Justice League Movie (Nov 17th, 2017)

[chewblacca]

The movie made almost 100 million with decent audience reviews. It will make some money. Especially if it lingers around for a while.

 

[a-dev]

@ EVILFACE's response

Let me fix that for you.

 

[Khev]

I agree that this movie was a mess. I also found it to be pretty harmless and agree with JAWS' "Saturday morning cartoon" assessment. Parts of it I liked, parts of it made me laugh out loud (and I don't mean the "comedy.")

You weren't kidding about them literally repeating the prologue from FOTR. I mean they actually dressed up the Amazons, Atlanteans, and humans as elves, dwarves, and men while Diana gave the exact same narration as Galadriel. Did they think we wouldn't notice? Bizarre.

And speaking of LOTR that entire chase sequence with the Amazon queen and Steppenwolf was "Radagast and the bunnies" bad. What compelled them to do a horse chase across a vast countryside entirely in green screen? Man if you want a good laugh I dare you to watch Arwen fleeing the Ringwraiths immediately before watching the Queen fleeing Steppenwolf.

I see a lot of people questioning Superman's behavior immediately after being resurrected. I just took it as him not being himself. The end. Memories of his life seemed to be coming back to him piecemeal with the strongest emotions (and not necessarily the most pleasant ones) coming back first. WW's "You're Kal El, you're Kal El!" seemed to be the film's way of suggesting that she figured that out and was trying to remind him of who he was.

The whole process of bringing him back seemed pretty unnatural and "Pet Sematary-ish" in more ways than one (hell they literally brought him back to life with the "monster resurrection chamber") so I was fine with it.

Yeah, him noticing Flash running and Flash's reactionary horror was great. Loved that moment.

I didn't think that Batman was lame because he was literally surrounded by super-powered beings who were complete ***holes to him the whole movie! I thought he took it all in stride all things considered.

Diana gives him a full on super punch to his unarmored chest because he brought up Trevor? What the hell Wonder Woman. And Bruce just sucked it up. Then right after Bruce gives Flash what he's always wanted (actual friends) Barry immediately turns on him and says "yeah I agree that Diana should pretty much murder you for bringing up her dead boyfriend from a hundred years ago."

Superman was a **** to him *twice.* I get the "do you bleed" thing because Supes was still in Hulk mode but why be a **** to Bruce at the end? "I know you didn't bring me back because you like me since you're an ass who hates and fears all good heroes like me." Obviously that bothered Bruce but Clark didn't care, hell he wouldn't even look Bruce in the eye when he said that, he just blew him off and went about his business.

I never really "bought" Superman's new happy go lucky demeanor. The way he came back to life and then the comment he made to Bruce almost made me feel like he was a plotting villain like Bane or some mobster who will come up, put their arm around you, get you to lower your guard and then blow (or rip) your head off.

Watching him roll around on the ground laughing hysterically at Cyborg's jokes like the two were lifelong Riggs and Murtaugh buddies was weird.

Whedon's scenes were pretty much obvious and all crap.

Steppenwolf seemingly had no motivation at all. No grudge against mankind, no benefit from taking over a world, he just apparently shows up to attack planets every once in a while because he has nothing better to do. His demise was straight out of Wreck-it Ralph and I have to say Ralph did it a lot better.

Aquaman, eh. I can't see myself watching two hours of just him auditioning for Coors light commercials after seeing him in this film.

I liked that WW was in costume for almost all of her scenes.

I loved Batman's opening scenes and thought his vehicles were cool. Parademons looked cool but yes like everyone says, very derivative, never seemed to be much of a threat and were all dispatched too easily.

For people who wanted this to be a LOTR or SW OT/RO quality film I can understand the huge disappointment. I guess I'm fine with it just being a Sunday afternoon (or Saturday morning) background movie with a bunch of characters that are fun to see in scenes that either look pretty cool or are laughably bad (in a non-infuriating way, for me at least.)

 

[Khev]

Oh look, my post got bumped to the next page, totally ruining the joke.

Classic a-dev, lol. Seriously though Flash running has got to be one of the dumbest things I've seen on the big screen in quite some time.

