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Taken out of its provisonal context, nearly anything aside from breathing is going to land you in trouble if taken to an extreme.

Where in reality do things exist outside of their context?

There is a sense of balance in the term that is missing from your definition. Making your bed is good. Making your bed 15 times a day is a problem.

It doesn't become a bad thing because your bed making has gone to an extreme. The activity has actually been detached from the context in which it has purpose if you do it 15 times a day. It's conceivable that a bed could need to be made that many times (albeit unlikely) and that would still be extreme, but in and of itself, not a problem.

If you let something occupy a part of your life at the expense of other good things, it is no longer "good".

Context is everything, and it's not possible to keep things in context by employing arbitrary parameters of behavior.

I think Nam was referring to prioritizing

Which is not the same as moderation.

which kids need to get from their parents.

It helps to be taught, but it's not like it cannot be learned without guidance.

If they see that family interaction and impulse control are less important than mere entertainment and instant gratification, the long term prognosis on their contribution to society is less than hopeful.

I would not judge any action according to so specious a standard as usefulness to society. I realize that's not your main point, but it is often the root of the attraction to the moderation approach to morality. People think there needs to be a balance struck between the needs of the one and the needs of the many. Egalitarianism is the end of that train of thought, and that does the individual nor the society a damn bit of good.

What is arbitrary about appropriate use of electronics at a family gathering in a public place?

It is arbitrary to categorize the problem as an extreme. Would reducing the quantity of rudeness change the nature of the behavior?

You either agree with his moral judgement or you don't, but it starts to look like a strawman at best or condescending at worst when you begin to say moderation only works for people too irrational to properly appraise what is truly good or bad. I'm not sure what you expect when you essentially call someone else stupid (unless of course moderation only works "moderately" well for the "discerning" lol).

I'm challenging his entire approach to morality, yes. And I consider it a rotten approach to discerning right and wrong. Did that come across clearly? Good.

Here's an example. Some people thing totalitarianism is good. Some people think freedom is good. Some people can't make up their minds, and decide that living half controlled and half free is the best, i.e. moderate, approach. Historically, such systems are inherently unstable and the mean gradually moves toward greater and greater controls. Given the latitude to reach its logical conclusion, one ends up with a society that is fully controlled and often justified in the name of some ridiculously warped concept of freedom (freedom from corporations, the rich, global banking conspiracies, etc.).

Had the initial thought process managed to understand that freedom is a survival need of human beings, the notion of compromise with the opposite principle would have never entered the equation. The mere suggestion that 'balancing' freedom with not-freedom would be rejected out of hand as nonsense. Anyone who understood the principle would see that it is one or the other. Morality is binary. Grey areas exist by intellectual default.

So no, it's not a straw man (though it may be condescending---a thousand apologies, I don't know how else to tell someone they're wrong, particularly someone who lives and breathes condescension). Either someone understands, or they don't. If they don't, moderation is a way to give themselves a sense of moral satisfaction while lacking the necessary moral ground they need to stand. It's understandable, I guess. Morality is the heart of human motivation, and it's essentially impossible to live without. That doesn't, however, exempt it from the contempt it deserves. It's a form of fraud and I don't think anyone should have to endure being lectured for the sake of the scold's need to maintain their own internal facades.
 
Ether way man must be eventually controlled...non control works ok for some in the short term I think...but in the end barriers must be set...Man tests and likes to push the buttons leading to things going too far eventually...That's all I gotta say about that
 
Ether way man must be eventually controlled...non control works ok for some in the short term I think...but in the end barriers must be set...Man tests and likes to push the buttons leading to things going too far eventually...That's all I gotta say about that

Sadly I think a lot of people are subscribing to this belief. Very sad. In fact it down right pisses me off.
 
Sadly I think a lot of people are subscribing to this belief. Very sad. In fact it down right pisses me off.

I think what he's trying to say is, you need rules and regulation in society, or else all hell breaks loose. i.e. the fat cats in wall street. You let them loose with no regulation, they'll bring down this whole dam economy. Greed is powerful, and it corrupts. You leave it unchecked, with no boundaries, it can be very dangerous.
 
