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LOL. Nice laser beam you're focusing on me. I actually agree in general about government programs, specifically the ones that aim to help individuals do the things that individuals can and should do themselves.
But don't lump all government programs and employees together.
I work in transportation. The money we receive and put to use help entire communities as well as the individual get from point A to point B so they can get to their jobs, transport goods, safely get to hospitals and schools and go shopping.
Is this a service anyone could provide themselves? Do you have the knowledge or time or materials to pave a road between your garage and all the locations you need to get to?
The only other solution to this is to privitize, which is a viable option and my position would be working for a private corp. Instread of taxes my job would be paid for through toll fees. Just cause I work for the government doesn't make my position superfluous.

I didn't say it did. I just wanted it to be clear that your job doesn't require compulsory financing in the form of taxes; that there is no reason why anyone should be forced to pay you for the work you do. Presently, they are, and your life is effectively financed by the same means that welfare is financed. Welfare could just as easily be a service provided by private charity, and it would presumably being doing just as much good as maintaining infrastructure. But it becomes a different monster altogether when people have no choice other than to pay for it.
 
Well I'm going to try to make this my last post. Anything I posted I meant no disrespect towards anyone and is just my opinion. I actually don't have a problem with weed as long as people can handle it. No one will change my opinion though that it is not a gateway drug. Peace.
 
I didn't say it did. I just wanted it to be clear that your job doesn't require compulsory financing in the form of taxes; that there is no reason why anyone should be forced to pay you for the work you do. Presently, they are, and your life is effectively financed by the same means that welfare is financed. Welfare could just as easily be a service provided by private charity, and it would presumably being doing just as much good as maintaining infrastructure. But it becomes a different monster altogether when people have no choice other than to pay for it.

You're wrong. My job is currently funded through (use tax). The only other way to fund my service is through tolling (privatization) which is effectively the same as a use tax.

People not using road services (ie buying gas) don't pay taxes. So those people don't fund my job. You do have a choice to not fund roadways, by riding a bicycle.

People not using schools DO fund schools. People not using mental health services DO fund other people's mental health services. People never requiring a fire to be put out DO fund fire departments.

If the way transportation was funded changed to privatization then my job as an accountant would effectively still be needed.
 
I'm all for being held accountable for crimes but to say that drugs don't eliminate free will is absurd. Now I'm not talking about pot. But do you think a person on PCP or having a bad trip on acid is really in control of themselves. Hell my wife used to do some crazy ____ on Ambien that the next day would have no recollection of it happening.

No. What any drug does is reorganize the structure of your priorities; they don't take away your ability to control your actions---they change the incentives. Hallucinogens change perception, but within it the user still has the responsibility for the actions they choose to take. If suspending their judgement is the choice they make, then that is still a choice, I.e. An act of free will.

Assuming that you're right, and assuming that drugs can take it away, then you have zero basis for holding the inebriated criminal responsible for the things they do under the influence.
 
You're wrong. My job is currently funded through (use tax). The only other way to fund my service is through tolling (privatization) which is effectively the same as a use tax.

Where I come from, use tax is sales tax imposed on out of state purchases. If it's something different there, then I don't know what it is, but if it's the same, then I have yet to stand corrected.

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People not using road services (ie buying gas) don't pay taxes. So those people don't fund my job. You do have a choice to not fund roadways, by riding a bicycle.

So why isn't it private if you earn what you are paid, and are not allocated what you're paid? Why is it publically--involuntarily--financed?

If it is in fact 1:1, and only people who use the roads pay for the roads, then I now stand corrected, and I apologize for insinuating otherwise.

ProgMatinee said:
If the way transportation was funded changed to privatization then my job as an accountant would effectively still be needed.

It would still be needed, and it would likely be paid more too.
 
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Where I come from, use tax is sales tax imposed on out of state purchases. If it's something different there, then I don't know what it is, but if it's the same, then I have yet to stand corrected.



So why isn't it private if you earn what you are paid, and are not allocated what you're paid? Why is it publically--involuntarily--financed?

If it is in fact 1:1, and only people who use the roads pay for the roads, then I now stand corrected, and I apologize for insinuating otherwise.



It would still be needed, and it would likely be paid more too.

Actually, the correct term I should have used is "user fee". Sorry. Taxes are collected on gasoline at the rack from the gas companies and then are passed down to the people at the pump. So effectively only people pumping gas into their vehicle are paying the gas tax. I will concede some states do collect or use their general fund taxes to subsidize the shortages of the fuel tax. In those cases, I would side with you that its not really fair to those not using the service at all, but I think it could be argued that there aren't many tax payers that don't use the services transportation departments offer vs most of the social programs where its the relative few eating up the services.
As a side note, the increase of longer milage vehicles has far surpassed the increase in the fuel tax on the federal and state levels, thats why many states have begun funnelling general fund money into the transportation system, but with the recession that funnelling has basically ended and our state had to eliminate a lot of projects...until the stimulus funding arrived...:lol which yeah is basically a tax on everyone including our grandchildren!!! ...I'm not arguing in support of that behavior mind you. My argument is mostly based on the concept of needing something, be it government or a corporation to accomplish building highways. You or a small group of people in your neighborhood will not be able to create mulimillion dollar roads and bridges with out a larger effort.

