Japan hit by 8.8 magnitude quake - major tsunami event underway

[The Josh]

Considering there are no other alternatives to creating atmospheric moisture, I would say, "no". Care to try again with another analogy.

The simple question is "Are there other ways to get energy?"

There are. They do take huge investment and maybe they aren't as effecient as nuclear power, but they are at least safer. Its not ENTIRELY practical now, but with continued investment it might be.

Part of the problem is that the energy companies fear stuff like solar power because it means one day individual families may become energy self sufficient. The powers that be can't have that.

 

[Shatterer of Dreams]

Um... you do know the definition of hyperbole, right?

Just asking because your statement would seem a tad hyperbolic. There is a huge difference between having an atom bomb drop top of your city and the amount of radiation released and a nuclear plant (ie one of hundreds in operation) that goes into partial meltdown.

Can you remind us just how many people in Japan have died or are dying as a result of fallout from this?

Last time I checked Chernobol is not an inhabital place and if you have a stage 5 meltdown the consequences would be horrific so in that sense my statement is not hyperbole unlike your original one.

 

[EVILFACE]

The point is that nuclear power is too dangerous, and that they of all people should have known that. All nuclear power plants should be shut down permanently, and to have any nuclear power plant running is to gamble with human lives to a totally unnecessary degree.

Yup i couldnt of said it any better myself, ask anyone who has seen the devastation that occurs or is possible and think of ones family and its hard not to realize how foolish we are.

I'm sure you two can step right up with the natural resources to power those cities once the oh so bad nuclear plants are shut down.

I guess next time we have a gasoline spill or a oil tanker goes up we need to shut down everything that deals with those as well.

 

[Blackthornone]

I guess humans should have stopped using fire after the first house burned down too eh?

Fire existed before houses, so it isn't as if man INVENTED fire. Man DID invent nuclear power. However,to really address your statement as far as the intent that I was conveying, the real argument that you should be making is: Humans should have stopped making houses out of wood or other flammable materials after the first one burned down. That I would agree with. Stone, rock, steel reinforced concrete, brick, all better choices for building a house, IMO. No termite damage, either. But then, Nuclear energy is at a whole other level from pretty much every other invention made by man, with the exception of genetic engineering, which is potentially even worse, but that does not apply to the disaster in Japan as far as I know.

 

[Darth Madden]

I guess the main argument for now would be not to build anymore.

Ok, now that I can agree with... but I doubt it happens.

 

[pixletwin]

Last time I checked Chernobol is not an inhabital place and if you have a stage 5 meltdown the consequences would be horrific so in that sense my statement is not hyperbole unlike your original one.

Thats a far cry from "destroying everything", no?

 

[pixletwin]

Fire existed before houses, so it isn't as if man INVENTED fire. Man DID invent nuclear power. However,to really address your statement as far as the intent that I was conveying, the real argument that you should be making is: Humans should have stopped making houses out of wood or other flammable materials after the first one burned down. That I would agree with. Stone, rock, steel reinforced concrete, brick, all better choices for building a house, IMO. No termite damage, either. But then, Nuclear energy is at a whole other level from pretty much every other invention made by man, with the exception of genetic engineering, which is potentially even worse, but that does not apply to the disaster in Japan as far as I know.

So you are basically saying "If God had intended Man to fly he would have given him wings"? Sorry but that is quite the stone-age POV.

 

[Shatterer of Dreams]

Thats a far cry from "destroying everything", no?

Well we really don't know, if there is a meltdown big enough who knows how far the cloud would spread, the risk seems to outweigh the benefits if you ask me.

So you are basically saying "If God had intended Man to fly he would have given him wings"? Sorry but that is quite the stone-age POV.

they tampered in god's domain, now they must pay..........

 

[pixletwin]

 

[Shai]

Nuclear is awesome.

 

[Blackthornone]

I'm sure you two can step right up with the natural resources to power those cities once the oh so bad nuclear plants are shut down.

I guess next time we have a gasoline spill or a oil tanker goes up we need to shut down everything that deals with those as well.

Those cities are overpopulated. All areas that involve multi story buildings are overpopulated. Too much population density is ALWAYS a problem, is always preventable, and is always the fault of those who don't have the sense to keep it in their pants, don't have good birth control, or don't understand the realities of there being finite resources on planet earth, and instead of using logic to make their decisions, they follow their emotions, which is damn foolish. It is always stupid to follow emotions at the expense of logic.

