JUSTICE LEAGUE movie

[DiFabio]

I'd just be happy to see Bale back as Batman/Bruce Wayne. I really don't care about the Nolan bros and Goyer's involvement though.

I feel the same way SnakeDoctor does. It'd be cool seeing Bruce Wayne's reaction to this new, super element in the world. Maybe seeing Superman would inspire him to go back out because he doesn't trust anyone that is that powerful. There's a great story to be had there.

That's what happened in the animated series. With BTAS, Batman is the first superhero/hero. Superman comes later on. Then we get Superman: The Animated Series, Batman: The New Adventures and the Justice League.

 

[spindrift]

If Nolan is producing/writing it's a lock Bale will be back...get used to the idea.
I think it will be stellar to have someone like him mixing with Cavill and I'm sure unorthodox casting by Nolan...

 

[TheObsoleteMan]

Why don't they just turn over control of the studio to that guy, and cut out the middleman. They appear to be incapable of making a move without him.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

I think WB should go full out on a JLA film and not do the building up stuff.

Imo that hurt tha avengers film. They relied on the previous films for characterisation and storytelling. Not to mention that with every character being seen on film before there was no "first time seeing them" on-screen excitement, not even the villain.

Introducing the characters in the film, provides the excitement of seeing them for the first time and will require them to tell a good story without the option of falling back on whats been done before as there won't have been a 'before'.

 

[batfan08]

Why don't they just turn over control of the studio to that guy, and cut out the middleman. They appear to be incapable of making a move without him.

It's "how to succeed in business without trying 101." That guy has brought them what is arguably one of the most successful superhero franchises in history, or, at least, in the history of their studio. It makes perfect sense that they would want him to usher in even more franchises, and, especially now. If you have a director with a franchise under his belt that has been a proven success, and you're WB, you really have no other options.

They tried a different approach, and, apparently, the script was so ****ty they were forced to start from scratch. As has been mentioned before, the competition isn't waiting around; Disney has two major franchises on the horizon, and, if going back to Nolan means getting back in on the action, you better believe they're going to do it.

 

[jye4ever]

I think WB should go full out on a JLA film and not do the building up stuff.

Imo that hurt tha avengers film. They relied on the previous films for characterisation and storytelling. Not to mention that with every character being seen on film before there was no "first time seeing them" on-screen excitement, not even the villain.

Introducing the characters in the film, provides the excitement of seeing them for the first time and will require them to tell a good story without the option of falling back on whats been done before as there won't have been a 'before'.

If the studios weren't obsessed with origin stories your theory would work.

 

[batfan08]

If this is the course of things to come, then this is the version I like. However, I am strongly against Bale Batman being involved in JL. I love the idea of Nolan being involved, but more of a "quality control" like figure and ideas man, with Goyer and his brother to help and Snyder to direct. But I just don't get why WB can't wait to relaunch a new version of Batman who plays with Man-Bat, Killer Crock and Mr. Freeze and let that version of Batman be in the JL. Let the Bale Batman rest and let that trilogy rest as a shining example of how to do a proper comic book trilogy. Just establish a new Batman, let this new version of Superman stand (from the looks of it, Supes looks amazing) and throw in the rest because Batman and Superman are the 2 main characters that have to be established before a JL movie.

And as much as I liked JGL as the new Batman, Bruce Wayne is the only man capable of being held in the same league as these super powered gods.

It would also seem that bringing Bale Batman back into action takes away from the ending of TDKR, which I happened to love. I don't know, if Bale Batman is coming back for this, I can't believe Nolan would allow it. Money talks I guess.

That takes time, though, and that is a commodity that they are sorely lacking. If this is a bunch of Greyhounds running, Marvel and DC were off to a pretty even start, but Marvel gained a lead with The Avengers, and DC's dog laid down in the middle of the track to take a rest, as their Batman franchise is pretty much over (for now, at least). They're saying 10 "Hail Mary"s as we speak; hoping that Superman is a second wind to at least keep their dog in the race. By the time we see this movie, The Avengers will probably be almost half a decade old, and the sequel will have already been out for at least a year. By building off of two pre-existing franchises, WB doesn't have to go back to square one.

Also, as for the idea of a Batman who can have some more fantastical villains in his rogues gallery; if this rumor proves true, I see no reason why those villains couldn't appear opposite Bale's Batman. After all, he's now fighting alongside aliens and demigods.

