screamingmetal said:
I'm not trying to prove to you that the Big Bang happened or what not. Can it be proved? Yes, Cosmic microwave background radiation proves the big bang happened. Explaining this would once again, get into a needless argument, (you'll never believe it no matter what evidence). I couldn't care if you believe in it. Science is used to explain the why not the whom. People only have a problem with Science when it explains something that is contradicted in the Bible. I'm not an Atheist because of Science, but because of rational deduction..
First thing, first. If you had actually read my posts for comprehension, you would know that I do believe in the Big Bang Theory. I believe that there was nothing, then there was a violent "creation" of matter and the universe came into being. The only place we seem to disagree is the original cause for that Big Bang. Science cannot explain what caused the Big Bang. They have theories, sure. But they have no proof. Therefore, its just as rational for me to believe that God caused it as anything you can hypothesize. I mean at least my Bible describes something similar to what happened. What historical science book do you have detailing the creation that occurred during the Big Bang?
screamingmetal said:
"My point of view is that all religion is superstitious nonsense. I don't care what religion it is, Buddhism, Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Scientology, Norse Paganism, Greco-Roman Paganism, etc, it's all BS. It has as much validity as LOTR and Star Wars. So it comes down to what evidence outside of religious sources is there that any creator or creators exist?
NONE.
So that leaves the "absence of proof does not mean proof of absence" argument.
Which is very easily disputed with the Flying Spaghetti Monster, Invisible Pink Unicorn, etc..".
Sorry, there are more "Flying Spaghetti Monsters" in an aethistic view than there are in my Christianity. And all we have to do is look at some of the more colorful things Science cannot explain:
We already discussed the Big Bang, so I will move on.
Which came first, the Chicken or the Egg? So, how does a creature come into being if there is no "mother" to birth them? I do believe in the evolution of single cell organism, but those are still living organisms. What created them? An outside force created them. Even science agrees on that. And I think its more rational to believe its a deity than some random cosmic event. The world is much too complex and organized to be random.
While the Big Bang is considered an exception, Science's Conservation of Energy theory postulates that Energy is neither created or destroyed. It is simply redirected. Well, I see the human soul as an energy source. The neurons and chemical reactions that power our brain are a giant battery of sorts for that energy. So, when we die, what happens to that energy? Science tells us it is not destroyed. It has to go somewhere. Why is it illogical to believe it all goes some place (Heaven or Hell)? You can argue that there is no sure thing as a soul, but just like the smallest molecules in our cells ... just because you cannot see it doesn't mean its not there.
If there is no Heaven or Hell, how can you explain near death experiences? 99% of them follow the same basic structure, regardless of beliefs or religion. If its a hallucination as some scientist theorize, why are they all so similar? Group hallucinations are not possible unless there is some unifying factor... the soul perhaps?
screamingmetal said:
Just because there is an absence of proof for the existence of either doesn't mean they don't exist. Give them a few thousand years and constant instilling of traditional beliefs to every generation, and it's as valid as the Gods of Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Norse Paganism, Greco-Roman Paganism, Hinduism.
You can say that they don't exist, someone made them up, and I'd say your right, some one long ago made up the notion of God(s) and every religion has stolen it.
Actually, you are wrong. I believe all religions are related in some way. All religions worship the same diety, the same God. Even the older pagan religions were monotheism "in disguise" so to speak. They may have called all of their deities Gods, but the Sun God ruled all. He was in charge. Zeus was in charge of all the other Greek Gods ... etc. Nearly every religion has a central "Father" God who is in charge and controls all. That's pretty much the same structure as the Christian religion. The difference is we call these other lesser deities angels and spirits. Human nature is the reason for all the different variations. Its best represented by the Protestant Reformation. They split from the Catholic church over procedures, not faith. The Church of England split from the Catholic Church because the King wanted to divorce his queen. And it goes on like that throughout history. It's my belief that religion began as a single "pure" Faith in our lord. Man's weakness and jealous/lustful nature caused a splinter effect.
It does sadden me Screaming that you would give up on our intellectual conversation and resort to childish insults. I disagreed with you, and debated with you. However, I never once insulted you or your beliefs. Not sure if you felt you were losing the debate or what, but it was really depressing to see someone who appears to be rather intelligent act like one of my 1st graders.
(not actually a word) 
