James Cameron's AVATAR discussion thread

[CelticPredator]

Hahahahahahah!! Oh lord....hahaha.

 

[Khev]

Getting back to this:

Eywa is more of a biological wonder than a supernatural one. Eywa has heard Jake and tapped into Grace's memories learning the fate of earth's eco-system. It later mobilizes all living beings trough it's network to fight for survival as a whole. It's not really divine in my opinion. Also Tsu Tsey death has nothing to do with it, the Na' Vi were losing the battle so Eywa switched into survival mode mobilizing all creatures to fight for their/it's existence.

I think the movie leaves it open to interpretation but for all the "plugging in" done by the people/creatures of Eywa I don't think that the planet just happened to be jacked in physically with all those hundreds or thousands of animals that joined the fray and sent some signal through their chords. I took it as Eywa being a supernatural force that telepathically communicated with all animals at once.

The creatures could have started the fight, but then Tsu Te would have stayed the leader. They could have waited another five minutes, but then Jake would have died also (most likely.) I think the exact moment was chosen so that Jake would take over as leader of that tribe. He was definitely "chosen" in advance by the spirits of the forest, I see no reason to not believe that his final ascension wasn't guided by the spirit as well. It isn't totally spelled out of course, if you see it another way that's cool, but that's my take.

The Na'vi didn't know everything about Ewya (she DOES take sides), and she used Jake to teach them.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

Never played WOW , never saw the point of it plus people seem to be obseesed over it and act wierd about it.

deja-vu........

 

[ironwez20]

Hahahahahahah!! Oh lord....hahaha.

Dude get off the guy's **** everything he says isnt funny, wtf is the matter with you i havent done anything to you. O wait i defend avatar from a kid who says he hates it a hundred times a day to hide the fact that he loves the movie and has fantasys for quarich. Im so obsessed. gtfo of here with that man.

Then im probaly gonna get your friends coming in here saying how im wrong and that im acting like a fanboy when im not, im just sick of you and your little need to make me seem like im some avatar fan hell bent on changing the minds of others when that is not my motivation at all.

 

[CelticPredator]

Oh little wez.....why didnt you go after the dude above me?

Do you ever just read what we're saying to you? You come across like a sad little child on here, you spout BS, and whenever someone calls you out on it, you get all upset.

It has NOTHING to do with Avatar. Never had ANYTHING to do with Avatar. It has everything to do with YOU sir. You have people who agree with you about Avatar, calling you out it.

And also, you never spell the word OH. Which is really annoying. And did you say I have fantasy's about Quaritch? Who doesnt? If you dont, you are not a man.

 

[ironwez20]

Oh little wez.....why didnt you go after the dude above me?

Do you ever just read what we're saying to you? You come across like a sad little child on here, you spout BS, and whenever someone calls you out on it, you get all upset.

It has NOTHING to do with Avatar. Never had ANYTHING to do with Avatar. It has everything to do with YOU sir. You have people who agree with you about Avatar, calling you out it.

And also, you never spell the word OH. Which is really annoying. And did you say I have fantasy's about Quaritch? Who doesnt? If you dont, you are not a man.

I wasnt talking about you i was talking about shia labauf haha. And call me out on what exactly? The only thing i see is your friends defending you becuase you act as if tho im the bad guy, all i see is a punk kid allways looking for an argument. Thiers no other way to spell o its a freakin letter are you really that dense over the tinest mispelling of words get over it do you really prefer me to write in internet slang.

So what your saying is that your just trying to get me upset, Just becuase i say Stop saying avatar sucks to shia doesnt mean anything your just looking for a argument you even said so yourself. Your only trying to pit people agaist me and make yourself look like some sane nerd or somthing.

 

[ironwez20]

double post

 

[CelticPredator]

Ugh. When other people call you out on your behavior....then maybe you have a problem. I dont make people believe anything bro. It's you. I've been trying to tell you this since SHH.

 

[ironwez20]

O right and thats why you got kicked out becuase of your nonsense in the avatar thread when you were fighting with other people who said positive things on the movie.

Look i really dont wanna get banned so im just gonna end this now and say that your wrong trying to make seem like some punk avatar fan looking for a fight, saying crap like everyone's agaist me is somthing i could care less about.

 

[CelticPredator]

No. People were, like I said, pushing the movie to a new level.

And I didnt get kicked out. I left. I had enough of their stupid nazi mods. Mods should not take their job on a personal note, and stalk the ____ outta me for no reason whatsoever.

 

[ironwez20]

I have to admit that i went a little overboard ealeir on SHH but its not your place to change people's opnions and i have been trying to tell you this for months if they think its perfect then let it be. But i remeber you getting into a fight with that nivex guy and they banned you from the avatar thread.

 

[CelticPredator]

Yes, and bro, here's the thing. I dont hate you. Not at all. I just want you to start posting like a normal internet nerd. The way you come across sometimes is just bad.

