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Star Trek II is the best original Star Trek thing.

Maybe that funny one where they go to San Francisco's good too. Don't know.

Star Trek IV, which Leonard Nimoy directed. Great film still IMO.

The only thing I find stupid in that (suspending disbelief on the time travel) is the way the federation court in the beginning is somehow able to watch the destruction of the Enterprise in Star Trek III exactly as we saw it - everything from the exact views inside the ship of the klingons to the exact views outside in space of the ship exploding and careening past the camera. I don't remember seeing cameras randomly floating in space or hovering about the bridge of the Enterprise to capture all this footage.

Also the effect of the Bird of Prey slingshotting around the sun is stupidly done making the sun look tiny.
 
Bottom line.... I enjoyed this film very much and will buy it on bluray
 
Star Trek IV, which Leonard Nimoy directed. Great film still IMO.

The only thing I find stupid in that (suspending disbelief on the time travel) is the way the federation court in the beginning is somehow able to watch the destruction of the Enterprise in Star Trek III exactly as we saw it - everything from the exact views inside the ship of the klingons to the exact views outside in space of the ship exploding and careening past the camera. I don't remember seeing cameras randomly floating in space or hovering about the bridge of the Enterprise to capture all this footage.

Also the effect of the Bird of Prey slingshotting around the sun is stupidly done making the sun look tiny.

That one looked like a fun time. I can sorta get into TOS when it's bat**** crazy, but otherwise...eh. Not my franchise.
 
Would it be worth it for someone who never saw Star Trek before but enjoyed Abram's films to watch Wrath of Khan? I saw it got a 7.7 on imbd. I thought it was much more well received by what people post here
 
If only Khan was played by a Ricardo M type of dude...oh man....

I was thinking about this after watching it but I think Cumberbatch is an awesome choice... Khan is a terrorist, the use of a latin or not to mention a middle eastern looking actor, whoever he may be, in today's political climate would most probably result in unwanted controversy... BC is as far from that depiction as possible, appearance wise.

Abrams wanted to respect and give homage to TWOK, but he obviously have his own vision for this franchise going forward, he does not want to repeat what has been done before. Boldly go where no Star Trek director has gone before, I guess.
 
I was thinking about this after watching it but I think Cumberbatch is an awesome choice... Khan is a terrorist, the use of a latin or not to mention a middle eastern looking actor, whoever he may be, in today's political climate would most probably result in unwanted controversy... BC is as far from that depiction as possible, appearance wise.

Abrams wanted to respect and give homage to TWOK, but he obviously have his own vision for this franchise going forward, he does not want to repeat what has been done before. Boldly go where no Star Trek director has gone before, I guess.

Who cares what color the actor is even with a name like Khan. I have a friend with the last name Wong and he's not even close to being Asian :lol
 
This is probably my longest post. I know, too much writing...

As a huge fan of Star Trek in general, and someone who really enjoyed JJ Abrams first outing, to say I was pumped to see this would be an understatement. As I walked out of the theatre, I really wasn't sure. And as I think about it more, I'm really not sure.

The Good:
-visually, the movie was absolutely gorgeous
-the ships looked fantastic, the Enterprise looked so much better than in the first one. I loved the shot when it was coming out of the water, you could really see the sense of scale of the ship
-Klingon Bird of Preys looked awesome, it was really cool to see how the wings could move in all directions, except just up and down
-Sound was awesome too, especially in IMAX
-Scotty was great, I probably liked him the most after Christopher Pike, who has such a presence on screen
-really cool seeing Sulu in the Captain's chair, and being all badass, nice homage to him getting his own Ship from Star Trek 6
-Khan was great, I had no idea how tall Cumberbatch, and he had a serious presence. Great deep voice too.
-Loved the music , in particular while on the Klingon homeworld, it was the chanting that worked really well there
-i liked when they talked about Spock supressing his emotions during death, and why he did it, and then how he couldn't do it at the end

