J.J. Abrams' Star Trek Into Darkness

[CelticPredator]

I think the movie did that to itself.

 

[a-dev]

Did Plinkett point out this plothole in Generations?

Picard asks why Soren can't simply fly a ship into the ribbon and get into the Nexus that way. Data answers that any ship that approaches the ribbon is either destroyed or severely damaged....but those ships at the beginning and then the Enterprise B all got caught inside the ribbon and Soren, Guinan and Kirk all wound up inside the Nexus. What would it matter if the ship you use is destroyed, you still get in. Therefore the whole blowing up stars to change the course of the ribbon is pointless.

 

[FQRizzo]

Did Plinkett point out this plothole in Generations?

Picard asks why Soren can't simply fly a ship into the ribbon and get into the Nexus that way. Data answers that any ship that approaches the ribbon is either destroyed or severely damaged....but those ships at the beginning and then the Enterprise B all got caught inside the ribbon and Soren, Guinan and Kirk all wound up inside the Nexus. What would it matter if the ship you use is destroyed, you still get in. Therefore the whole blowing up stars to change the course of the ribbon is pointless.

Maybe it isn't a reliable way to get in? As in, more dangerous? Haven't watched that movie in a while.

 

[a-dev]

Maybe it isn't a reliable way to get in? As in, more dangerous? Haven't watched that movie in a while.

Maybe. Maybe it was just a fluke that Soren, Guinan and Kirk ended up in it and everyone else was just killed (after all it was only Soren who was saying 'let me go back' when he and the other people from his ship were rescued at the beginning) but if so the film should have made that clear.

 

[The Ween]

Did Plinkett point out this plothole in Generations?

Picard asks why Soren can't simply fly a ship into the ribbon and get into the Nexus that way. Data answers that any ship that approaches the ribbon is either destroyed or severely damaged....but those ships at the beginning and then the Enterprise B all got caught inside the ribbon and Soren, Guinan and Kirk all wound up inside the Nexus. What would it matter if the ship you use is destroyed, you still get in. Therefore the whole blowing up stars to change the course of the ribbon is pointless.

I might be wrong because I haven't seen the movie in ages, but didn't the ribbon get stronger as it went along?

 

[Niltusk]

Anyone who thinks "only certain Star Trek movies" have plotholes, have plotholes in their heads.

 

[a-dev]

Anyone who thinks "only certain Star Trek movies" have plotholes, have plotholes in their heads.

Plinkett has made me like the TNG films slightly less now I have to say. Theres more holes and inconsistencies and silly things than I realised.

I watched his AOTC review again last night. His reviews should be shown on telly and released on blu-ray. They're hilarious in addition to being dead-on about everything.

 

[Niltusk]

Plinkett has made me like the TNG films slightly less now I have to say. Theres more holes and inconsistencies and silly things than I realised.

I watched his AOTC review again last night. His reviews should be shown on telly and released on blu-ray. They're hilarious in addition to being dead-on about everything.

I haven't watched his reviews, but you're making me want to watch them.

 

[a-dev]

I haven't watched his reviews, but you're making me want to watch them.

https://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5727683&postcount=1724

Celtic's post here is a convenient gateway to most (or everything?) he has done.

 

[CelticPredator]

Half in the Bag is the best modern review show.

Aside from 1 episode, which i'll get to, they give every movie a fair chance, and explain the good and the bad about it, in a mostly thoughtful, and intelligent way.

All while peppering in great comedy. Their review of Into Darkness wasn't postive at all. But they broke it down in way that wasn't "OMG WARP CORE" or "OMG PLOT HOLES". They don't usually go after that stuff unless it really hurts the picture. All movies have plot holes. That's a fact.

Anyway, their Pain and Gain review was pretty bad. They never gave it a fair chance, and just took a hateful **** on it because of the director. It wasn't insightful. Just lame. But oh well. I don't hate them for it. That was just one of those reviews that didn't work for me. Where's Into Darkness did. I agreed with everything they said, but I still like the movie.


And the fact they manage to put a plot line through the entire show for 3 seasons, and manage to keep it interesting is really impressive. Their ability to do cheese and over and under acting is the best thing ever.

 

[Niltusk]

Half in the Bag is the best modern review show.

