we’re home ring a bell?
The PT were considered an embarrassment of cinema.
Bringing in the OT characters was considered AT THE TIME when announced the equivalent of the calvary riding in to save the day.
Does everyone who hates the ST and Disney not remember the past of are they choosing to ignore it because it doesn’t help their ST/Disney hate narrative.
Star Wars never died, none of the little nitpicks that people had with the PT was ever a big enough problem to kill it, they were all wildly successful movies. The only thing that was keeping it back was whatever plans George had for it, he could have very easily done his own sequels even directly after ROTS and it would have done fine.
I'm not sure really how much people wanted all of the original cast and stuff to come back, that might have been heavily influenced by loud people on the internet than what people really wanted.
I'm not sure really how much people wanted all of the original cast and stuff to come back, that might have been heavily influenced by loud people on the internet than what people really wanted.
Yeah, RO really showed how that gritty tone could work. It would have been interesting to see how someone like Nolan would have approached SW, like a "Logan" type take on Luke and Han.
I really wish that didn't look so human-like. You can almost imagine a giant-scaled medieval village woman sitting there giggling just out of shot. "Ooo Lukey..."(subtitled of course)
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