The Bad
-of all places, why did Khan teleport to the Klingon world, no reason to do that (unless I am missing something)
-Carol Marcus was absolutely useless, she was hot, but useless, and the underwear shot of her, while awesome, was also ridiculous. And the British accent? Not a big deal really, but she never had one in Trek 2
-there was just far too much running
-there wasn't more than like 5 seconds before another action scene happened
-didn't feel like there was almost any character development of the main crew, due to all the action
-Bones was great, but it felt like he was delegated to just rhyming off funny analogies
-the fact that Admiral Marcus would destroy the Enterprise was ridiculous, and took away from the real villain. Additionally, I didn't like his use of language. There was far too much slang and "profanity", which only spoke to the writers' inability to craft emotional dialogue without the use of profanity
-Khan didn't really do anything since the Enterprise was practially destroyed before Khan took the Vengeance over
-didn't like that the Vengeance was so huge. What made Star Trek 2 so great was that Khan had a tiny ship compared to the Enterprise, and still was able to hold his own, a true testament to his superior intellect
-the Klingons. They looked cool, but nothing really happened with them. Would have been cool if near the end, the war starts with the Klingons, due to Starfleet attacking them
-Bones needing Khan alive. There were 72 people on board the Enterprise with blood he could use
-another fight on top a moving vehicle. What is it with trains and moving vehicles for where so many fights take place in Hollywood?
-Uhura beeming down to help Spock? Really?! Of all people, Sulu was OK with Uhura beeming down?
-the scene of Kirk and Khan flying through space. Felt like a scene from a video game
-Kirk accepting Scotty's resignation, so that Scotty could end up on the Vengeance and shut it down. Kinda lazy writing

The Ugly
-the flip of Kirk going in the radiation room, that scene shouldn't have happened at all
-Spock screaming "Khaaaaan!"
-Khan's blood reviving Kirk - seriously lazy writing

Other
-In a lot of ways, this felt more Star Wars than Trek. Some of the ships looked out of Star Wars, in addition to the music and some of the Ship sound effects (klingon Bird of Prey in particular)
 
Would it be worth it for someone who never saw Star Trek before but enjoyed Abram's films to watch Wrath of Khan? I saw it got a 7.7 on imbd. I thought it was much more well received by what people post here

Yes, the score alone by James Horner makes it worth it. ;)

For real, it's the best Trek movie IMO. It has some slow parts but overall a much better film than the JJ Trek movies. It continues with Part 3 which is good but not nearly as serious as Wrath of Khan. Part 4 continues the series and is damn funny with a good story, love it! Watch those three in a row.
 
Yes, the score alone by James Horner makes it worth it. ;)

For real, it's the best Trek movie IMO. It has some slow parts but overall a much better film than the JJ Trek movies. It continues with Part 3 which is good but not nearly as serious as Wrath of Khan. Part 4 continues the series and is damn funny with a good story, love it! Watch those three in a row.


Agree 100%

I just watched Wrath of Khan again the other night. It's just such a great film. This is what the crew interaction in a Star Trek film is supposed to be like.

James Horner's Score is fantastic! The Main Theme is one of my all time favs.

Star Trek III is an underrated gem IMO. While not as good as 2 it's still a fun film. If looks and feels a bit more like a TV episode of Trek then it does a major motion picture but it has some truly Epic Scenes in it (stealing of the Enterprise, Fate of the Enterprise) and another great score by Horner.

As Gru said. 4 is the comedy one. But in a good way. It feels a bit dated (they travel back in time to the 80's so what are you going to do?) and I don't think it has aged as well as the others but it's still fun .
 
I was going to post individual links to my favorite tracks on the WOTK score but quickly realised I'd be posting the majority of them so this link plays them continously if viewed on youtube itself:

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw3MywRRmKg&list=PL8AEFC2014CC99863[/ame]
 
Agree 100%

I just watched Wrath of Khan again the other night. It's just such a great film. This is what the crew interaction in a Star Trek film is supposed to be like.

James Horner's Score is fantastic! The Main Theme is one of my all time favs.

Star Trek III is an underrated gem IMO. While not as good as 2 it's still a fun film. If looks and feels a bit more like a TV episode of Trek then it does a major motion picture but it has some truly Epic Scenes in it (stealing of the Enterprise, Fate of the Enterprise) and another great score by Horner.

As Gru said. 4 is the comedy one. But in a good way. It feels a bit dated (they travel back in time to the 80's so what are you going to do?) and I don't think it has aged as well as the others but it's still fun .