I reckon you can have a balance.
My 2 year old is already very interested in the pc and tv and can switch channels and do a few basic things on the pc besides looking at the infa red mouse and saying reeeeeeedddd!!!
I think it is inevitable he'll want game consoles and we do have a 360, but it rarely gets used and he's not that interested yet, as his hands are too small.
He loves toys and has a few (hundred), which he plays with regularly and he has interest in my figures, so I think it all depends if you interact with your kid, or just leave them to the babysitter (tv/console).
Maybe I'm wrong and when he hits his teens, he'll turn into a vegatable, grunting ocaasionally between texts or whatever the equivalent will be.
 
I think what he's trying to say is, you need rules and regulation in society, or else all hell breaks loose. i.e. the fat cats in wall street. You let them loose with no regulation, they'll bring down this whole dam economy. Greed is powerful, and it corrupts. You leave it unchecked, with no boundaries, it can be very dangerous.

If that's what he's saying, he's wrong.

Is that what you're saying too?

Sadly I think a lot of people are subscribing to this belief. Very sad. In fact it down right pisses me off.

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If that's what he's saying, he's wrong.

Is that what you're saying too?



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yup. I may not agree with your opinion, but to each his own. By the way, you're wrong in saying he's wrong. :wink1:
 
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Sadly I think a lot of people are subscribing to this belief. Very sad. In fact it down right pisses me off.

Then do something about it. That's society's biggest problem. Lots of people are sick of lots of things and like to flap their gums about the problems with the world today, fronting at knowing how to fix things and having all the answers, yet are to "comfortable" to take the initiative. They even will make the excuse that one person won't make a difference, yet, beit positive or negative examples, history tells us the exact opposite.
 
I'm a big kid. I like my toys. :D

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Then do something about it. That's society's biggest problem. Lots of people are sick of lots of things and like to flap their gums about the problems with the world today, fronting at knowing how to fix things and having all the answers, yet are to "comfortable" to take the initiative. They even will make the excuse that one person won't make a difference, yet, beit positive or negative examples, history tells us the exact opposite.

I do what I can about it. Most important I start with what I teach my kids. That's two humans that will grow up and not expect things handed to them. If you can think of anything more important than that please with all of your wisdom let me know. :wink1:
 
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I do what I can about it. Most important I start with what I teach my kids. That's two humans that will grow up and expect things handed to them. If you can think of anything more important than that please with all of your wisdom let me know. :wink1:

:exactly::goodpost:

Unfortunately, there's always the, "How come they act like that and I can't." :monkey1 I usually follow it up with, "Well honey, if their parents cared about them, they'd teach them that there's always struggles in life and you don't always get what you want and what you do get, you have to work for. Unfortunately, their parents can't be bothered so they'll have very rough adult lives." :lol
 
This is sad but true, kids no longer want toys, they want cell phones, computers, game consoles, and tablets. My 9 year old nephew got an ipad a nintendo ds, games, and remote contol car along with a bunch of other stuff, but not one action figure.

Oh well it really don't matter really I guess, except going to toys r us, walmart or target these days does refect this trend, toys on the shelfs these days kinda suck. Theres no more 12" gijoes or anything the like, its just ben 10, necas statues, and a few crappy marvel and dc figures. Not very interesting stuff if you ask me:dunno

During the eighty and nineys I would rarely walk out of those store without some kinda cool new gijoe or ultimate soldier, now I poke around once in a while and just walk out.

I'm a really old guy a child of the 60's, a child of the 12" Joes.! During my time as a kid the early toy companies made great toys.Today they are true collectors items.They made big toys back then! Well.., I agree that toys today at retail are pretty crappy! There is not as much interest in them... Changing times
 
It's sad but true. My cousin got an iPod last year for Christmas and she's only 7. When I was 7 I would spend hours playing with my Star Wars figures, not playing on rubbish apps.
 
It's sad but true. My cousin got an iPod last year for Christmas and she's only 7. When I was 7 I would spend hours playing with my Star Wars figures, not playing on rubbish apps.

We gave our daughter an iPod 2 years ago when she was 5, little bugger has used it maybe twice. She does spend hours playing with her My Little Pony figures though :)
 
:lol The thanks I get from her for taking an active interest in her hobbies is being called a Brony
 
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