Ideas, emotions, and love can all be infinite without any restriction whatsoever, but physical reality is NOT infinite, and the planet's resources aren't unlimited either. People so often make emotionally based decisions and then wrongly expect physical reality to accommodate them. there may have been room for human expansion 600 years ago without thought of restraint, but that was a long time ago, and I think that human beings are still stuck in the expansionist mindset without worry since the beginning of humanity for hundreds of thousands of years or more and somehow are just so habituated to that kind of attitude, much like animal instinct, that they have a difficult time accepting the reality of living in a way that observes that there is no more room.

 

[pixletwin]

Those cities are overpopulated. All areas that involve multi story buildings are overpopulated. Too much population density is ALWAYS a problem, is always preventable, and is always the fault of those who don't have the sense to keep it in their pants, don't have good birth control, or don't understand the realities of there being finite resources on planet earth, and instead of using logic to make their decisions, they follow their emotions, which is damn foolish. It is always stupid to follow emotions at the expense of logic.

Ideas, emotions, and love can all be infinite without any restriction whatsoever, but physical reality is NOT infinite, and the planet's resources aren't unlimited either. People so often make emotionally based decisions and then wrongly expect physical reality to accommodate them. there may have been room for human expansion 600 years ago without thought of restraint, but that was a long time ago, and I think that human beings are still stuck in the expansionist mindset without worry since the beginning of humanity for hundreds of thousands of years or more and somehow are just so habituated to that kind of attitude, much like animal instinct, that they have a difficult time accepting the reality of living in a way that observes that there is no more room.

Still a whole lotta two steppin' there. So what's your solution? Soilent Green?

 

[Kabukiman]

So what's your solution?

https://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html

 

[Kamandi]

Can you remind us just how many people in Japan have died or are dying as a result of fallout from this?

I don't think that question can be answered for several years. There will likely be a small body count from the plant workers that can be counted in the days or weeks to come. Then over the next 5 years we will start to hear stories about terrible birth defects. At some point there will be stories comparing cancer and other ailments to what occurred prior to the radiation.

Ultimately Chernobol will probably be the larger release of radiation, but F ukushima DaiIchi happened near a more concentrated population. I imagine it will have a larger toll over time for that reason.

 

[ProgMatinee]

If the cultures that the west is "friendly" with don't "overpopulate" then thats leaving the door for a lot of other cultures that aren't to do it.

I'll take Japanese overpopulation over most of the others out there overpopulating, thats probably the definition of racism, but thats how I feel.

 

[Shatterer of Dreams]

Still a whole lotta two steppin' there. So what's your solution? Soilent Green?

Well obviously it's forced prayer in school.

 

[pixletwin]

Well obviously it's forced prayer in school.

Yes. Forced prayer would turn anyone off having sex.

Maybe.

I think.

or not.

 

[Blackthornone]

So you are basically saying "If God had intended Man to fly he would have given him wings"? Sorry but that is quite the stone-age POV.

Yes, if God wanted man to fly by mechanical means, he would have given them wings. To me, if you get on a plane, you should be prepared for the possibility of dying, and if you can't handle dying, you have no business getting on a plane, and you are naive if you get on a plane and have no intention of dying. If the trip is worth possibly dying for, only then should you take it, sort of like an astronaut going into space. Astronauts know they can die, but they believe that the experience of going into space is worth the risk.
By the way, in Jesus's time, there were many other miracle workers, but Jesus was eventually found to be the most popular. My point is that some of these miracle workers could levitate hundreds of feet in the air by spiritual means. There was a case of one of these who lost his focus, falling from a great height, and breaking near every bone in his body. Point is that flying is always dangerous, no matter how you do it, and if the thrill is worth it to you, go ahead, but if you die, you have yourself to blame for deciding to get on that plane.

 

[Blackthornone]

Still a whole lotta two steppin' there. So what's your solution? Soilent Green?

One naturally conceived pregnancy for every woman who wants children. Some women won't have children, some will have twins,or more, but overall, that method would reduce the population density anywhere, in a peaceful manner.

 

[pixletwin]

One naturally conceived pregnancy for every woman who wants children. Some women won't have children, some will have twins,or more, but overall, that method would reduce the population density anywhere, in a peaceful manner.

And when are you going to form the police state needed to enforce this?