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I don't see how anyone could compare Avatar to Transformers TBH...Michael Bay could learn a lot from James Cameron on how to incorporate something called a good story into his films...

In this instance, it appears Cameron took a page from Bay.

Posted this yesterday ... but thought it might be funny to post again ...

https://thezaz.nationallampoon.com/articles/avatar-2-3-plots-leaked-lampoon-exclusive/

For the record, I am not the author ... but the author is a good friend of mine.

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I don't mean to sound like an ??????? here but if people in this colleting hobby are only complaining about this movie because they are annoyed they spent 12$ and didn't enjoy it I don't really understand how you can spend that much on a collectible but be so pissed off about this.
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I understand you may not have enjoyed the movie but complaining about your money afterwards I would never do personally. Seems a little silly to me , its not like people on here can get your money back.
And if its about being annoyed to pay more for glasses surely you knew this before you paid ?.

That A.M.P is sheer awesome mech/tech/military movie magic by Cameron and Legacy Effects!
 
I really dont let peoples religion, craziness (Tom Cruise) or political messages bother me in movies. I consider Bush to be one of our greatest presidents in history but I dont care if Cameron being Liberal throws in a few jabs and a message in his film. Its entertainment for the most part.

Bush Jr.? Not to get off topic but one of the greatest in history? Cool, I respect your opinion. I also don't have a problem with movies that are overly conservative (if such a movie exists in Hollywood) :lol.
 
Honestly though with Avatar I don't feel like you have to chuck your brain to the floor I thought it had a great story , with transformers if you don't throw your brain out its likely to explode. :lol

Is there many people who actually liked the plot of transformers ? , I can gaurantee that there is a hell of alot who loved the plot with Avatar ( regardless of it not being fresh ... I have to add that otherwise I will get quoted by someone telling me " but its not fresh ". :lol ) .

I guess though some people can be invested into a story for different reasons. Personally I always get pulled out of LOTR when Frodo and Sam keep getting reallly emotional together , it happens alot and for me personally just takes me out of the movie a little. Sorry LOTR fans.:monkey3
With Avatar I was never pulled out once.

LOTR story is much stonger overall but if I had to compare Avatar's story telling to transformers or LOTR it would be LOTR for me personally.

Actually, I honoestly do enjoy the plots of both Transformers films. It's a fun romp. Do I think they could be better? NO DOUBT! But that's not what it's about, and apparently the story isn't *really* what Avatar is about either. It's an EVENT film, not a story film (anyone who doesn't know what happens just from watching the trailers, is...well..."slow" is a nice word). Same can be said for Titanic. Everyone knows the ship sinks. SEEING it sink is another matter entirely! And the love story was so sweet that young girls - think the same that love 'Twilight' these days - fell in love with the characters and made it over the top, ridiculous money... but for me and many others, it was about SEEING THE BOAT SINK! and all the little nuances that went with that sinkage (is that a word?)...and how mind-blowing that was on the big screen, which is why it doesn't hold up when not in theaters.

Regardless, it will be very interesting to watch Avatar's future unfold.
 
Just had to step in here - this is exactly what the fans of Transformers (like me) say and get bashed for it. "Enjoy it for what it is, don't over think it."

Avatar (and most of Cameron's other fare) is pretty much exactly the same as Transformers (NOT the plotline, just the general movie-going experience) - AWESOME effects, a bit of a silly story and horrible one-liners, and not the best acting... exactly like Transformers. But Cameron is much more high and mighty than Bay, so *some* people expect more from him. Those that expect more are not finding it in Avatar. Those that just want a fun romp at the theater are getting exactly that. Nothing wrong with either point of view...

Although, ultimately my point is... anyone who bashes Transformers and LOVES Avatar is a little hypocritical :duff

IMO, films like Star Wars or LOTR far outdo Transformers on an emotional and film-making/story-telling level.... but I really love Transformers FOR WHAT IT IS. I expect I will think the same about Avatar... it is NOT going to be a Star Wars or LOTR, but it's a fun time at the theater. I'm in line with LOTRfan - if they had sold it as simply another 'summer blockbuster' it would be a different story. Cameron's overbearing "I'm better than everyone" attitude just gets under my skin. Just because your movie makes the most money doesn't mean it is the best. (Titanic proves that ... is it on ANYONE'S top 10 film list? Do people re-watch it a million times at home? Nope - it's a "theater or nothing" film - in that respect I'd even argue that Transformers is a longer-lasting film and franchise, although I guess we don't really know yet - we shall see how the Avatar collectibles perform... and if anyone starts getting Avatar tattoos ;))

Titanic is on my brothers Top favorite movie. Avatar for me is up there but I will admit I don't think Avatar is as special as the original Star Wars movies/imo nothing can or ever will be again. Lotr is an epic adventure as well. But either way we cant really say until the AVATAR trilogy is complete because both franchises have more under their belt. Avatar 2 could be its Empire strikes back. I dont think Titanic or Avatar are a theater only film though. Due to the millions who have seen the film and arent whining about its story-and the tons of people clammering for merch where there really isnt much at the moment-I think the Sideshow line of Avatar will be doing just fine. I'm down for an A.M.P and cant wait!
 
