Jazzinc 1/6 Batman 1989 Batmobile

[Nick D]

It's not me a problem. It is a factually unethical thing to do. No reasonable person on earth thinks its appropriate to treat a test batch product like a final offering.

If you think he should give a final review of a test batch product like its a final release then you fundamentally dont understand what a test batch is. This isn't an opinion.

He has the right to review both, or none at all. It’s his purchase, if you were to ask me my opinion, I’d be pissed that I received two cars with proper issues. I don’t care if Joost fixes the gun covers, what about that paint?

 

[batmanfan23]

He has the right to review both, or none at all. It’s his purchase, if you were to ask me my opinion, I’d be pissed that I received two cars with proper issues. I don’t care if Joost fixes the gun covers, what about that paint?

Not on a test batch. In that scenario there is an agreement between manufacturer and recipient, that we are TESTING production, and if there are issues we will fix the product you received. Everyone involved is assuming during this process there may be issues. Again I have no issue with him reviewing and heavily criticizing a final release though.

 

[Nick D]

Not on a test batch. In that scenario there is an agreement between manufacturer and recipient, that we are TESTING production, and if there are issues we will fix the product you received. Everyone involved is assuming during this process there may be issues. Again I have no issue with him reviewing and heavily criticizing a final release though.

All Joost was “testing” was how it held in shipping, nothing more.

So your response lacks foundation.

He wasn’t testing for issues on their behalf regarding QC, but rather issues on the delivery.

 

[Nick D]

Why do you all believe he was trying to test for QC, he can do that at factory level, not by communicating with people who received said product after the fact.

 

[bman89]

It's not me a problem. It is a factually unethical thing to do. No reasonable person on earth thinks its appropriate to treat a test batch product like a final offering.

If you think he should give a final review of a test batch product like its a final release then you fundamentally dont understand what a test batch is. This isn't an opinion. Its an agreement between manufacturer and recipient, that we are TESTING production, and if there are issues we will fix the product you recieved.

Joost didn’t think it was an unethical thing to do. He ultimately gave his blessing because he didn’t want to give the impression that Jazz was suppressing reviews, which was the right call. It’s right there in his written communications with Mr. Mom. Honestly I don’t know why this is being debated at all and why Mr. Mom is being singled out for a situation he didn’t create. If we can all agree that reviewing a “test batch” is indeed unfair (it was actually referred to as a “review sample” before problems arose) then we need to be consistent with our outrage and call out the YouTubers who first posted reviews, not Mr. Mom who merely added his perspective after the fact…and ultimately had Jazz’s permission to do so.

 

[batmanfan23]

Joost didn’t think it was an unethical thing to do. He ultimately gave his blessing because he didn’t want to give the impression that Jazz was suppressing reviews, which was the right call. It’s right there in his written communications with Mr. Mom. Honestly I don’t know why this is being debated at all and why Mr. Mom is being singled out for a situation he didn’t create. If we can all agree that reviewing a “test batch” is indeed unfair (it was actually referred to as a “review sample” before problems arose) then we need to be consistent with our outrage and call out the YouTubers who first posted reviews, not Mr. Mom who merely added his perspective after the fact…and ultimately had Jazz’s permission to do so.

 

[batmanfan23]

All Joost was “testing” was how it held in shipping, nothing more.

So your response lacks foundation.

He wasn’t testing for issues on their behalf regarding QC, but rather issues on the delivery.

But there were issues that were caught and remedied through this process- so what I'm saying doesn't lack foundation.

 

[Nick D]

Joost didn’t think it was an unethical thing to do. He ultimately gave his blessing because he didn’t want to give the impression that Jazz was suppressing reviews, which was the right call. It’s right there in his written communications with Mr. Mom. Honestly I don’t know why this is being debated at all and why Mr. Mom is being singled out for a situation he didn’t create. If we can all agree that reviewing a “test batch” is indeed unfair (it was actually referred to as a “review sample” before problems arose) then we need to be consistent with our outrage and call out the YouTubers who first posted reviews, not Mr. Mom who merely added his perspective after the fact…and ultimately had Jazz’s permission to do so.

Because Mr Mom didn’t praise him at the altar, bringing issues to the forefront instead in both reviews as one should if they’re to be taken seriously.

When I stated my issues with InArt from the beginning when I saw production photos of the InArt Ledger in summer 2022, I was ridiculed beyond belief.
The issues were there, it just took a while for people to see them. Some still don’t and defend beyond belief. That’s their problem.

 

[batmanfan23]

Because Mr Mom didn’t praise him at the altar, bringing issues to the forefront instead in both reviews as one should if they’re to be taken seriously.

