Legendary Pictures' GODZILLA - !!SPOILERS!!

[jye4ever]

Cranston (what was his characters name again ) could've had a bad *** recurring roll in sequels, Watanabe should've been killed and Cranston took leadership of Monarch.

 

[JAWS]

all the complaints I've heard are geared with that mindset.

Boy oh boy, will you be getting a lecture from JAWS.

Damn! Let me rephrase "all the complaints" to "most complaints" then

LOL!!! I was warming up my fingers after reading that first quote...

What I found extremely funny was that Wantanabe had the exact same expression of dismay throughout the ENTIRE movie

It's one of the reasons I did not understand why everyone one dumped on ATJ but praised Ken W.

 

[JAWS]

Damn, everytime i've decided that I enjoyed Godzilla, jAWS comes along and ****s it all up for me.

Sorry

 

[jye4ever]

Its all good

 

[MaulFan]

So looking at the box office numbers for the weekend, this dropped about 52% from last weekend which isn't great but it could be worse and these days, box office hits quickly drop when another comes the following week that caters to the same crowd. I think ASM2 had a harsher week 1 to 2 drop.

 

[jye4ever]

At the end of the day, remove X-Men and Godzilla would've been first place.

 

[MaulFan]

At the end of the day, remove X-Men and Godzilla would've been first place.

This was expected all along once it was knowing DOFP would come the following weekend, you have have essentially 2 X-Men films in one with the cast assembled, it's just massive and highly anticipated plus it looked like a good movie, it was bound to steal thunder, plus, for some people there was probably room for one movie over the holiday and I'm sure that'd win out.

I don't expect Godzilla to do huge numbers every weekend, but I think a sustained 20-40 million each weekend for a few weeks would be good. It's over $300 million now in worldwide gross and still hasn't even come out in Japan yet. I wonder if when that happens, will the audiences be more bothered by Godzilla's weight, or will they dislike the humans more than Americans.

 

[tylerdurden]

I have no idea what trailers you watched... Never did they seem they were advertising a M bay non stop action fest. They seemed quite the opposite. In fact I would argue that the film ended up being more Transformer like then it was like the trailers that advertised the film.... Since it was giant beings fighting in a city with one fighting for the side of good and the other fighting for the side of.......... Well.... Family. Watch the trailers again and look at the Empire covers and tell me they are advertising the movie we saw.

So were they there just to fulfill a purpose... or were they interesting?? I guess it could be both... But when even you say "The characters were just there to fulfill a purpose" you sort of prove my point.... Perfunctory - "carried out with a minimum of effort or reflection" you definition of these characters.. Not mine... But I do agree 100%.

I should say that I was not attacking you point of view on the film.... I was just stating that those of us who were frustrated with the film were not feeling that way because it was not a balls to the wall action but because it lacked interesting characters (Not for you but for those who did not like it) and that it did not fulfill the promise of what type of movie it was going to be from the trailers and advertising.

we both watched the same trailers, dude. don't get it wrong. i never said the trailers were advertising non-stop action. i was actually talking about the general attitude and expectation of audiences today: having been weaned on countless modern blockbusters where it's all about excess for excess' sake, when they come across a movie about a giant monster they automatically expect it to be all destruction and 'splosions. my point wasn't referring to the people on this board anyway, it was referring to the box office mojo article.

what the trailers and the magazine covers advertised was the general concept of the film, and i say they did a great job of getting us interested without revealing too much. how many times have we all groaned about trailers giving away practically the entire film? yet here the opposite accusation is being hurled at it, that it withheld certain elements (monster-on-monster battles, godzilla being an anti-hero). i actually think it's very commendable that the marketing consciously tried to preserve some surprises for the audience. and frankly, those things were not even a surprise at all for most film buffs since it was revealed early on that there'd be other monsters in it. yes, godzilla may have "misleadingly" been presented as the bad guy, but to me it wasn't wrong because he did initially cause a fair bit of death and destruction to human civilization: the tidal wave, smashed buildings, etc. and that's stuff we WERE shown in the trailers, so it's not dishonest advertising.

btw, "perfunctory" also means something that "works". that's the human characterization for me: it worked, it did its job just fine. it's true the characters could've been better fleshed out but they did keep me engaged. there are far weaker characters in many of the blockbusters out there. you can spin the definition of perfunctory your way and it's just as valid, but i know what it meant in my context.

 

[MaulFan]

You do have to give it to the marketing team, they built a very successful campaign that drummed up a lot of interest with barely anything substantial in the materials. This movie sold on the look of Godzilla and the storytelling style of Edwards, which is all you really got through ads, there really is no indication of the plot, most of the dialogue is just basically building up the idea of monsters that could reduce the civilized world to rubble and whether they could be killed or not, they really never hit on any of the plot or anything beyond the plant meltdown and a general allusion to conspiracy.