 

[jye4ever]

a-dev is the Irish Charlie O’Brown

 

[Khev]

 

[a-dev]

Classic a-dev, lol. Seriously though Flash running has got to be one of the dumbest things I've seen on the big screen in quite some time.

a-dev is the Irish Charlie O’Brown

I googled Charlie Brown and yep, sounds about right. Your insight serves you well!

Seriously though the lizard run GIF comparison to JL Flash was funny, I just had to finish out the pattern we had going. I'm sure you understand.

 

[jye4ever]

I agree that this movie was a mess. I also found it to be pretty harmless and agree with JAWS' "Saturday morning cartoon" assessment. Parts of it I liked, parts of it made me laugh out loud (and I don't mean the "comedy.")

You weren't kidding about them literally repeating the prologue from FOTR. I mean they actually dressed up the Amazons, Atlanteans, and humans as elves, dwarves, and men while Diana gave the exact same narration as Galadriel. Did they think we wouldn't notice? Bizarre.

And speaking of LOTR that entire chase sequence with the Amazon queen and Steppenwolf was "Radagast and the bunnies" bad. What compelled them to do a horse chase across a vast countryside entirely in green screen? Man if you want a good laugh I dare you to watch Arwen fleeing the Ringwraiths immediately before watching the Queen fleeing Steppenwolf.

I see a lot of people questioning Superman's behavior immediately after being resurrected. I just took it as him not being himself. The end. Memories of his life seemed to be coming back to him piecemeal with the strongest emotions (and not necessarily the most pleasant ones) coming back first. WW's "You're Kal El, you're Kal El!" seemed to be the film's way of suggesting that she figured that out and was trying to remind him of who he was.

The whole process of bringing him back seemed pretty unnatural and "Pet Sematary-ish" in more ways than one (hell they literally brought him back to life with the "monster resurrection chamber") so I was fine with it.

Yeah, him noticing Flash running and Flash's reactionary horror was great. Loved that moment.

I didn't think that Batman was lame because he was literally surrounded by super-powered beings who were complete ***holes to him the whole movie! I thought he took it all in stride all things considered.

Diana gives him a full on super punch to his unarmored chest because he brought up Trevor? What the hell Wonder Woman. And Bruce just sucked it up. Then right after Bruce gives Flash what he's always wanted (actual friends) Barry immediately turns on him and says "yeah I agree that Diana should pretty much murder you for bringing up her dead boyfriend from a hundred years ago."

Superman was a **** to him *twice.* I get the "do you bleed" thing because Supes was still in Hulk mode but why be a **** to Bruce at the end? "I know you didn't bring me back because you like me since you're an ass who hates and fears all good heroes like me." Obviously that bothered Bruce but Clark didn't care, hell he wouldn't even look Bruce in the eye when he said that, he just blew him off and went about his business.

I never really "bought" Superman's new happy go lucky demeanor. The way he came back to life and then the comment he made to Bruce almost made me feel like he was a plotting villain like Bane or some mobster who will come up, put their arm around you, get you to lower your guard and then blow (or rip) your head off.

Watching him roll around on the ground laughing hysterically at Cyborg's jokes like the two were lifelong Riggs and Murtaugh buddies was weird.

Whedon's scenes were pretty much obvious and all crap.

Steppenwolf seemingly had no motivation at all. No grudge against mankind, no benefit from taking over a world, he just apparently shows up to attack planets every once in a while because he has nothing better to do. His demise was straight out of Wreck-it Ralph and I have to say Ralph did it a lot better.

Aquaman, eh. I can't see myself watching two hours of just him auditioning for Coors light commercials after seeing him in this film.

I liked that WW was in costume for almost all of her scenes.

I loved Batman's opening scenes and thought his vehicles were cool. Parademons looked cool but yes like everyone says, very derivative, never seemed to be much of a threat and were all dispatched too easily.

For people who wanted this to be a LOTR or SW OT/RO quality film I can understand the huge disappointment. I guess I'm fine with it just being a Sunday afternoon (or Saturday morning) background movie with a bunch of characters that are fun to see in scenes that either look pretty cool or are laughably bad (in a non-infuriating way, for me at least.)