When I stated my issues with InArt from the beginning when I saw production photos of the InArt Ledger in summer 2023, I was ridiculed beyond belief.
The issues were there, it just took a while for people to see them. Some still don’t and defend beyond belief. That’s their problem.

You are disregarding what a test batch means in every single thing you are saying. Joost was never asking for people to withhold reviews from a final release, only a test batch.

 

[Nick D]

But there were issues that were caught and remedied through this process- so what I'm saying doesn't lack foundation.

They were “remedied” in a lackluster, lazy way.

Look at how the canopy flops, look at what supports the guns, pathetic for a company that has the audacity to charge $1,800 USD per vehicle.

They didn’t do **** about the orange peel paint, you’re getting a botched paintjob whether you like it or not.


If you’re JazzInc and you’re worried about word of mouth, you send out top product, test batch or not, end of discussion.

 

[batmanfan23]

They were “remedied” in a lackluster, lazy way

Look at how the canopy flops, look at what supports the guns, pathetic for a company that has the audacity to charge $1,800 USD. They didn’t do **** about the orange peel paint, you’re getting a botched paintjob whether you like it or not.

Wether they were remedied or not is irrelevant at the time of receiving an initial test batch. When final products are released and changes were not done adequately then you can openly criticize. This is the understood contract and purpose of a test batch.

 

[Nick D]

Wether they were remedied or not is irrelevant at the time of receiving an initial test batch. When final products are released and changes were not done adequately then you can openly criticize. This is the understood contract and purpose of a test batch.

No contact signed, you can blame JazzInc if you’re that upset they didn’t implement one.

Again, once you send your product out, it’s solely up to the product itself to speak for itself, if it can’t, you, JazzInc, are to blame.

End of story.

 

[bman89]

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You are disregarding what a test batch means in every single thing you are saying. Joost was never asking for people to withhold reviews from a final release, only a test batch.

And two days later Joost gave his permission because of suspicion brought on by the actions of *other YouTubers*.

I understand your perspective and frustration but respectfully I don’t think you have a full understanding of the timeline and that your anger is misdirected. Ultimately it’s Jazz who botched the rollout of the test batch and to their credit they owned up to it in a Facebook post. I doubt they’ll be sending any more “tests” to YouTubers.

 

[batmanfan23]

No contact signed, you can blame JazzInc if you’re that upset they didn’t implement one.

Again, once you send your product out, it’s solely up to the product itself to speak for itself, if it can’t, you, JazzInc, are to blame.

End of story.

You are telling me what you think. I am telling you what is.

I get it. Some people think its ok to talk on speaker phone at the movie theater while everyone else understands that it is not ok and the people who run the movie theater tell you not to do it.

 

[batmanfan23]

And two days later Joost gave his permission because of suspicion brought on by the actions of *other YouTubers*.

I understand your perspective and frustration but respectfully I don’t think you have a full understanding of the timeline and that your anger is misdirected. Ultimately it’s Jazz who botched the rollout of the test batch and to their credit they owned up to it in a Facebook post. I doubt they’ll be sending any more “tests” to YouTubers.

I honestly don't think you understand what a test batch is. The things done well on a test batch can be praised- because they have already been ironed out at the factory. The problem areas are not to be openly criticized but instead discussed privately with the manufacturer because the social contract and purpose is that they are actively using this batch to identify the problem areas to remedy. That is why you dont criticize the issues but can praise the things done right in a test batch. That is how they factually work.

 

[bman89]

I honestly don't think you understand what a test batch is. The things done well on a test batch can be praised- because they have already been ironed out at the factory. The problem areas are not to be openly criticized but instead discussed privately with the manufacturer because the social contract and purpose is that they are actively using this batch to identify the problem areas to remedy. That is why you dont criticize the issues but can praise the things done right in a test batch. That is how they factually work.

I believe a “test batch” shouldn’t be reviewed at all. The point I’m making is Mr. Mom wasn’t the first to do so and he ultimately received permission. Those details matter significantly IMO.

On a more positive note, there are several things about the Jazz 89 I really do like, such as the bolts on the gun covers and lettering on the tires. While I’m disappointed with some of the execution, there’s no denying Jazz has raised the bar when it comes to attention to detail. And they deserve credit for it.

 

[dondiegomasked]

Woo-hoo! Just got the shipping notification for my first ‘89 Batmobile and expect notice for the second one shortly.

I watched all the vids, read all the comments and am still amazed at all the vitriol being sprayed around in here. Chill out people. Where are the moderators?

I know I’m not alone in being excited to get this car. Nobody who is gives a hoot about what any of the cry babies are ranting about.

Thank you again, Joost, for making this dream come true. I can’t wait!

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