 

[KneelBeforrSmallville]

What this tells me is that Warners is starting to believe in Man of Steel enough to really pour some resources into the Justice League flick a little early. I mean to me this is great news, Unless i despise Man of Steel when i see it, i think Nolans godfathering is a good thing.

my only concerns are

I know age isnt important but i always liked batman and superman to be kind of similar in age. Cavilles Clark Kent is going to be a young man, and Batmans kind of old after TDKR, it could make some cool dynamics but time will tell

So are we to assume the Nolan batverse is the same universe as Snyders MAN OF STEEL?

nothing some top notch writing can explain, im interested to hear.

 

[Buttmunch]

That takes time, though, and that is a commodity that they are sorely lacking. If this is a bunch of Greyhounds running, Marvel and DC were off to a pretty even start, but Marvel gained a lead with The Avengers, and DC's dog laid down in the middle of the track to take a rest, as their Batman franchise is pretty much over (for now, at least). They're saying 10 "Hail Mary"s as we speak; hoping that Superman is a second wind to at least keep their dog in the race. By the time we see this movie, The Avengers will probably be almost half a decade old, and the sequel will have already been out for at least a year. By building off of two pre-existing franchises, WB doesn't have to go back to square one.

Also, as for the idea of a Batman who can have some more fantastical villains in his rogues gallery; if this rumor proves true, I see no reason why those villains couldn't appear opposite Bale's Batman. After all, he's now fighting alongside aliens and demigods.

Not even close. DC is still stretching at the starting line. 1 film franchise doesn't even put them in the race. MoS will be their entry into the race and determine if they are just behind or DOA.

 

[batfan08]

Yeah, I guess you're right. They would've been at about the same point with Batman and Iron Man.

 

[SnakeDoctor]

I think WB should go full out on a JLA film and not do the building up stuff.

Imo that hurt tha avengers film. They relied on the previous films for characterisation and storytelling. Not to mention that with every character being seen on film before there was no "first time seeing them" on-screen excitement, not even the villain.

Introducing the characters in the film, provides the excitement of seeing them for the first time and will require them to tell a good story without the option of falling back on whats been done before as there won't have been a 'before'.

DC is a different animal than Marvel. What worked for Marvel with the Avengers won't work for DC. Marvel has a couple of big names -- Spider-man, X-Men, Cap -- and a bunch of medium-level ones. Some of the medium ones can carry their own movie without the team-up ... Thor, Hulk, Iron Man, etc.

DC has two gigantic names -- Batman and Superman, bigger names than any at Marvel -- and a whole bunch of very minor ones. Batman and Superman need their own franchises before JL. The rest need to be introduced in JL before they have their own movies ... do Aquaman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Lantern, etc. as spinoffs of JL, if at all, not the other way around.

SnakeDoc

 

[a-dev]

I think WB should go full out on a JLA film and not do the building up stuff.

Imo that hurt tha avengers film. They relied on the previous films for characterisation and storytelling. Not to mention that with every character being seen on film before there was no "first time seeing them" on-screen excitement, not even the villain.

Introducing the characters in the film, provides the excitement of seeing them for the first time and will require them to tell a good story without the option of falling back on whats been done before as there won't have been a 'before'.

Gotta disagree. I don't think the individual films hurt Avengers at all, either in terms of the quality of the film and my enjoyment of it or, obviously, financially. In fact I think I found myself more excited seeing each hero make his first appearance because of the individual films.

Also, as for the idea of a Batman who can have some more fantastical villains in his rogues gallery; if this rumor proves true, I see no reason why those villains couldn't appear opposite Bale's Batman. After all, he's now fighting alongside aliens and demigods.

Hmmm. This paragraph has almost singlehandedly put me off the idea of Bales Batman being mixed with the rest of the DC-verse. I can't see Manbat, Killer Croc and Mr Freeze being in the same film as Bale's Batman and they are part of Batman's own rogues gallery...so its hard to think of Superman, Wonder Woman and Green Lantern.....nah....just nah.

I would be very surprised if they pressed ahead with it, made the film...and it all seemed to fit just fine, with even the existing Bale trilogy retroactively feeling like it could now be part of the grander DC universe as a result.