Trek III is massively underrated. I think viewed as an extension of TrekII its huge. In III more than even II we see the entire crew ready to risk their careers and lives to rescue Spock. Kirk loses the Enterprise and his son.

As for Janes Horners score. Pure beauty. The emotion he drew was astounding. His work on trek, Krull, battle beyond the stars and cocoon is some of the best music I've ever known on film.
 
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I would add Star Trek VI to the Star Trek II-IV marathon. I really see those movies as a Quadrilogy, and VI is absolutely fantastic.

It's also interesting to see Trek IV and Time After Time. Both by Nicholas Meyer and very similar movies.

Loved Trek III, although I thought Doc Brown was a bit goofy as a Klingon.
 
Danny Elfman has created some masterful work too. Edward Scissorhands springs to mind. Rachel Portman on Sirens and Only You also
These two and Horner have created work in their careers that few manage to emulate. Music for me is fundamental to bringing the story, the acting and emotions together.
I'll admit I've shed a tear or two watching the films these guys have had a hand in! Ha
 
I would add Star Trek VI to the Star Trek II-IV marathon. I really see those movies as a Quadrilogy, and VI is absolutely fantastic.

It's also interesting to see Trek IV and Time After Time. Both by Nicholas Meyer and very similar movies.

Loved Trek III, although I thought Doc Brown was a bit goofy as a Klingon.

Agreed on VI, apart from the pink klingon blood. I don't think I've seen pink blood in any later incarnations so they probably regret that.

I love the Enterprise A aswell - its Trek VI appearance at least.
 
-i liked when they talked about Spock supressing his emotions during death, and why he did it, and then how he couldn't do it at the end

The Bad
-of all places, why did Khan teleport to the Klingon world, no reason to do that (unless I am missing something)

-didn't like that the Vengeance was so huge. What made Star Trek 2 so great was that Khan had a tiny ship compared to the Enterprise, and still was able to hold his own, a true testament to his superior intellect

-Bones needing Khan alive. There were 72 people on board the Enterprise with blood he could use

-the scene of Kirk and Khan flying through space. Felt like a scene from a video game


-The thing about Vulcans that most non-Trekkers don't get is that all Vulcans can feel emotions, it's just that they suppress them. Spock being half human shouldn't make him all that different from other Vulcans even though he's repeatedly treated like he is both in the Abrams films and the original stuff. I liked how he effected the story in STID, but I'd like a return to the more emotionless Spock in future movies.

-Either Khan knew that Admiral Marcus was trying to incite a war with the Klingons and went there to force a confrontation between the two sides or, Khan went someplace to regroup that the Federation couldn't follow.

-The Vengeance was big because it was built to confront a threat on the scale of the Narada which was even bigger than the Vengeance. The ship was more to make Admiral Marcus a threat than Khan. But I also feel they were using the history of Khan being so deadly with a small ship like the Reliant to foreshadow that he would be an even deadlier threat with the Vengeance.

-If McCoy tried to remove one of the other Augments to take their blood he would've killed them. It was established that without knowing the proper way to de-hibernate them, they would die from the procedure. McCoy wasn't about to kill someone in cold blood to revive Kirk. That's why he needed Khan's blood.

-It was used in the recent Star Trek Video Game. But I personally loved the scene and I'm glad it's there.
 
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Danny Elfman has created some masterful work too. Edward Scissorhands springs to mind. Rachel Portman on Sirens and Only You also
These two and Horner have created work in their careers that few manage to emulate. Music for me is fundamental to bringing the story, the acting and emotions together.
I'll admit I've shed a tear or two watching the films these guys have had a hand in! Ha

Yeah, I loved Elfman's Batman themes. I would rate him behind Horner though, who is second IMO, behind the master, John Williams. ;)

Horner's Krull was one of my favorites.
 
Danny Elfman has created some masterful work too. Edward Scissorhands springs to mind. Rachel Portman on Sirens and Only You also
These two and Horner have created work in their careers that few manage to emulate. Music for me is fundamental to bringing the story, the acting and emotions together.
I'll admit I've shed a tear or two watching the films these guys have had a hand in! Ha

If you want beauty as well as Power in you film Scores then you can't go wrong with Basil Poledouris' Conan the Barbarian score.
 
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