Omg i’m crying over your horse line so true lol

I actually no longer remember that 2nd Kal jerk line to Batman there’s my excuse for a 2nd viewing thank you lol

I don’t know how accurate this is but I just read that every single Superman scene in this movie is from the Whedon reshoot not one single Snyder Superman shot made it into the movie. Ummmm wow.

WB should’ve delayed this movie until March 2018 then fixed the rushed plot and character development with extra run time and fixed the visuals.

 

[Sassafras]

The movie made almost 100 million with decent audience reviews. It will make some money. Especially if it lingers around for a while.

It's doin' alright. It's not a bomb. And none of these article factor in home view/license profits.

Kicking off outside of a holiday corridor was certainly a factor, and even if audiences seem to like the movie better than critics, some markets in Europe were quite soft, notably Germany. There’s disappointment in not seeing see this one break $200M, coming in about 16% below Batman V Superman: Dawn Of Justice (which played into 2016’s Easter frame) while this was set up as DC’s answer to Avengers. One distribution exec points to the lack of Superman in the advertising, and notes, “What made BVS appealing was two superheroes squaring off, so this movie just feels like an Avengers B-team.”

*Cough* Just sayin' the thing is, Avengers B-team - if you mean something like Antman - so far IMO are pretty good movies. IRONMAN was a B-team. I'd pay a lot to see more of the MCU B-team...

JL will have some relatively clear play in its demo over the next few weeks until Star Wars: The Last Jedi speeds in, and therefore could be looking at lower drops than the typically frontloaded genre. It will not benefit from the Thanksgiving holiday that’s up this week domestically. JL’s lack of a holiday, which can boost fortunes by as much as 25%, is in direct contrast to BVS’ Easter 2016 international release which was off the charts. The Zack Snyder-directed JL is about 16% below that movie in today’s dollars, but there was hope for a much tighter spread and that hope began to fizzle as the weekend numbers started rolling in from offshore. Japan opens this week.

With a reported production cost of $300M, the total with P&A is around the $450M mark. As my colleague Anthony D’Alessandro points out, if the film clears $700M-$750M global, after ancillaries, it will turn a profit, but not much.

Moving past the doom and gloom, the pic, which has more humor than BVS and saw Joss Whedon come in for Snyder after the director had to step away due to an unfortunate tragedy, scored $13.7M on 765 IMAX screens to rank as the format’s best-ever November opening overseas. In China, that numbers was $6.15M on 453 to land the 2nd best November FSS after Doctor Strange.

The superheroes are the No. 1 U.S. film in each of their bows and saw particularly strong play in Asia and Latin America. Brazil set a record for the biggest opening weekend ever for any movie at $14.2M (46.6M reals). DC superheroes generally over-index in Latin America and this weekend the Justice League gang recruit $35.4M in the region to land the 3rd highest opening session for a WB film behind BVS and the last Harry Potter movie.

https://deadline.com/2017/11/justice-league-thor-ragnarok-coco-paddington-weekend-results-international-box-office-1202211796/

 

[Underworld54]

It actually came in at $94M for the weekend. A utter total disaster.

 

[moose]

Well considering that this movie was written before the backlash at BvS I am not surprised there is some residual hate towards it, that and the fact the director was not able to execute this vision was always going to be mean that movie was not going to be his best work. h

However the one thing I think this movie managed to do and to do successfully is wet peoples appetite for more DC movies. If people main complain was the sub par villain or the terrible CGI that on certain characters then that is fixable. but the one thing that most people are praising are the actual characters people now want more time with each of these characters in their own solo movies. so I expect there to an acceleration towards making more solo movies before the next JL movie.

We got 6 outings of Captain America and we have 2 more coming. so how can we only still have 3 showings of Superman and he is the grand daddy of all super heroes. One thing DC properties have is the Branding there is an appetite to see more of these characters. and they need to capitalize on it.

 

[Matt S]

It actually came in at $94M for the weekend. A utter total disaster.

There goes any hope for the big flash movie.......the movie **** the bed. Wonder Woman 2 is a given. the rest, notsomuch

 

[YoNoSe]

We got 6 outings of Captain America and we have 2 more coming. so how can we only still have 3 showings of Superman and he is the grand daddy of all super heroes.

