J.J. Abrams' Star Trek Into Darkness

[karamazov80]

Star Wars did have great action, and wasn't dealing with the kinds of complex social and political issues that Star Trek has (putting aside the hamfisted, convoluted political nonsense of the prequels), but it was about more than action, at least through Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back. I do think Abrams seems a better fit with Star Wars, but his filmmaking orientation is still pretty different than what we've seen with the more important Star Wars films IMO.

 

[CollectorNC]

Saw it yesterday too. I found the reboot really enjoyable and wanted to see more of the universe they had created, but this movie pretty much killed all of that. Enormous waste of my time, and I really wanted to love it. Only bright side of the entire thing was Benedict Cumberbatch, but even he was diminished with the terrible inconsistency of his character. Big, fat meh.

Yes, I thought Cumberbatch was a high point. Also did not mind see Peter "Robocop" Weller in an interesting role. Also, a high point for me was a really good score by Giacchino.

 

[CollectorNC]

Star Wars did have great action, and wasn't dealing with the kinds of complex social and political issues that Star Trek has (putting aside the hamfisted, convoluted political nonsense of the prequels), but it was about more than action, at least through Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back. I do think Abrams seems a better fit with Star Wars, but his filmmaking orientation is still pretty different than what we've seen with the more important Star Wars films IMO.

I think Abrams would be more Marquand than Kershner, as I've always saw ROTJ a big action spectacular. I mean the last 30-40 minutes was non-stop. They had the best special effects of the 3 original films due to advancement. And he was able to get a few good dramatic performances out of the cast. I think Abrams will bring back acting to the Star Wars universe. My problems with his Trek reboots aside, he does get some acting that doesn't look wooden out of his actors. Lucas was not able or didn't have the skill in his later years to do so.

 

[karamazov80]

I thought Cumberbatch was serviceable, but he didn't blow me away. He was effective, but was very little like the original Khan. I think Benicio del Toro could have better channeled the Montalban Khan-ness. But putting that aside, he was effective at being a smart, driven man in the same way his Sherlock Holmes is good at that. They could have surely done worse. Weller was a good choice for the Admiral.

 

[karamazov80]

I think Abrams would be more Marquand than Kershner, as I've always saw ROTJ a big action spectacular. I mean the last 30-40 minutes was non-stop. They had the best special effects of the 3 original films due to advancement. And he was able to get a few good dramatic performances out of the cast. I think Abrams will bring back acting to the Star Wars universe. My problems with his Trek reboots aside, he does get some acting that doesn't look wooden out of his actors. Lucas was not able or didn't have the skill in his later years to do so.

Yeah, I'm kind of expecting ROTJ-type films, which isn't necessarily bad, but it wasn't the best of the original Star Wars films. I definitely agree that he's better at getting good acting out of his actors than Lucas in latter years. But there was very little good about Lucas in latter years IMO.

 

[CollectorNC]

I thought Cumberbatch was serviceable, but he didn't blow me away. He was effective, but was very little like the original Khan. I think Benicio del Toro could have better channeled the Montalban Khan-ness. But putting that aside, he was effective at being a smart, driven man in the same way his Sherlock Holmes is good at that. They could have surely done worse. Weller was a good choice for the Admiral.

I think what bothered me was how he delivered the line, "My name is Khan." It seemed odd.

 

[a-dev]

My problems with his Trek reboots aside, he does get some acting that doesn't look wooden out of his actors. Lucas was not able or didn't have the skill in his later years to do so.

Lucas didn't care about the quality of acting at all. The only thing that was important to him was that the actor was standing in the right spot so they could fill the rest of the frame with superflous CG crap.

 

[CollectorNC]

Lucas didn't care about the quality of acting at all. The only thing that was important to him was that the actor was standing in the right spot so they could fill the rest of the frame with superflous CG crap.

Which I think is the difference between Lucas and all other directors of heavy CGI films. Most try to get a performance out. You're right that Lucas just didn't care. He had a new toy and only used the actors because he had to.

 

[Fia2k9]

Excellent points and an interesting read, particularly the part about the Enterprise under water.

https://www.aintitcool.com/node/62867

Good Read. Looks like there are still a lot of people out there that cannot accept the fact that this new Star Trek is a mindless stupid action flick. Anyone who thinks there are touched on aspects to Classic Trek ideals in this new incarnation aside of being vaguely mentioned contrivances is mistaken.

 

[Sachiel]

Good Read. Looks like there are still a lot of people out there that cannot accept the fact that this new Star Trek is a mindless stupid action flick.

You mean people like the guy who wrote that article?

 

[The Ween]

I thought Cumberbatch was serviceable, but he didn't blow me away. He was effective, but was very little like the original Khan. I think Benicio del Toro could have better channeled the Montalban Khan-ness. But putting that aside, he was effective at being a smart, driven man in the same way his Sherlock Holmes is good at that. They could have surely done worse. Weller was a good choice for the Admiral.

 

[Fia2k9]

You mean people like the guy who wrote that article?

No... the guy who wrote the article is stating the fact

 

[Niltusk]

No... the guy who wrote the article is stating the fact

The article about why science and STID don't work together?



What a dip****.

 

[a-dev]

You may not be a dude but you have the mind of one.

 

[toylion]

You may not be a dude but you have the mind of one.

[ame]https://youtu.be/nf0oXY4nDxE[/ame]

 

[The Ween]

You may not be a dude but you have the mind of one.

Yeah, at times, I too am impressed by a nice set of jugs.

All boys in my family doesn't help.

 

[The Ween]

Anyway, did any of you see the Star Trek Academy ring Sideshow is selling. It looks horrible compared to the Josten's one I have.

 

[Fia2k9]

Good Read. Looks like there are still a lot of people out there that cannot accept the fact that this new Star Trek is a mindless stupid action flick. Anyone who thinks there are touched on aspects to Classic Trek ideals in this new incarnation aside of being vaguely mentioned contrivances is mistaken.

You mean people like the guy who wrote that article?

No... the guy who wrote the article is stating the fact

The article about why science and STID don't work together?



What a dip****.

Yeah but munch, I was agreeing with that. The article was about how STID threw out even the basics of science.

 

[Adolfo]

Star Trek: Into Darkness - out of 5

That's awesome...

 

[Vivek]

Wow, can't imagine the possibilities. A Star Trek movie by Neil Blomkamp would have been something extraordinary.


Blomkamp says no to Star Trek 3 | Channel24

"I used to be a Star Trek: The Next Generation fan, like, big time. But no, I probably wouldn't do that.

I don't know if me getting involved with a franchise is the best thing for me. When studios smell franchises, they smell money. And they'll try to do what they can to the franchise to make it make the most money it can make, and a lot of those interesting ideas kind of fall by the side of the road.

The 33-year-old director - who helmed sci-fi flick District 9 - is a fan of Abrams' Star Trek and his recent sequel, Star Trek Into Darkness, but doesn't feel he would be able to make the movie he wants to make due to restrictions imposed by film studios Paramount and Skydance Productions.

Do I like Star Trek on its own without the politics of making it? Yes, absolutely. But do I think that you could make it in the way that I would want to make it? Probably not, which makes me not want to make it."