Logan (New Wolverine movie March 3rd 2017)

[Khev]

His bone claws make sense. So without them he'd just be a mutant with a healing factor. He wouldn't be unique at all.

Can't argue with that logic. If Wolverine didn't have bone claws I know I can't imagine any other kind of claws that he might use instead...

On another note I'm sick of there being nothing unique about Captain America. Someone please give him a bone shield to rectify the problem.

 

[Khev]

Yeah, I guess you make a good point......










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[jye4ever]

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[EVILFACE]

Bone shield? Naw, Cap is going to get a very hairy back and like it.

 

[SNIKT1950]

I see where you're coming from. Many sequels create little continuity gaffes with dialogue from previous films. Temple of Doom being a prequel to Raiders kind of messes up Indy's line about not believing in superstition when packing his gun before heading off after the ark. It happens because as has already been said, they're movies and writers often have evolving mindsets on where sn overall series stands from film to film.

Quite frankly, I never understood why they had to make Temple of Doom a prequel.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Quite frankly, I never understood why they had to make Temple of Doom a prequel.

Because...

...it's all part of the plan.

 

[SNIKT1950]

My biggest beef with Temple of Doom is that it gave us the dreaded PG-13 rating which after a mere 13 years completely crippled the action genre.

2017 is actually the first year in a long time when we're finally getting alot of studio pictures with a warranted 'R' rating again.

 

[Khev]

Where are you getting "13 years" from? 13 years after TOD was 1997 where we were still getting gory sci-fi like Starship Troopers, Event Horizon and Alien Resurrection and high octane R-rated action like Con Air and the brilliant Face/Off.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

My biggest beef with Temple of Doom is that it gave us the dreaded PG-13 rating which after a mere 13 years completely crippled the action genre.

2017 is actually the first year in a long time when we're finally getting alot of studio pictures with a warranted 'R' rating again.

Your timeline is wrong again

 

[EVILFACE]

Your timeline is wrong again

Damn you Bryan Singer!!

 

[Khev]

Timeline A: TOD was released in 1984, many R-rated films followed.

Timeline B: Uma Thurman fights the Crazy 88 with a bone sword in 2003, TOD is released the following year.

 

[pturtle]

Damn you Bryan Singer!!

 

[jye4ever]

Damn you Bryan Singer!!

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[SNIKT1950]

Where are you getting "13 years" from? 13 years after TOD was 1997 where we were still getting gory sci-fi like Starship Troopers, Event Horizon and Alien Resurrection and high octane R-rated action like Con Air and the brilliant Face/Off.

'97 was the first year where various studio heads began to implement the "Let's think about the kids" mindset to films that were clearly not for the kids.

What it did was handicap filmmakers in that they couldn't get appropriate budgets for their R-rated features. It became a game where in order to get their budgets approved they'd have to soften up the films to hit that PG-13 rating.

Besson talks about it extensively with The Fifth Element in that he only agreed to Columbia's PG-13 stipulation because he knew there wasn't that much mature content to remove and if removed wouldn't affect the film. In the end he fought them over almost everything and somehow got away with the Chris Tucker oral sex scene and one single shot of Jovovich nude after being "born". The entire scene of her escaping the lab was written with her naked. The white bandages were added to hit PG-13.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

The white bandages were added to hit PG-13.

How ironic, that what was added as a compromise to get a PG 13 rating ended up becoming an iconic image and better than the original idea

 

[Khev]

'97 was the first year where various studio heads began to implement the "Let's think about the kids" mindset to films that were clearly not for the kids.

No. Thunderdome did that all the way back in 1985. Just because Columbia wanted The Fifth Element to be more Star Wars than Blade Runner doesn't mean that that's how it was across the board. As I already said there were THREE bid budget R-rated sci-fi films that very same year. Then of course the Matrix films which were as mainstream as it gets in addition to lesser junk like Virus, Supernova, Pitch Black, etc.

R-rated sci-fi was getting greenlit, the problem was just that most were terrible and therefore bombing at the same time fantasy novel adaptations and comic book films were on the rise, hence the pendulum shift.

 

[SNIKT1950]

How ironic, that what was added as a compromise to get a PG 13 rating ended up becoming an iconic image and better than the original idea

Besson's a master.

Can't wait for Valerian.

 

[SNIKT1950]

No. Thunderdome did that all the way back in 1985. Just because Columbia wanted The Fifth Element to be more Star Wars than Blade Runner doesn't mean that that's how it was across the board. As I already said there were THREE bid budget R-rated sci-fi films that very same year. Then of course the Matrix films which were as mainstream as it gets in addition to lesser junk like Virus, Supernova, Pitch Black, etc.

R-rated sci-fi was getting greenlit, the problem was just that most were terrible and therefore bombing at the same time fantasy novel adaptations and comic book films were on the rise, hence the pendulum shift.

The Fifth Element is just one example. There are dozens more, most notably Armageddon. On the Criterion release, Bay talks about how the first thing that was asked of him by the studio in order to get the green light was that he would reduce the mature content to achieve PG-13. It was either that or no film. He budged and removed all the crude dialogue and humor - which were the things that mainly made the screenplay 'R'.

In the 80s, Armageddon would have been an 'R' picture and a much better one at that.

 

[Khev]

Disaster movies of previous decades were never R. The fact is there were more big budget R-rated films in the 90's *after* the institution of the PG-13 rating than before. And then compare films like Braveheart and Saving Private Ryan to historical war epics of previous decades. TOD and Gremlins certainly didn't lead to a trend of sanitized action and war pictures. Quite the opposite occurred.

The only reason traditional action fell a bit to the wayside was because audiences were being drawn to different genres.

Plus there was Titanic which started the trend of multiple studios ponying up $100 million each on joint projects with utterly massive budgets. The birth of $200+ million productions is what led certain films to try and to cater to all demographics, not the existence of a new rating.

If there was no PG-13 rating then The Fifth Element and Armageddon would have simply been PG.

 

[SNIKT1950]

After watching the trailer at least 50 times, I gotta say I'm very pleased with the little we've seen of Boyd Holbrook as Donald Pierce.

I'm confident that after seeing him battle LOGAN, people will warm up to him facing The Predator in 2018.