I think the key is we've had 6 outings of Cap portraying a relatively comic-accurate Cap and comic fans and general audiences responded. We've had 2.5 movies of Superman being an angsty teen crybaby with a few moments of heroics. And if Snikt is to be believed (and we know his buddy Drop Dead Fred is in the industry watching dailies) then Snyder's vision would have been another complete movie of anti-superman, followed by - possibly - a redemption in JL 2.

So while I can respect Snyder fans longing for his complete vision - I don't see a shred of evidence that Snyder's vision was, being generous, appealing to the general public and speaking from my gut - it's just not what Superman comic fans wanted to see in their hero. Certainly not for this long.

 

[rushmore223]

The movie made almost 100 million with decent audience reviews. It will make some money. Especially if it lingers around for a while.

$94 million for Thor would be underperforming, $94 million for Avengers would be a catastrophe. This is DC's Avengers.

They really need a major shake up at the studio, because QC doesn't seem to be a concern over there.

 

[jye4ever]

BvS 166
JL 94 with a reported 300 + million budget plus marketing

Definition of failure can not be anymore clearer than that what an insane drop.

If you are a hedge fund venture capitalists that invested in JL there are no words of sympathy that will stop you from going Punisher on WB executives, producers and artist.

I’m talking about this being the end of the line on producer Charles Roven Atlas Group corporation. How the hell do you recover from those kinds of loses.

 

[YoNoSe]

This can't be a surprise to them. You don't abandon your original plan and rearrange your whole movie unless you know you're in deep ****. People didn't like BvS and I'd guess the internal reaction to JL was terrifying.
Wonder Woman shows that fans are willing to support elements they like so I'd expect Flash to still get his solo movie, Aquadude is already a go, WW 2 will happen for sure, and hopefully Affleck will deflate for the Batman solo movie.

 

[rushmore223]

BvS 166
JL 94 with a reported 300 + million budget plus marketing

Definition of failure can not be anymore clearer than that what an insane drop.

If you are a hedge fund venture capitalists that invested in JL there are no words of sympathy that will stop you from going Punisher on WB executives, producers and artist.

I’m talking about this being the end of the line on producer Charles Roven Atlas Group corporation. How the hell do you recover from those kinds of loses.

And BVS' opening was considered bombing.

This is a unrecoverable downward spiral, if they want to continue with these movies, they better have some Deep pockets.

 

[Thomascrown17]

This below numbers show you exactly how interest just fizzled after BvS.






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[Thomascrown17]

And BVS' opening was considered bombing.

This is a unrecoverable downward spiral, if they want to continue with these movies, they better have some Deep pockets.

Bvs didnt bomb with that opening. It made money. It just really underperformed by the end of its run

JL BOMBED. And this weekend COCO will throw more bombs on it lol


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[crows]

BvS 166
JL 94 with a reported 300 + million budget plus marketing

Definition of failure can not be anymore clearer than that what an insane drop.

If you are a hedge fund venture capitalists that invested in JL there are no words of sympathy that will stop you from going Punisher on WB executives, producers and artist.

I’m talking about this being the end of the line on producer Charles Roven Atlas Group corporation. How the hell do you recover from those kinds of loses.

well, the list for atlas group movies is pretty terrible regardless of justice league

1995 - Angus
1995 - 12 Monkeys
1996 - The Hamster Factor and Other Tales of Twelve Monkeys
1998 - Fallen
1998 - City of Angels
1999 - Three Kings
2002 - Rollerball
2002 - Scooby-Doo
2004 - The Sex Side of Low Budget Films
2005 - The Brothers Grimm
2006 - Idlewild
2007 - Live!
2008 - The Bank Job
2008 - Get Smart
2009 - The International
2010 - The Reef
2010 - Scooby-Doo! Curse of the Lake Monster
2011 - Season of the Witch
2013 - American Hustle
2015 - The Scoop
2016 - The Great Wall
2016 - Warcraft
2016 - Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
2016 - Suicide Squad
2016 - The Whole Truth
2017 - Wonder Woman
2017 - Let There Be Light
2017 - Justice League
2020 - Scooby