Many other government programs that help people on individual levels, such as food stamps, or healthcare can be accomplished through personal accountability or as you suggested, charities. Schools can be funded by individual parents.

But infrastructure projects that cost $100,000,000? This is closer to on par with national defense.

You're right, I probably would be paid more in the private sector. :( I would probably not be all that against privatization. Obviously I like my job for the most part otherwise I would leave, but I wouldn't be against it.
 
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Here its legal to smoke but illegal to sell it :lol

Not the only drug i`ve tryed, but its the only drug i consume, only on weekends, at home, with friends and from my own plants.

Abuse is always bad.
 
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Why? What doesn't make sense about it. Are you saying that people who have smoked pot for many years get the same kind of buzz they used to when they first started from the same amount? That people don't smoke more to get the same buzz? Those kind of people who build a tolerance up, don't you think it's possible that they will try something harder to get the same effect?

no, i've been smoking pot since i was 13 i am now 36 and tolerance doesn't seem to be an issue. now i do not smoke all day every day but i pretty much smoke every night (there are nights that i do not) but again it's not to get ripped.

i have tried harder drugs in my time but honestly it is not because of pot, again i tried alcohol first and then moved on - plus alcohol is so much easier to get when you are young. i just think we really need to be realistic about what the true "gateway" drug is.

honestly if someone wants to get higher because pot is not working for them anymore then thats on them and not the drug for as long as i have smoked at no point have i ever said "man i need me some PCP because pots just not working."


Actually with my body weight I am no where near being illegal drinking 2 beers. I haven't smoked pot in over 20 years now but I guarantee you that if I took 1 toke off a joint I would be messed up.

well of course you would be messed up on one joint, there are a lot of smokers who would be messed up on one joint - again that's a lot of pot. since you haven't smoked in 20 years a couple of hits would do you well but honestly that analogy is neither here nor there since the only way to truely test this would be for you to quit drinking for 20 years and then do both and see what happens.

Ultimately i'm not here to change your mind on this, especially since you have stated that your mind will not be changed on this and it doesn't matter anyways because this is a Clifornia ballot and only us here in califonia are able to vote on this. sure it will become a larger country wide issue eventually but i'll let all the voters in their individual states decide what's best for them.
 
no, i've been smoking pot since i was 13 i am now 36 and tolerance doesn't seem to be an issue. now i do not smoke all day every day but i pretty much smoke every night (there are nights that i do not) but again it's not to get ripped.

i have tried harder drugs in my time but honestly it is not because of pot, again i tried alcohol first and then moved on - plus alcohol is so much easier to get when you are young. i just think we really need to be realistic about what the true "gateway" drug is.

honestly if someone wants to get higher because pot is not working for them anymore then thats on them and not the drug for as long as i have smoked at no point have i ever said "man i need me some PCP because pots just not working."




well of course you would be messed up on one joint, there are a lot of smokers who would be messed up on one joint - again that's a lot of pot. since you haven't smoked in 20 years a couple of hits would do you well but honestly that analogy is neither here nor there since the only way to truely test this would be for you to quit drinking for 20 years and then do both and see what happens.

Ultimately i'm not here to change your mind on this, especially since you have stated that your mind will not be changed on this and it doesn't matter anyways because this is a Clifornia ballot and only us here in califonia are able to vote on this. sure it will become a larger country wide issue eventually but i'll let all the voters in their individual states decide what's best for them.


Now I think I know why it always made me sick and want to puke. I would smoke a few bowls full and already be drunk. LOL! Then I would get the spins horribly. It has been over 10 years since I done that. Maybe I should start up again and do it right. :lol
 
well, there are plenty of people that cannot mix alcohol and pot. i have a number of freinds that will throw up every time. it's just how it works for some.
 
well, there are plenty of people that cannot mix alcohol and pot. i have a number of freinds that will throw up every time. it's just how it works for some.

I think it was more the volume. :lol Damn I miss the days when we would eat a bag of good ole shrooms though. :lol Now that was a good time!
 
that would be a horrible experience if you ask me. there's nothing like taking a drug that makes you paranoid and have fits of anger and then but crammed into the biggest convention in a hot town in the middle of summer

LOL! I did that a few times. I never had any adverse effects other than I didn't shut the hell up. Oh and the teeth grinding and severe hornyness. :lol
 
Any of you guys doing coke for sdcc ? Lmk.

that would be a horrible experience, lets take a drug that makes you paranoid, have fits of anger and then throw you into an overpacked convention in an increadible hot town in the middle of the summer.:lol

I think it was more the volume. :lol Damn I miss the days when we would eat a bag of good ole shrooms though. :lol Now that was a good time!

yeah those are good times, though i would always blend them up in some kind of smoothie type drink cause thos things tasted horrible.
 
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