I have to say I completely disagree here. I thought transformers had a ridiculous story line , awkward moments , ridiculous acting and was just overall boring apart from the scenes with the robots fighting.
I was never bored with Avatar personally and I honestly thought the story was quite powerful , regardless of it not being fresh.

I felt sorry for the Navi when the humans were attacking them and they were pretty much helpless at first and I did get invested into the story which I can't say for transformers

I don't think its fair to say someone is a little hypocritical for liking one movie but not another ecspecially when they are completely different types of movies other than the amazing special effects.

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Just caught your new part of your post. I think you need to check this movie out. In my opinion it tells a story much better than Bay did and it is much more emotional. Enough to not compare it to transformers anyway.

Its not the most confusing story. Everyone talks about how simple the story is. Do you want a confusing one? I think if anything the movie was slow for the first two thirds. But it sets up why you get emotionally engaged in the final act.
 
We'll just agree to disagree then. Anyone who didn't feel a little bit sad when Optimus fell in battle has a heart of stone ;) :duff (I've also heard a lot of 'boring' comments about Avatar - if you aren't out on the planet seeing all the cool 3D effects, it lags)

Of course I am going to check the movie out, I'd be silly not to! And I expect to like it quite a lot! ("for what it is") It's hard though, when you have a kid you have to pick and choose your film-going carefully. I don't want to sit in the very front or sides because the babysitter was late... because this is definitely a 'theater' movie and I want the best seats possible, so I'm waiting until the crowds die down!

WHAT! You havent seen it yet! Get outta here and come back when you have an opinion! lol j/k
 
Bush Jr.? Not to get off topic but one of the greatest in history? Cool, I respect your opinion. I also don't have a problem with movies that are overly conservative (if such a movie exists in Hollywood) :lol.

Yeah, its not a popular stance but now it seems neither is admitting you voted for Obama. But back to discussing AVATAR
 
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most humans suck to be honest.

In regards to Transformers. If it were not for the nostalgia factor, it would be a complete joke of a movie to more people. I found it entertaining enough, but i have to be honest with myself that it was an extremely cliche and poorly written movie. the FX and nostalgia is what kept it afloat.
100% agree
We'll just agree to disagree then. Anyone who didn't feel a little bit sad when Optimus fell in battle has a heart of stone ;) :duff (I've also heard a lot of 'boring' comments about Avatar - if you aren't out on the planet seeing all the cool 3D effects, it lags)

Of course I am going to check the movie out, I'd be silly not to! And I expect to like it quite a lot! ("for what it is") It's hard though, when you have a kid you have to pick and choose your film-going carefully. I don't want to sit in the very front or sides because the babysitter was late... because this is definitely a 'theater' movie and I want the best seats possible, so I'm waiting until the crowds die down!

You mean there was someone in the movie other than Meagan Fox?

I multiquoted for LChinoz :)
 
:lol Now you're just being silly. It's not about the CUBE, it's about SAVING THE WORLD FROM EVIL GIANT ROBOT ALIENS!!!! Giant blue cat people guarding their "unobtanium" or giant alien robots guarding their "AllSpark"... pick your poison.

it's apparent that you have not seen the movie yet because the premise of the movie has little to do with the unobtanium but more about the land and way of life. and I think it's silly to say that TF has remotely equal substance that avatar does.

I liked both movies for what they were, but like I said, being honest and non-biased, TF is kind of weak compared to Avatar, as cliche or unoriginal as the story may be.
 
I liked both movies for what they were, but like I said, being honest and non-biased, TF is kind of weak compared to Avatar, as cliche or unoriginal as the story may be.

thats exactly what I was trying to say but couldn't within about 9 paragraphs. I suck with words. :lol
 
it's apparent that you have not seen the movie yet because the premise of the movie has little to do with the unobtanium but more about the land and way of life. and I think it's silly to say that TF has remotely equal substance that avatar does.

I liked both movies for what they were, but like I said, being honest and non-biased, TF is kind of weak compared to Avatar, as cliche or unoriginal as the story may be.

Dis brah speaks the trute! You back in the islands nash?
 
Re: I saw AVATAR in 3D!

If you're referring to me, I don't hate this movie (haven't seen it yet), I hated There Will Be Blood.

OK, I may be way off the mark here, but I don't think you're gonna like Avatar too much... I have a feelng that when (and this isn't too much of a spoiler) but I think when Colonel Miles gives his little speech/corporate pep talk... I just have a feeling you might be on a side that differs to most... though I hope I'm doing you a diservice and I'm wrong.
I've known some grunts in my time... and I'm amazed at how often they are purely just grunts! Sad but true!
PS, I'm not saying this to antagonise, it is based on true life experience.
 
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