 

[batfan08]

DC is a different animal than Marvel. What worked for Marvel with the Avengers won't work for DC. Marvel has a couple of big names -- Spider-man, X-Men, Cap -- and a bunch of medium-level ones. Some of the medium ones can carry their own movie without the team-up ... Thor, Hulk, Iron Man, etc.

DC has two gigantic names -- Batman and Superman, bigger names than any at Marvel -- and a whole bunch of very minor ones. Batman and Superman need their own franchises before JL. The rest need to be introduced in JL before they have their own movies ... do Aquaman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Lantern, etc. as spinoffs of JL, if at all, not the other way around.

SnakeDoc

I 100 % agree that they should be introduced in Justice League. However, I disagree with your assessment of the characters. They say that any publicity is good publicity, and, in that regard, I think that Aquaman has an advantage. The view of the character as a joke goes all the way into the mainstream. Hell, they even parodied him on Spongebob. Therefore, the challenge with Arthur lies not in getting people to know who he is, but in getting people to see the true potential of the character, as well as getting them to care about him.

The Flash is no more minor than Iron Man; in fact, I feel that Iron Man was even more minor than The Flash prior to RDJ and the MCU. I strongly believe that, if you walked into a supermarket in 2004, you'd more than likely get more "he's the guy who runs fast in that cartoon my kid watches" than "he's that superhero with a suit of armor and an artificial heart from that Marvel comic."

Green Lantern, going back to the Aquaman thing is a minor character, but you don't need to worry about the general public knowing who he is for one reason: he had a movie. It doesn't matter if it ties in with the new film or not, but the point is that now people recognize him.

Wonder Woman is nowhere near a minor character. There's a reason that they call it the holy trinity and not the holy twosome. I'd say that, in terms of name recognition alone, she blows all of those Marvel characters out of the water with the exceptions of Hulk and Spidey (pre-Avengers). Now, people know about the others because they're fresh in their minds from the Avengers, but I'd bet she's still on the level with Thor. "He's the dude with the hammer/she's the chick with the lasso."

That being said, regardless of our beliefs on the characters, we can definitely agree with the method in which they should be introduced.

 

[jye4ever]

I would like to say that a person has been living under a rock all their life if they don't know who WW is, but my 11 year old nephew didn't know who she was, then he asked for Prequel Trology toys for his birthday.

 

[batfan08]

I would like to say that a person has been living under a rock all their life if they don't know who WW is, but my 11 year old nephew didn't know who she was, then he asked for Prequel Trology toys for his birthday.

I hope you told him no.

 

[batfan08]

...with the possible exception of Darth Maul, or a Jar Jar Binks or two as kindling for the fireplace around the holidays.

 

[Buttmunch]

They shouldn't introduce anyone in Justice League. They need their own films first. The whole point of the Justice League and Avengers is for these very capable of handling problems on their own heroes to team up for a threat they can't handle on their own. The audiences need to know what a character is capable of on their own to fully appreciate them teaming up. They didn't start with Justice League and then give each hero their own comic, it was the other way around and so should the films. DC is just getting greedy looking at how well the Avengers did and they want that money now without the build up that made the Avengers successful in the first place. It won't work. Even with Bale.

 

[SnakeDoctor]

She's not minor because of lack of name recognition ... she's minor because I seriously doubt she can carry a movie on her own. Known and popular aren't the same thing.

SnakeDoc

 

[batfan08]

They shouldn't introduce anyone in Justice League. They need their own films first. The whole point of the Justice League and Avengers is for these very capable of handling problems on their own heroes to team up for a threat they can't handle on their own. The audiences need to know what a character is capable of on their own to fully appreciate them teaming up. They didn't start with Justice League and then give each hero their own comic, it was the other way around and so should the films. DC is just getting greedy looking at how well the Avengers did and they want that money now without the build up that made the Avengers successful in the first place. It won't work. Even with Bale.

Nope, they need to be introduced in the film. Otherwise, the film will never happen. Wonder Woman and The Flash, for example, have been in development hell for years, and a JL movie could be just the springboard needed for those solo projects to get off the ground.

 

[batfan08]

She's not minor because of lack of name recognition ... she's minor because I seriously doubt she can carry a movie on her own. Known and popular aren't the same thing.

SnakeDoc

If Thor can carry a film, so, too, can Wonder Woman.