You'd say things like "hurt locker only won because the director was a women". Saying things like that is just asking for trouble. Then people call you out on it, and there ya go.


And that guy was annoying as ____. I dont care if they love the movie. It's not about the movie. It's about how people give their opinions on the movie. When they start attacking OTHER movies to try and justify Avatar, like it's godly, that is just lame.

When people say silly things like "AVATAR IS THE GREATEST." "No movie will ever be better" stuff like that...thats where I, and everyone else who "attacks Avatar" feel annoyed. It has never been about the movie. Never.

 

[ironwez20]

Thats just a crazy fanbase, people say all the time that twilight is the greatest thing ever made and that the vampire are the coolest , i just laugh and think about how stupid that sounded but its still what they think man. I'm not trying to fight you but in my opnion hurt locker shoudn't have one not becuase i liked avatar but becuase it just wasn't that good of a movie to me and I think people should just laugh and say yea right and thats it. Not this your an idiot avatard who doesnt understand anything crap.

 

[CelticPredator]

And you're fine to think THL shouldnt have won...but you have to give a better reason to justify it other then "the director was a woman"

All the people i've agrued with (minus some) were avatards. People who took the movie to an unhealthy level.

 

[ironwez20]

double post

 

[DinoLast]

Look I don't want to get in to an argument over a movie, but if people think Avatar is the Greatest, they're surely entitled to say that.

I think the Empire Strikes Back, Raiders of the Lost Ark and Jaws are the three best movies ever made, but I'm sure there are people who will think I'm an idiot because of my choices. However I think that's their problem not mine.

It does work both ways though, If somebody politely disagrees with an ardent Avatar fan that the movie is this best, and then said Avatard gets all pissy about it. That's why I support SolidSnake in his opinion, because all his comments were positive, and never attacked the people that disagreed with him.

 

[8th wonder]

=Khev;2485407]Getting back to this:



I think the movie leaves it open to interpretation but for all the "plugging in" done by the people/creatures of Eywa I don't think that the planet just happened to be jacked in physically with all those hundreds or thousands of animals that joined the fray and sent some signal through their chords. I took it as Eywa being a supernatural force that telepathically communicated with all animals at once.

It is indeed open to interpretation, it could be a highly evolved biological entity or it could be some kind of real pantheistic pandora-based goddess. The movie is definately spiritual just not tied to any specific religion in my opinion.

The creatures could have started the fight, but then Tsu Te would have stayed the leader.

They could have waited another five minutes, but then Jake would have died also (most likely.) I think the exact moment was chosen so that Jake would take over as leader of that tribe.

I think Tsu Tsey already gave up leadership when Jake became the new Toruk Macto; a holy kind of warrior. Jake asks Tsu Tsey for the permission to speak but in my opinion that is just a form of respect (to become true Omaticaya brothers again).

He was definitely "chosen" in advance by the spirits of the forest,

That is true, but as you can see earlier in the film, Jake's brain activity seems to be quite unique, that combined with being a skilled warrior in a Avatar body and having a pure heart gives him the traits to lead Pandora to a brighter future. His entire being presents an opportunity for victory and peace. He is chosen in advance because Eywa SEES Jake.

I see no reason to not believe that his final ascension wasn't guided by the spirit as well.

The final transference of consciousness in the Avatar was definately guided by Eywa. I wouldn't call it ascension though since his human body died.

It isn't totally spelled out of course, if you see it another way that's cool, but that's my take.

I don't really see it in another way but like i said i wouldn't call it ascension and it still could be some very complex natural/biological activity. It's open to interpretation.

The Na'vi didn't know everything about Ewya (she DOES take sides), and she used Jake to teach them.

I actually think it's like Neytiri said, she protects only the balance of life. Eywa has learned from Grace's memory (the fate of earth) that human greed leads to a state of imbalance, it's a matter of survival for Pandora. Further activity of humans on Pandora would lead to the destruction of Pandora's balance. You could call it ''taking sides'' but not necessarily. Also i don't really see Eywa coming into action functioning as a teaching tool, it is simply crucial for survival. It responded to Jake's prayer/message (to understand the fate of earth as a possible future fate of Pandora), not really to teach the Na' Vi but for the survival of the planet. When Neytiri is saying that Eywa doesn't take sides she not really aware that the balance of the entire planet is at stake. When Eywa learned about the human destruction of earth it became much more than Na' Vi culture versus the company, it became human greed (imbalance) vs life on Pandora (balance).

 

[BadMoon]

I'm convinced that Avatar brings out the worst in people. See above posts.

 

[8th wonder]

I'm convinced that Avatar brings out the worst in people. See above posts.

Or you could have a friendly and relaxed discussion about it like i'm doing with Khev. That's probably because we both like Avatar though.

 

[Johnny Utah]

https://www.empireonline.com/chat/

Stephen Lang is taking questions about his career, including Avatar, for those interested.