 

[Shadow5]

btw, "perfunctory" also means something that "works". that's the human characterization for me: it worked, it did its job just fine. it's true the characters could've been better fleshed out but they did keep me engaged. there are far weaker characters in many of the blockbusters out there.

I couldn't agree more with this statement.

 

[TURINS~BANE]

As soon as Cranston died, I just didn't care about the rest of the character's I actually wanted them to die.

 

[MaulFan]

I kind of wonder, was Cranston a bad casting choice. Not to say the other humans wouldn't still be boring to people, but with Cranston's current cult status and being in a cult film, were people just so excited for more Cranston that the second he was taken out, there was no keeping their interest. Would people still say Joe shouldn't have died if it had been a great performance from an actor with less of a following?

I've watched some of Breaking Bad just to get a feel for his range since the only role I really know him for is Whatley on Seinfeld, but I have no attachment to him as an actor.

 

[jye4ever]

This was expected all along once it was knowing DOFP would come the following weekend, you have have essentially 2 X-Men films in one with the cast assembled, it's just massive and highly anticipated plus it looked like a good movie, it was bound to steal thunder, plus, for some people there was probably room for one movie over the holiday and I'm sure that'd win out.

I don't expect Godzilla to do huge numbers every weekend, but I think a sustained 20-40 million each weekend for a few weeks would be good. It's over $300 million now in worldwide gross and still hasn't even come out in Japan yet. I wonder if when that happens, will the audiences be more bothered by Godzilla's weight, or will they dislike the humans more than Americans.

Frozen is # 1 in Japan for 13 to 15 weeks in a row!

Set a record there.



Godzilla will probably flop there.

 

[JAWS]

I kind of wonder, was Cranston a bad casting choice. Not to say the other humans wouldn't still be boring to people, but with Cranston's current cult status and being in a cult film, were people just so excited for more Cranston that the second he was taken out, there was no keeping their interest. Would people still say Joe shouldn't have died if it had been a great performance from an actor with less of a following?

I've watched some of Breaking Bad just to get a feel for his range since the only role I really know him for is Whatley on Seinfeld, but I have no attachment to him as an actor.

For me personally, I just liked him because he was the only one with any emotions. He was also given the best lines.

 

[JAWS]

we both watched the same trailers, dude. don't get it wrong. i never said the trailers were advertising non-stop action. i was actually talking about the general attitude and expectation of audiences today: having been weaned on countless modern blockbusters where it's all about excess for excess' sake, when they come across a movie about a giant monster they automatically expect it to be all destruction and 'splosions. my point wasn't referring to the people on this board anyway, it was referring to the box office mojo article.

Box Office Mojo stated that " unfortunately, the movie they saw wasn't exactly what was advertised. Combine that weak word-of-mouth. Now the weak word of mouth I am sure have been from those who did not get Pacific Rim or Transformers style non stop action.... But bad word of mouth also came from people like myself who felt the film was nothing like the Epic they were advertising. You know... The one staring Bryan C.. With ATJ in a bit role.. Dealing with an unstopable Godzilla who was going to "Send us back to the Stone Age"

Without Question in my mind that is what Box office Mojo was talking about when they said "the movie they saw wasnt exactly what was advertised"

what the trailers and the magazine covers advertised was the general concept of the film

If that concept was that the film was called Godzilla and that Godzilla was in it then yes... But they advertised a very dark film with a Godzilla on the rampage and the Military going against him story. Even when we found out about other monsters they still had Godzilla appear as a huge problem. And Edwards apparently ran around saying that exact thing.

and i say they did a great job of getting us interested without revealing too much. how many times have we all groaned about trailers giving away practically the entire film? yet here the opposite accusation is being hurled at it, that it withheld certain elements (monster-on-monster battles, godzilla being an anti-hero). i actually think it's very commendable that the marketing consciously tried to preserve some surprises for the audience. and frankly, those things were not even a surprise at all for most film buffs since it was revealed early on that there'd be other monsters in it. yes, godzilla may have "misleadingly" been presented as the bad guy,

I give great credit to the trailers for not showing us anything... But they mislead us into thinking it was a very different film in tone and story IMO.

but to me it wasn't wrong because he did initially cause a fair bit of death and destruction to human civilization: the tidal wave, smashed buildings, etc. and that's stuff we WERE shown in the trailers, so it's not dishonest advertising.