Aside from 1 episode, which i'll get to, they give every movie a fair chance, and explain the good and the bad about it, in a mostly thoughtful, and intelligent way.

All while peppering in great comedy. Their review of Into Darkness wasn't postive at all. But they broke it down in way that wasn't "OMG WARP CORE" or "OMG PLOT HOLES". They don't usually go after that stuff unless it really hurts the picture. All movies have plot holes. That's a fact.

Anyway, their Pain and Gain review was pretty bad. They never gave it a fair chance, and just took a hateful **** on it because of the director. It wasn't insightful. Just lame. But oh well. I don't hate them for it. That was just one of those reviews that didn't work for me. Where's Into Darkness did. I agreed with everything they said, but I still like the movie.


And the fact they manage to put a plot line through the entire show for 3 seasons, and manage to keep it interesting is really impressive. Their ability to do cheese and over and under acting is the best thing ever.

My biggest gripe with P&G was it beginning with the end, thats just old crappy and tired

Leave that crap to TV detective shows, not movies that are actually going to be released in a theatre. The Rock was excellent in it as well, Mark Wahlberg, not so much.

 

[CelticPredator]

Maybe. It's used too much. But I don't know. I didn't really mind it. It was over, and I knew the story already.

It's not the dislike of the film that bothers me, it's their complete and utter bias that made them talk about how it was all bad, and probably never gave the movie a chance.

 

[a-dev]

Maybe. It's used too much. But I don't know. I didn't really mind it. It was over, and I knew the story already.

It's not the dislike of the film that bothers me, it's their complete and utter bias that made them talk about how it was all bad, and probably never gave the movie a chance.

I've yet to see a positive review from him actually but I've deliberately sought his reviews for films that I knew he would be scathing of knowing they'd probably be the funniest.

 

[Niltusk]

Maybe. It's used too much. But I don't know. I didn't really mind it. It was over, and I knew the story already.

It's not the dislike of the film that bothers me, it's their complete and utter bias that made them talk about how it was all bad, and probably never gave the movie a chance.

The rest of the movie aside, what did you think of Wahlberg? I really enjoy him in so many movies, but in this flick he was just irking the hell out of me. Maybe it wasn't him and the fact that he was playing the dumbest criminal in the world and he was that good at it.

 

[CelticPredator]

I know them all by heart. Positives from Mike and Jay.



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[CelticPredator]

The rest of the movie aside, what did you think of Wahlberg? I really enjoy him in so many movies, but in this flick he was just irking the hell out of me. Maybe it wasn't him and the fact that he was playing the dumbest criminal in the world and he was that good at it.

He's was eh. He was in the movie, and that was it. He played a good *********, but that role wasn't really too hard to pull off. The Rock shined in that film.

 

[CollectorNC]

First off, I'm not a Dude, dude.

And why you got so riled is beyond me. Just trying to save you some aggravation. You obviously don't like the new movies, so why watch them?

Anyway, these are movies, not a series. That makes a big difference in the stories they present and they way they're presented.

Still no excuse for lazy writing. In fact, with 4 years of time there is no excuse for a plot hole filled script. I don't have the right to expect a meaningful Star Trek experience instead of just eye candy effects? Being a fan as long as I have been, I think I've earned the right to expect a solid, well thought out movie when it takes them so long to get one out these days. Also, what's worse, is they already had the template for it. They just overlayed their version on top of the far superior Wrath of Khan.

 

[K07]

Plinkett's reviews don't make me think less of the first two TNG movies. Only reason likely being I saw those two long before I managed to see all of TNG through reruns. No DVDs or Netflix as a child made watching old shows quite the challenge!

But his reviews made me realize so many people hate on Generations.

 

[Gates70]

Still no excuse for lazy writing. In fact, with 4 years of time there is no excuse for a plot hole filled script. I don't have the right to expect a meaningful Star Trek experience instead of just eye candy effects? Being a fan as long as I have been, I think I've earned the right to expect a solid, well thought out movie when it takes them so long to get one out these days. Also, what's worse, is they already had the template for it. They just overlayed their version on top of the far superior Wrath of Khan.

Every single movie has plotholes. Some more than others.

 

[CollectorNC]

Every single movie has plotholes. Some more than others.

Yeah, I know that. Some are a lot bigger and more abundant than others. There's plot holes in all movies. Like they say, size of the plothole does matter.