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Not sure what your point is... but that happens ALL the time EVERYWHERE in the world...

There's a nuclear plant here, north of San Diego, it's right next to the ocean. Just last week they said it's designed to withhold a 7.5 magnitude earthquake... Last year we had a 6.9 one... a little more and that plant would've been in serious problems... :dunno

The point is that nuclear power is too dangerous, and that they of all people should have known that. All nuclear power plants should be shut down permanently, and to have any nuclear power plant running is to gamble with human lives to a totally unnecessary degree.
 
The point is that nuclear power is too dangerous, and that they of all people should have known that. All nuclear power plants should be shut down permanently, and to have any nuclear power plant running is to gamble with human lives to a totally unnecessary degree.

Yup i couldnt of said it any better myself, ask anyone who has seen the devastation that occurs or is possible and think of ones family and its hard not to realize how foolish we are.
 
You don't think it was overly generous of them to give you this opportunity to wax superior at the expense of their suffering? Honestly, when else would you have the opportunity to show the world how primitive and low they are compared to you?

They could have built it to withstand an 8.9 instead of a 7.9, you know? They could have built it to withstand a 22 foot wave instead of an 18, and then where would you be?

I think you should count your blessings. I realize it hasn't degraded into a total meltdown, and there aren't going to be catastrophic consequences from their hateful and greedy neglect, but you did get a pretty big soapbox for what it's worth. You really should be more grateful.

The Japanese who built the nuclear power plants and the ones who wanted them running were the ones who waxed superior towards the laws of nature itself, because of their intellectual arrogance. Nuclear power is too dangerous. Three Mile Island, Chernobyl, and now this, for example. Thanks to those in favor of nuclear power, a lot of Japanese people will die.
 
Thousands of Japanese people HAVE died in this natural disaster and that had nothing to do with the Nuclear plants, so please have some respect and understanding before you start posting about their 'intellectual arrogance'.

This thread was made to update people on the horrific events thats are happening over there right now, not to assign blame on those going through it.
x :peace
 
Thousands of Japanese people HAVE died in this natural disaster and that had nothing to do with the Nuclear plants, so please have some respect and understanding before you start posting about their 'intellectual arrogance'.

This thread was made to update people on the horrific events thats are happening over there right now, not to assign blame on those going through it.
x :peace

I was speaking SPECIFICALLY about the nuclear power aspect of this event, and of the people who will die of radiation poisoning in the future because of these nuclear power plants. If there were no people making or supporting the existence of nuclear power plants, these ADDITIONAL deaths would not occur, as they would have been totally preventable, and thus were totally unnecessary. Those who believe that nuclear power can actually be safe, including those Japanese who built and supported the existence of nuclear power plants are indeed intellectually arrogant, because they believe that they can guarantee truly safe nuclear power, which is impossible.
People who support nuclear power gamble with human lives. That said, I'm sure not all Japanese people believe in nuclear power, so it is most unfortunate that THEY will have to suffer the same as people who support nuclear power and gambling with human life in such a cavalier manner.
It is the fault of people who believe in nuclear power that people die of radiation poisoning, not natural disaster. The forces of nature have been around a lot longer than human beings have, and so it is incumbent upon human beings not to build things that would cause catastrophe, should a natural disaster affect it, and thus make people far worse off than they would be without said built things.
I think the Hippocratic oath should be applied to making technology. "First do No Harm"

It is truly sad that people have died, and the deaths that will occur in the future because of radiation poisoning, but let us not forget that there were people who were directly at fault for some of these deaths, and that we need to learn from their mistakes to avoid unnecessary additional deaths.

As far as the disaster in general, the nuclear power plants not withstanding, were people AWARE that this sort of disaster would happen and said or did nothing and allowed more building, ect? I don't know. If people were aware that such a disaster would occur and built anyway, they are responsible.

A lot of people would say, it's really sad that people have died, and it's a freak accident that no one could have foreseen, and lets pray for their families, and maybe give them aid to help them rebuild, but to me, that is not good enough.

I have enough problem with people dying unnecessarily to address all of the reasons WHY it happened and determine how to PREVENT it from happening in the future, so that no more unnecessary suffering or death occurs. Real caring about people requires the emphasis on safety, and preventing catastrophe. Otherwise, just feeling sorry for people and supporting the idea of business as usual in the future is actually callous, because that will result in it happening again, which will result in more deaths.

So, if you think that it's bad that people will die from radiation poisoning in Japan, don't support nuclear power anywhere else in the world, even if the other ones don't have problems (other than disposing of spent nuclear waste, of course, which can kill people, ha, ha). People believed that the nuclear power plants in Japan and Chernobyl were safe. Look how wrong that belief was.

I'm not placing blame on all those going through this disaster, just the ones who are at fault.
Make no mistake, people in Japan WILL die because of radiation poisoning. Either sooner or later, dying of cancer, they will, and it's all because of people who believe that nuclear power can be safe.
 
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Nature is dangerous. Get over it.

You must remember to extend the logic. Nature is dangerous. Nuclear power is dangerous. Which is better, one dangerous thing, or TWO? Just because Nuclear power is invented doesn't make the dangers of nature go away, which is the implication of your statement.
 
The only problem though I have with your logic is that the plants are perfectly safe without an almost 9.0 earthquake. That in itself is a rarity
 
The only problem though I have with your logic is that the plants are perfectly safe without an almost 9.0 earthquake. That in itself is a rarity

Perfectly safe OTHER than the nuclear waste that needs to be disposed of, the half-life of which is how many million years? That is assuming that the plants don't leak, as they sometimes do.
 
I guess humans should have stopped using fire after the first house burned down too eh?
 
You guys would really compare that stuff to nuclear power? The last time I checked nuclear power could destroy everything and there is nothing that you could do about it. Fire can be extinguished and cars and planes are not on the same scale. You guys can try to use Hyperbole to make ridiculous statements but this is something that we should be talking about.
 
Water can destroy everything. Should we get special machines to dry up the oceans?
 
I have to agree with Blackthorone on a lot of points. I don't like nuclear power, but then I live within 50 miles of a plant. :panic:
 
If there were better and safer alternatives I would much rather see those in place because I wouldn't want anyone to get sick or die from radiation but thats not happening right now and until it does (if it ever does) we just have to deal with it the best we can. Its the hand we have been delt and I don't see it going away... ever.
 
Water can destroy everything. Should we get special machines to dry up the oceans?

Considering there are no other alternatives to creating atmospheric moisture, I would say, "no". Care to try again with another analogy. :lol

The simple question is "Are there other ways to get energy?"

There are. They do take huge investment and maybe they aren't as effecient as nuclear power, but they are at least safer. Its not ENTIRELY practical now, but with continued investment it might be.

Part of the problem is that the energy companies fear stuff like solar power because it means one day individual families may become energy self sufficient. The powers that be can't have that.
 
You guys would really compare that stuff to nuclear power? The last time I checked nuclear power could destroy everything and there is nothing that you could do about it. Fire can be extinguished and cars and planes are not on the same scale. You guys can try to use Hyperbole to make ridiculous statements but this is something that we should be talking about.

Um... you do know the definition of hyperbole, right?

Just asking because your statement would seem a tad hyperbolic. There is a huge difference between having an atom bomb drop on top of your city and the amount of radiation released and a nuclear plant (ie one of hundreds in operation) that goes into partial meltdown.

Can you remind us just how many people in Japan have died or are dying as a result of fallout from this? :tap
 
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