J.J. Abrams' Star Trek Into Darkness

[screamingmetal]

Which would be fine if it were intended to be entirely seperate but it isn't. So rather than being able to simply look at it as a film on its own merits I can't help but compare it to older Star Trek and find a whole swathe of problems that otherwise wouldn't be problems.



I don't understand why young Spock even called old Spock at that point. What exactly prompted him to do it? Why was he asking about Khan? As far as he knew Admiral Marcus was the much more immediate threat at that time. Why wasn't he asking Old Spock 'Did you ever encounter a Starfleet Admiral Marcus?' It was as though he knew beating Marcus was a foregone conclusion and that Khan was the real threat when in actuality as far as he knew Khan was on their side. Theres also the fact that he makes this call in front of the whole bridge crew and no one bats an eyelid that Spock is somehow talking to his future self. Has Nimoy Spock announced his presence to the whole federation - it didn't seem like he was going to at the end of the 09 film. Annnddd the silliness that they can call old Spock but apparently no other starfleet ships - which would have been handier in their situation at that time. Not that it should even have been necessary to call reinforcements given that they were over earth and Starfleet should have been instantly aware of what was going on.

Also, Khan isn't some obscure character in the Star Trek universe, He's a notable 20th century Earth conquer. Young Spock should've known of him and what a threat a Augment like Khan would've been, no need to contact Prime Spock whatsoever.

 

[Deckard]

Just saw this earlier, people giving it a 9/10, i don't care what you think of old Star Trek, but no matter how you judge this, it was average as **** with an incredibly poorly written story. I can't believe people rating it that high, so many of you have zero credibility.

6/10 barely above average based purely on the amount of money thrown at special effects and J.J.'s cinematography. If this is the "Movie of the summer" we're doomed.

 

[Niltusk]

Just saw this earlier, people giving it a 9/10, i don't care what you think of old Star Trek, but no matter how you judge this, it was average as **** with an incredibly poorly written story. I can't believe people rating it that high, so many of you have zero credibility.

6/10 barely above average based purely on the amount of money thrown at special effects and J.J.'s cinematography. If this is the "Movie of the summer" we're doomed.

Oh no someones losing internet cred.

 

[The Ween]

Oh no someones losing internet cred.

Yup, I'm losing cred all the way around today since I like the new Hobbit trailer as well.

I don't know ****!

 

[CollectorNC]

Also, Khan isn't some obscure character in the Star Trek universe, He's a notable 20th century Earth conquer. Young Spock should've known of him and what a threat a Augment like Khan would've been, no need to contact Prime Spock whatsoever.

Yeah, and wasn't Khan of another ethnic background?

 

[CollectorNC]

Just saw this earlier, people giving it a 9/10, i don't care what you think of old Star Trek, but no matter how you judge this, it was average as **** with an incredibly poorly written story. I can't believe people rating it that high, so many of you have zero credibility.

6/10 barely above average based purely on the amount of money thrown at special effects and J.J.'s cinematography. If this is the "Movie of the summer" we're doomed.

Yeah a 9/10 is a delusional person. I would probably give 2009's a 7/10, and this one a 6/10. If it had real substance as Star Trek has been known for it could have been better than 2009's. But the box office speaks and there's several other summer movies well ahead of it.

 

[CollectorNC]

Yup, I'm losing cred all the way around today since I like the new Hobbit trailer as well.

I don't know ****!

The Hobbit trailer is really good.

 

[Niltusk]

Yeah a 9/10 is a delusional person. I would probably give 2009's a 7/10, and this one a 6/10.

As delusional as one person thinking their opinion is better than anothers?

 

[Deckard]

You should be able to base your opinion on facts, or in this case various merits of the movie. The writing, the acting, cinematography etc. The story here is not close to perfect, it is riddled with plot holes and poor writing and forced cameos. I rate movies based on that system so that when I rate them it can give others a realistic idea on what to expect.

The good news is if you really don't care about your credibility or other's opinions theres no need to ever post on the internet again unless you just feel some strange need to validate yourself to yourself.

 

[Niltusk]

You should be able to base your opinion on facts, or in this case various merits of the movie. The writing, the acting, cinematography etc. The story here is not close to perfect, it is riddled with plot holes and poor writing and forced cameos. I rate movies based on that system so that when I rate them it can give others a realistic idea on what to expect.