But since they actually showed Alternate CGI shots of "Just" Godzilla they again tried to sell us a film were godzilla was a major problem. The Tidal Wave was great but that still had more impact in the trailer when w thought Godzilla was "Bad". As far as I can tell the tidal wave and the one Smashed building was the only real Human casualties Godzilla caused. Since San Fran evacuated. And that was all caused by the fact he was showing up to save the day and that he was just to big... It could not be helped. So by showing those two scenes it is still false advertising because you expect to see more of it and for it to be done by an Angry Godzilla "who is apparently here to punish man for his sins" and not a Godzilla who is basically saying "excuse me...Sorry"

He also cause some human death by going through the GG bridge... But I blame the military there. I mean he did go under a boat instead of through it.. He was very delicate with the bridge when he held onto it.. It was the military weapons that pushed him through the bridge...

btw, "perfunctory" also means something that "works". that's the human characterization for me: it worked, it did its job just fine. it's true the characters could've been better fleshed out but they did keep me engaged. there are far weaker characters in many of the blockbusters out there. you can spin the definition of perfunctory your way and it's just as valid, but i know what it meant in my context

tylerdurden in all honesty I an glad you loved it... There are many of us who flet mislead. You did not and came out happy. I am going again tonight with much diffeent expectations, so I am hoping to feel more like you do.

I am a tad worried about the studios rethinking their OK to do Sequels due to the fact that G had a big drop off and will people want to see another flick done in this Edwards style...

I still hope they move foward with it.

 

[krec9]

As soon as Cranston died, I just didn't care about the rest of the character's I actually wanted them to die.

Exactly the characters were terrible.

 

[jye4ever]

Box Office Mojo stated that " unfortunately, the movie they saw wasn't exactly what was advertised. Combine that weak word-of-mouth. Now the weak word of mouth I am sure have been from those who did not get Pacific Rim or Transformers style non stop action.... But bad word of mouth also came from people like myself who felt the film was nothing like the Epic they were advertising. You know... The one staring Bryan C.. With ATJ in a bit role.. Dealing with an unstopable Godzilla who was going to "Send us back to the Stone Age"

Without Question in my mind that is what Box office Mojo was talking about when they said "the movie they saw wasnt exactly what was advertised"



If that concept was that the film was called Godzilla and that Godzilla was in it then yes... But they advertised a very dark film with a Godzilla on the rampage and the Military going against him story. Even when we found out about other monsters they still had Godzilla appear as a huge problem. And Edwards apparently ran around saying that exact thing.




I give great credit to the trailers for not showing us anything... But they mislead us into thinking it was a very different film in tone and story IMO.



But since they actually showed Alternate CGI shots of "Just" Godzilla they again tried to sell us a film were godzilla was a major problem. The Tidal Wave was great but that still had more impact in the trailer when w thought Godzilla was "Bad". As far as I can tell the tidal wave and the one Smashed building was the only real Human casualties Godzilla caused. Since San Fran evacuated. And that was all caused by the fact he was showing up to save the day and that he was just to big... It could not be helped. So by showing those two scenes it is still false advertising because you expect to see more of it and for it to be done by an Angry Godzilla "who is apparently here to punish man for his sins" and not a Godzilla who is basically saying "excuse me...Sorry"

He also cause some human death by going through the GG bridge... But I blame the military there. I mean he did go under a boat instead of through it.. He was very delicate with the bridge when he held onto it.. It was the military weapons that pushed him through the bridge...




tylerdurden in all honesty I an glad you loved it... There are many of us who flet mislead. You did not and came out happy. I am going again tonight with much diffeent expectations, so I am hoping to feel more like you do.

I am a tad worried about the studios rethinking their OK to do Sequels due to the fact that G had a big drop off and will people want to see another flick done in this Edwards style...

I still hope they move foward with it.

Yup, you are correct Jaws.

Box office mojo utilizes Cinema Score for projecting consumer confidence and they specifically correlated the false advertising to the B cinemascore.

Believe it or not, a B Cinemascore sounds good but for the investors, distributors and exhibitors it is viewed as a negative thing.

Its either an A or GTFO!

 

[MaulFan]

I wonder if the marketing group felt like they had to push the evil side of Godzilla to make a distinction from the campy Toho films and Godzilla '98, did they think if they played up Godzilla as a hero, would people not take it seriously?

 

[Rotfish]

Cranston (what was his characters name again ) could've had a bad *** recurring roll in sequels, Watanabe should've been killed and Cranston took leadership of Monarch.

**** me, that's actually a great idea. Cranston served way more of a purpose than Watanabe did. They should've had them interact for a bit, then pass the reins over after Watanabe's death.

 

[jye4ever]

**** me, that's actually a great idea. Cranston served way more of a purpose than Watanabe did. They should've had them interact for a bit, then pass the reins over after Watanabe's death.

You know, I have experience, I was co-writer on Cannibal Campout, Where Saturdays Campers Become Sundays Lunch.