The good news is if you really don't care about your credibility or other's opinions theres no need to ever post on the internet again unless you just feel some strange need to validate yourself to yourself.

Thats all your opinion, the fact that you think that your opinion holds merit due to the "concepts" you've identified to form said opinion is just lack of insight on your part. Doesn't matter if you consider yourself a fine movie purveyor or a paid reviewer or just someone who goes to the movies with family or friends, each of those "opinions" is no better than another and different people will identify with each. But lack of insight of understanding that and claiming that "someone elses system of rating is less than yours because it doesn't meet your make believe criteria" really does make you ignorant. Just like you trying to invalidate someone elses ratings for not adhering to yours. More ignorance.

 

[Deckard]

Didn't read since

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And i'm glad to know you've never thought your opinion was better than say the nazi's or kkk, or all the jihadists who want to murder innocent people, they're just thinking outside the box am i right?

Opinions form consensus. They matter and need basis.

 

[Niltusk]

Didn't read since



And i'm glad to know you've never thought your opinion was better than say the nazi's or kkk, or all the jihadists who want to murder innocent people, they're just thinking outside the box am i right?

Yup! I actually pity them, like I pity people who pull the "Hitler" defense.

You know people that know they're such dip****s that got spanked so hard on a internetz forum that they try to compare something like rating movies to Hitler (or the KKK or jihadists).

Good job,champ... heres your sign.

 

[Deckard]

Thats all your opinion, the fact that you think that your opinion holds merit due to the "concepts" you've identified to form said opinion is just lack of insight on your part. Doesn't matter if you consider yourself a fine movie purveyor or a paid reviewer or just someone who goes to the movies with family or friends, each of those "opinions" is no better than another and different people will identify with each. But lack of insight of understanding that and claiming that "someone elses system of rating is less than yours because it doesn't meet your make believe criteria" really does make you ignorant. Just like you trying to invalidate someone elses ratings for not adhering to yours. More ignorance.

Just read this quote back to yourself and think quietly about how completely stupid you are for a little while.

You have the same make-believe criteria that identifies people as ignorant. Hypocrite much?

Here let me save you some time, heres the next couple of posts.

My opinion is your opinion is stupid.

That's your opinion.

Well that's your opinion.

 

[SixMillionDollarMan Guy]

I can't believe people rating it that high, so many of you have zero credibility.

You gotta love the guy standing on his soapbox pointing fingers at everyone else.

Trust me, no one has mistaken Deckard for the voice of reason.

 

[Deckard]

You gotta love the guy standing on his soapbox pointing fingers at everyone else.

Trust me, no one has mistaken Deckard for the voice of reason.

Well that's your opinion of my opinion apparently is what we're learning. Let's see if someone has just an opinion about this.

 

[Niltusk]

Just read this quote back to yourself and think quietly about how completely stupid you are for a little while.

You have the same make-believe criteria that identifies people as ignorant. Hypocrite much?

Here let me save you some time, heres the next couple of posts.

My opinion is your opinion is stupid.

That's your opinion.

Well that's your opinion.

Its not an opinion, Deckard. My opinion was that your bloated sense of self worth for your opinion was ridiculous. The fact that you try comparing me not giving a huge crap about other peoples opinions of a movie to nazi's and jihadists make you at the very least desperate, at the worst...

Its like me telling my vegetarian friend how wrong she is because Hitler was a vegetarian.

 

[Deckard]

That's just your opinion. But that's just my opinion.

 

[Niltusk]

#Hitler #Cat kickers #jihad

 

[Deckard]

Tell me again when I say things, that's my opinion correct?

And when other's say things, that's not my opinion?

This is all so confusing.

Basically my opinion was their opinions stink.

And your opinion is that my opinion stinks and your opinion is better.

Sorry but personally my opinion is that my opinion is better than your opinion that your opinion is better than mine.

Now you go.

 

[CelticPredator]

I don't rate movies any more because the whole "based off it's merits" vs. "how the movie made me feel" gets all jumbled up and it becomes very hard to really get down and put a solid number on it.

I like this movie. I don't love it. The writing sucks. The Khan stuff isn't necessary, and Kirk's death really shouldn't have been in the movie.

But it was saved pretty much only by the great direction, acting, and action by J.J. He can make a film move. Pity he keeps using the same hack writers.